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Name: Jorge Consiglieri (might also go by Steven)
Screen name on FTP: zero2lose
Screen name on Stars: zero2lose
Screen name on True Poker: cookiecrums (also is linked to an old account "macarino")
2+2 Name: LazyD http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/48350/

I staked him to play NL100 and NL200 on the site True Poker starting 5/5/2012. 3 days into the stake I found out that his results being sent to us were completely fabricated and he had tried to w/d $700 of the stake's money (he was down $ the entire time).

I confronted him with the information and he admitted to it all. We agreed he would pay us back $1,200 (half of the losses) in 4 payments every 2 weeks starting June 8th. The first payment was missed and I'm posting this accordingly. I've already informed him that if he misses the 2nd payment that I will be creating a site similar to www.nickraineyisathief.com.

In Jorge's defense, he's been forthcoming ever since we confronted him and I actually spoke to him today in regards to missing the first payment. He informed me that he does not have the money at the moment but has not forgot about his debt to us and that he's working hard to get it repaid (he got a job).

I have all of our contracts, email and text message conversations, his address, birthdate, emails and cell phone number saved if anyone needs access to them.

-Shane

HEY! I'm zero2lose on FTP (but not on stars), LazyD also on two plus two. I know nothing. Whatever this is about doesn't involve me. And please stop calling me Jorge. Noone has ever contacted me about this nor do I have an account on Truepoker Fools. And noone's been staking me AFAIK! And If so they have a lot of splainin' to do!

the REAL zero2lose

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edit(RW)

July 24 post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by imawhale26

This has taken a pretty crazy turn of events but I was contacted by the real Jorge Consiglieri two days ago. Jorge had been on an international trip to Europe visiting family. Jorge and Charles Sims (also posted a negative feedback post about him) are roommates. They have a third roommate by the name of Rhett Seiver. The 3rd roommate while they were out of the country essentially assumed their identities. There are a lot of illegal things he did that I won't comment on because I was not involved but this Rhett guy applied for a stake under both Jorge and Charles' names. I detailed what happened during the stake in my negative feedback posts.

I've spoken to the real Jorge for hours on skype now. I have the conversations saved for anyone that has question about his character. It's in my opinion that the skype conversations in addition to him showing me his flight itinerary for the Europe trip through teamviewer in his email are proof that he nor Charles were involved in the scams at all.

Also wanted to add that the 2+2 account LazyD does not seem to be Jorge's 2+2 account.

It's a really unfortunate situation for everyone involved. We will be working together to do everything we can to make sure Rhett Seiver pays for what was done here.

I added a REFUTED line under your 2+2 account name in the original post quoted above.

Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 08-23-2012 at 12:11 PM.

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08-23-2012 , 08:36 PM

#1827

thegreatone87

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 246

Hey guys,
Unfortunately, after starting a stable around 6 weeks ago a couple of the players have essentially stolen the money we sent them for backing.

#1
We took on Andre Wallner/ unrealnezz (stars)/ swarley swarls (2 p 2) on the 4th of July and he played very few games over the first couple of weeks and has now cut off all contact and stopped playing...

stakeroller scammer - Andre Wallner
swarleyswarls - 2+2
unrealnezz - Pokerstars

Sept 1 UPDATE

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatone87

Update: Andre came online on the 31st August and explained that the reason for the non-communication was through internet problems which his new flat. We agreed to end the stake and he shipped back everything in his account (the stake plus $15) today (sept 1st)

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#2
The second guy is Alex Batrin/ senceless (PS)/ dekadence (2 p 2), who has been playing the games we agreed but has cut off all contact since July 18th. It has got to the point now where it looks like they are unlikely to get back in contact/ return our money and so I feel the need to publicaly out them as scammers on 2 plus 2 so no-one else makes the mistake of staking them. If either of them do get in touch, subsequent to this, I will update the thread.

stakeroller scammer - Alex Batrin
dekadence - 2+2
senceless - Pokerstars

mod edit (rw)
There is info linking dekadence to 2009 stakeroller daos with a different name given:
valericamate @ FullTiltPoker
valericamate- AIM
deka.dence@yahoo.com
daos - 2+2
Name : Lupu Alexandru
Address: Nufarului 11 D 12 , City of Bacau , Romania

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Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 09-01-2012 at 02:06 PM. Reason: info and links added

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08-23-2012 , 09:22 PM

#1828

the999thnick

self-banned

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 50

Sorry to hear your luck. Why the hell does so many poker players feel the need to be shady? We are a growing sport, yeah I said sport, that doesnt need this crap. Just imbecile's thinking they are living the good life thanks to x person. Karma catches us all though. Hope you find a resolve for this.

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08-23-2012 , 09:25 PM

#1829

pokermaniac12

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 202

Sorry to hear about that.

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08-23-2012 , 09:31 PM

#1830

Saywatagain!

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 212

Quote:

Originally Posted by the999thnick

Sorry to hear your luck. Why the hell does so many poker players feel the need to be shady?

The funny thing about poker is that generally you can hand a huge amount of money to a person you've never met or never will meet, and not think twice about it.
Most non poker players would see this as madness,(which in a sense, it is) but if you look at the overall scheme of things it's only a veeeeery small % of players who roll on stakes, which is supprising given the nature of how these transactions take place.

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08-23-2012 , 11:31 PM

#1831

the999thnick

self-banned

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saywatagain!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...forums-549322/

You'll have better luck posting in this thread, most stables will search this thread to see if any potential horses have scammed in the past, posting here will give you the best chance to inform people of what happened.

The funny thing about poker is that generally you can hand a huge amount of money to a person you've never met or never will meet, and not think twice about it.
Most non poker players would see this as madness,(which in a sense, it is) but if you look at the overall scheme of things it's only a veeeeery small % of players who roll on stakes, which is supprising given the nature of how these transactions take place.

Very true. I am very happy to have found this community. Its amazing what some of the best in the game can do for everyone. It's just a shame so many have to try and take advantage.

You make a good point on the small percentage of players that do actually roll on stakes. Still, not sure how someone can concieve it being a good idea. You obviously needed a hand. You find someone to help you so in reward you rip em off?!?! I don't know, in my world, when people help me out. I go out of my way to thank and show them appreciation. It's nice to see that this holds true for most 2p2ers here. Probably why so many winners are in the area.

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08-24-2012 , 01:53 PM

#1832

WEC

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,473

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatone87

Hey guys,
Unfortunately, after starting a stable around 6 weeks ago a couple of the players have essentially stolen the money we sent them for backing.

#1
We took on Andre Wallner/ unrealnezz (stars)/ swarley swarls (2 p 2) on the 4th of July and he played very few games over the first couple of weeks and has now cut off all contact and stopped playing...

stakeroller scammer - Andre Wallner
swarleyswarls - 2+2
unrealnezZ - Pokerstars

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#2
The second guy is Alex Batrin/ senceless (PS)/ dekadence (2 p 2), who has been playing the games we agreed but has cut off all contact since July 18th. It has got to the point now where it looks like they are unlikely to get back in contact/ return our money and so I feel the need to publicaly out them as scammers on 2 plus 2 so no-one else makes the mistake of staking them. If either of them do get in touch, subsequent to this, I will update the thread.

stakeroller scammer - Alex Batrin
dekadence - 2+2
senceless - Pokerstars

mod edit (rw)
There is info linking dekadence to 2009 stakeroller daos with a different name given:
valericamate @ FullTiltPoker
valericamate- AIM
deka.dence@yahoo.com
daos - 2+2
Name : Lupu Alexandru
Address: Nufarului 11 D 12 , City of Bacau , Romania

.

It sucks that people come on and steak from stakers. That said, you must do all you can to protect yourself and look for clues that may save you trouble in the future.

Both of these rollers present evidence that in the future should raise red flags for you when considering sending your money to a player.

swarleyswarls
This guy joins Jan 10, 2010 to make three posts saying someone is a scammer. 5 months later he makes the rest of his 34 posts all asking for staking with zero other posts in 2+2 community. In one of his 34 staking request posts, a mod infracts him for posting a poker site screen name that does not exist. In his first three posts, he states he uses the name swarleyswarls in german poker forum communities but a google search reveals nothing.

dekadence
Search on 2+2 for senceless (his PS name) shows this player chopped a tournament for $50 with another player and never sent the $50. If he is stealing $50 in this manner, you have a good chance he is stealing from you if you send money.

For your own protection, It is important you do google searches, and 2+2 searches on all horses. If you notice no history on the web, that is a flag in itself.

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08-27-2012 , 12:51 PM

#1833

TMPLR

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 28

I've come to report Lee William Donoghue (Wales, UK).

IPlayHUSNG86 (Ongame)
IPlayHUSNGs (Ongame)
Towel Lee 86 (Pokerstars)
IplayHUSNG (IPoker)
ImmortalTechnique (IPoker)
IPlayHUSNG (FTP)

I can confirm his Stars account, the rest of it is probably his, but can't confirm.

He started well in my stakingdeal (30s Hyperturbo), lots of volume and always online. When the makeup was building up he went offline, after a few days I contacted him and he said he moved out and had no internet. I believed him and I waited for him to get internet, which took a few weeks. Then he came online and I gave him some funds to grind again (30 buyins). At this time he blocked all his sharkscope etc and became irresponsive. Last time I looked at sharkscope he came in 9th or so in the Bigger50.
Last thing I've heard from him was 3rd of July:

Quote:

Hey man Im back home. My GF said she had msged you and explained the whole situation which is most of the reason Iv'e been going off my head other than running terribly. Let me know what you want me to do, im open to arranging a deal to sort this out whether thats grinding for you or someone else, you have been very good to me and understanding of my situation, im sorry for not telling you sooner but its pretty ****ed up im sure you will agree. If you can think of a deal and how you want me to sort this out I can start today. Any problems feel free to msg me back here as its the only form of comms I have atm.

Very sorry m8
Lee

This was almost a month ago. His problems are probably legit, but I've done all I can for him (probably for too long as well).

His debt at this moment is $2,800.

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08-27-2012 , 01:48 PM

#1834

Rainbow Warrior

flight risk

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,815

Scarer - 2+2 stakeroller/scammer
Scarer - PokerStars
colquhan@hotmail.com - email used to make Lock payment
David Kilpatrick
Glasgow, Scotland

2+2 on-line staking original thread

from the stake online OP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarer

Hi guys,
I'm selling up to 65% of the following WSOP package at a markup of 1.25
A Little About Me

My name's David Kilpatrick and I'm a 32 year old guy from Glasgow, Scotland, and I've been playing poker for over six years. Prior to becoming a poker pro three years ago I was in the British Royal Air Force for twelve happy years, however, I like money, the grind beckoned and I answered.

Twice he posted that he turned down an offer by a friend/acquaintance to make payments for him.

60 days of stalling and lying about his travel and payback intentions.
Lied about his PokerStars account being locked.

Amounts Owed

Theding87 - 3,156.50
Schundler - 872.74
TimeStone - 872.74
Scusi - 1090.92
Xdanielx - 398.87
Pvt Investor (Ritchie) - 872.74
Wd1head - 872.74
Taikogod - 872.74
Almito - 218.18
Tamas6 - 398.87
Beastjr - 872.74 **paid
Sergisergi - 872.74
Pvt Investor (Del) - 398.87
Chase poker - 218.18
Pvt Investor (Martin) - 654.55
Pvt Investor (Dean) - 654.55
The Sasquatch - 436.37
Bminty - 700
BackingDonk - 350
Luckyernio7 - 350
Pvt Investor (Ryan) - 1,497.48
3l3ftf33t - 1,949.35

**one person paid ($872.74) Aug 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by beastjr

I received payment today via Lock $ which is how I paid David originally.

Scarer's last 2+2 log in - Aug 22

PM received - Aug 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarer

I've already paid 3 people back.

It's going to be days not weeks when everyone is paid back.

Bare with me.

No one else has acknowledged being paid

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08-27-2012 , 06:49 PM

#1835

imawhale26

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,714

Quote:

Originally Posted by imawhale26

Name: Alex Carvajal
SN on FTP: Iwantdablunt
SN on Stars: Zziploc
SN on BCP: oldgin
SN on True Poker: Horchata
SN on RPM: HairyBerry
Sn on Old Lock: OldManGin
Sn on Cake/Lock: HairyBerry

2+2 Name: GolfMasta

PTP Ban here: http://forum.parttimepoker.com/appea...stigation.html

I staked him to play midstakes MTT's on Blackchip and True Poker starting 4/28.

-May 1st Alex attempted to w/d $900 from True Poker. At this point into the stake he was 24 hours in and were nowhere near time to profit split in our stake.
-May 1st he transferred $50 to the player "xtortionit" on BCP. This is a friend of his and he had no business transferring him $.
-Between the dates of April 30th and May 1st he lost a combined $640 in the Blackchip casino playing casino games. At that point he self restricted himself from playing casino games.
-Since May 2nd his account on Blackchip has essentially been inactive. His spreadsheet on the other hand displays approximately 135 tournaments that were played. This of course was all completely fake.
-May 14th he attempted to withdraw $500 from True Poker but later called in to cancel the withdraw request. Again, he had no profits to w/d at this time.
-Since his True Poker account has been in existence he lost $928 playing PLO on the site. His stake was strictly for MTTs only. When I confronted him about playing PLO cash games on the site he explained that he had deposited the money himself and it wouldn't happen again. We confirmed that a deposit to this account was never made. He was losing our $ on the stake and again lying to us about it.
-He lost $315 on Bovada as well which he had lied to us and told us his account was at $1,400. It's unknown how exactly he lost the $ on Bovada.

In total $1,933 was stolen from me. We came up with a payment plan of $483 every 2 weeks starting on June 15th.

He has missed the first payment and I'm posting this accordingly. Going along w/ the terms of his repayment plan I will be creating a website similar to www.nickraineyisathief.com if he misses the next payment due on June 30th, 2012.

The amount of lying and forgery that went into this scam of Alex's is like nothing I've ever seen before. Even his apologies after the fact were filled with excuses and half-hearted at best. It's in my opinion that Alex has a severe gambling problem that he can not control. I would stay very far away of doing any sort of business with him.

I have all of our contracts, emails, his cell phone number, skype ID, facebook profile, and a link to his dad's company. I've also reached out to his dad to alert him of the situation since they share the same name.

-Shane

Just posting an update here. Alex promised numerous payments and those fell through on a weekly basis. I've gone through with my promised plan of posting on here and creating a website about him. Alex Carvajal is a thief and scammer.

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08-28-2012 , 02:47 PM

#1836

bbbbb33

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,682

Quote:

Originally Posted by paptec

Name: James Gilbert
PS name: In2nettt
2P2 name: In2nettt

James was in MU of $200 and dissappeared for over two months. He hit me up on skype last week and I told him I wanted the $200 payed back. He asked me to stake him again and after dissappearing like he did I decided he wasnt trustworthy.

After that chat i had with him, I see he created an account and on 2p2 and is looking for a stake. He also deleted me off skype so stake at your own risk.

Just for clarification sake...

NOT to be confused with the real Jim Gilbert (legal name James obv), who is reelhugefish on stars. Jim is going to be my roommate in Costa Rica and would never steal 200 dollars (although he did hussle me in beer pong for that exact sum like 2 weeks ago). DO NOT PROPBET HIM IN BEER PONG.

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08-29-2012 , 11:49 AM

#1837

Spraggy

Just Plain Nasty

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,095

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbow Warrior

DO NOT STAKE
Halengoil - PokerStars
Linderberg954 - PokerStars
sooooo - PokerStars
Smuve - PokerStars
smuve - Full Tilt
djwhiteanaconda - Full Tilt
medlingmage - Full Tilt
medlingmage - Party
greatitan - Titan
smuve, smuve24 - Cake

AIM: pichilin69@hotmail.com
e-mails:
linderberg954@gmail.com
mariadoluso@gmail.com

2+2 accounts
pressenter
icantseeaces
bartzinger
nandinho
vpimenta25 banned AUG 1, 2011 after making 3 staking applications

PM me with more to add.
Credit to markusgc for tenacious note taking.

Bit of an old bump but this guy has recently contacted me for a stake. Used the Skype username undergooga. Emailed me from linderberg954@gmail.com. Listed his new 2p2 screen name as ursodomato found here.

He gave his full name as joao david verissimo martins.

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08-29-2012 , 03:30 PM

#1838

WEC

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,473

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spraggy

Add:
Skype - crunchyman25
Everest Poker - beruxa

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=798

Last edited by WEC; 08-29-2012 at 03:38 PM.

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08-30-2012 , 06:10 PM

#1839

kzk

adept

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 822

i already been scammed by this guy. I won a case against him on the court at portugal
if anyone want his full adress, documents or anything just let me know.

is it ok if i post here mods?

plz pm me if i forgot this topic too.

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08-31-2012 , 05:52 AM

#1840

Rainbow Warrior

flight risk

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,815

Quote:

Originally Posted by losched16

Hey everyone, this is more of a preventative post about a player who seems to be a serial scammer. Needless to say, he is not the smartest fella either. At first, he applied for a stake through my site. He listed a screen name from Microgaming (I will post all name and player details below). The name he provided (icall8hi) has some solid 6max SNG stats on Microgaming, but was looking for a stake on PokerStars where, according to him, he has never played before. Then about 2 days later, I received another staking app through my site from the same country, but different name, email, and this time listing a screen name from Ongame (WorkFoBeer). Again, solid SNG stats but was looking to play on Stars all of a sudden. Well, this genius I guess didn't realize that the staking app he submitted also provides me with an IP address. Of course the IP address of both apps were exactly the same.

Furthering my detective work, I decided to investigate further just to be sure, and mess around with him a bit. It is standard procedure anyway to ask for screen shots of his cashier and to receive hand histories to confirm identity. He didn't have any HHs but sent me a beauty of a screen shot. It was the picture of his screen where it looks like he was about to create a new account where he listed the screen name as icall8hi, but of course didn't hit the submit button. When I asked that he share his screen with me so I can see him sign in and sit at a table, he suddenly became very exhausted as it was past his bedtime. So, it seems like this guy was stealing the poker identities of solid, winning players to apply for stakes in the hopes someone ships to him on PokerStars. Here is the info that he used to apply:

Application 1:
Name: Vaidas Šmoilovas
Email: zoomyou@inbox.lt
Skype ID: lopas.lopinskas
List all usernames/sites: Icall8hi at microgaming
Game Type: all sng
Buy-in Level: 10 dol
Games per Week: 2k
Why do you need a stake?: Forced to cashout all my BR on microgaming, looking for stake on other networks, for ex. pokerstars
References: Sadly, but none
Country: Lithuania
How did you hear about us?: Google
IP: 89.190.110.100

Application 2:
Name: Antanas Ugianskis
Email: centrasx@gmail.com
Skype ID: inlughshg
List all usernames/sites: WorkFoBeer at ongame
Game Type: 2 to 3 tables sng
Buy-in Level: 3dol to 10 dol
Games per Week: 400+
Why do you need a stake?: I want to move up in a limits, but it's increadibly hard to do in ongame network, so I want to move to Stars.
References: None
Country: Lithuania
How did you hear about us?: I don't really remember, but I know your site for some time
IP: 89.190.110.100

I mean, come on...change computers, countries, even how you list the buy in amounts (ie. 3 dol)

Clint

He just opened (and I closed) 2 new 2+2 accounts.

mcmulla - 2 staking applications

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcmulla

e-mail sent
mcmulla @ ongame

Ongame - mcmulla - a solid winner, not likely his account

IsDisCheez - 6 staking apps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsDisCheez

email sent
Stars IsDisCheez?

Pokerstars - IsDisCheez - no recorded tournament play
("Recipient is not eligible to receive a Real Money Transfer.")

Thanks to WEC for this lead.

Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 08-31-2012 at 06:06 AM.

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08-31-2012 , 09:39 AM

#1841

Manhat10ite

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 683

Just too follow up the above, I sent the below to Joeker on PTP 2 days ago. I also doubt the user ID on Ongame is his, and he used HORSEFACER on IPN. I staked him as Iknowurleaks as Stars. I didn't post it here since my staking arrangement didn't end well, I assumed he was just trying to scam us and didn't want him to know we were onto him. Ban this IP 89.190.123.42 also if you haven't already, I made an earlier post in 2p2 about Iknowurleaks a couple of months ago. I have 6 different email addresses he has used, the last one was varunklis@mail.com. centrasx@gmail.com is the initial email address he used with me so probably his prime one. I am sure he will be back under a different name.

On FTP he is over777 probably real and as soon as they open up he will probably apply for stakes with it. On RPM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manhat10ite

I would post this in RA, but really don't want to alert him to it since it might make him more covert about trying to scam us. His principle id was iknowurleaks which has IG, the top IP listed isn't there.

http://forum.parttimepoker.com/repor...stigation.html

This guy has scammed us 3 times now and reapplied numerous times under different accounts with different user IDs. In our defense one time was a chick and we don't get many of them applying. He has no clue the IP addresses always match, obviously we didn't either at first.

89.190.110.100 3 times

Stars names

CTDhorse
IsDisCheez?
Kudirka500

FTP

koplikalur

IP 89.190.123.42

iknowurleaks
Amberjill

FTP
over777 (iknowurleaks)
MongoloidMike

RPM

damngood1 (iknowurleaks)

Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 08-31-2012 at 02:04 PM. Reason: earlier post link added

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09-01-2012 , 01:57 PM

#1842

thegreatone87

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegreatone87

Hey guys,
Unfortunately, after starting a stable around 6 weeks ago a couple of the players have essentially stolen the money we sent them for backing.

#1
We took on Andre Wallner/ unrealnezz (stars)/ swarley swarls (2 p 2) on the 4th of July and he played very few games over the first couple of weeks and has now cut off all contact and stopped playing...

stakeroller scammer - Andre Wallner
swarleyswarls - 2+2
unrealnezz - Pokerstars

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#2
The second guy is Alex Batrin/ senceless (PS)/ dekadence (2 p 2), who has been playing the games we agreed but has cut off all contact since July 18th. It has got to the point now where it looks like they are unlikely to get back in contact/ return our money and so I feel the need to publicaly out them as scammers on 2 plus 2 so no-one else makes the mistake of staking them. If either of them do get in touch, subsequent to this, I will update the thread.

stakeroller scammer - Alex Batrin
dekadence - 2+2
senceless - Pokerstars

mod edit (rw)
There is info linking dekadence to 2009 stakeroller daos with a different name given:
valericamate @ FullTiltPoker
valericamate- AIM
deka.dence@yahoo.com
daos - 2+2
Name : Lupu Alexandru
Address: Nufarului 11 D 12 , City of Bacau , Romania

.

Update: Andre came online on the 31st August and explained that the reason for the non-communication was through internet problems which his new flat. We agreed to end the stake and he shipped back everything in his account (the stake plus $15) today (sept 1st)

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09-02-2012 , 05:42 AM

#1843

Syker12

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,297

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syker12

Posting on behalf of Asquith31/Easee123 Staking

Full Name: kris hunt
Address: **Have if needed by anyone**
Moblie Phone Number: **Have if needed by anyone**
Facebook info: kris hunt
Playing Account: kris3012
Make Up: 3055
Our contracts as standard state that the player cannot leave in MU and we have the right to drop players in stakes accordingly.

Hes now playing for another backer after sending this cute email.

************************************************** ***********************

Hi Kev/Ben

As of the 10/03/12 i feel that my agreement has been forced to an end. The reasons behind this are listed below.

After constant scrutiny of my game, Ben feels my level of play is inadequate to play at the stakes I was originally offered to play. Whilst i appreciate constructive criticism, having so many constant set backs and blows regarding how I play is now starting to have a negative effect due to the constant negative frame of mind.
After the conversation regarding my "just playing 2s" which I whole heartedly disagreed with, I checked my agreement via the google docs to see if it had been changed, which it hadn't, so i continued at my normal stakes, which was brought up by Ben with an offer to INCREASE my make up by $510... Now, I work so hard, and put in so many hours, so as to grind my way out of make up and start getting some profit splits. I figured the coaching i was getting was to help me achieve this goal, but apparently not if your going to put me into more make up.
The extra-makeup deal has also made my views on how the stake is run change entirely, as I feel it's insulting.

I don't think it's possible for the situation to be rectified, and disagree entirely with the way Ben has put things forward to me, and even told me out-right "You are not good enough to be playing 8s Kris" - when $8 180s make up way over 50% of what I thought this staking deal was about.

My sharkscope shows that I have a positive return on investment at ALL stakes up to 15s, besides the $3 rebuys, which I don't like to play anyway, hence the small sample size there. I am hitting extremely bad variance at the moment, and expect my staking group/backers to help me through it with a positive attitude, I haven't had this at all and am very disappointed with how things have been dealt with since hitting my downswing.

My game, granted, hasn't been what it should be.. but I have shown more willing and eagerness to learn/grind than anybody I know, so when I started to run a bit better and took a shot back at the 15s, I didn't expect to be "penalised" as Ben put it.

In regards to my current make up: $3,022 - This will be paid as/when I can afford it, and will not include the extra 500 bucks you guys wanted to throw in.

Thanks for the opportunity, but it clearly hasn't worked out for either party, and I don't feel that it ever will.

Kris

Then lots of TLDR post in this thread.

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

Ok but surely they should have had all this sorted before now
Yes im happy for Bogan/bigloser to arbitrate

Bogan4life and Kris3012 were talking about a possible deal between themselves so i PM'd Kris to see if he had agreed to anything. Please see the below PM's we had.

This is the last post, i will make on this matter, even though Kris stole money from Kev/Ben and goes on bout how he will payback the money he degen'd off, he still not even bothered to get in touch with Ben/Kev and offer even a token payment.

From his last PM's, it appears hes not really interested in anyone arbitrating.

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Originally Posted by Syker12

I hear an agreement has been put in place?

Can you confirm what you have agreed to pay back, and at what % of you new profit splits, so i can ask a mod to edit my post that a deal has been put in place?

Good luck, hope you run good and get it paid off in quick time.

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

no not yet told bogan i want him and bigloser to look at it.
im prepared to go thru legal proceedings to clear my name and im 100% sure im in the right regarding the matter and that kev/ben broke the contract.
that being said i will obv be paying back the 500 so need to sort something out for that

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Originally Posted by Syker12

Ok cool w/e, you obviously know that stuff like this never goes to court so i guess its another angle you can shoot to delay payment.

Yeah paying the $500 or w/e you degen'd off is definatly the right thing to do.

IMO, you agreed that w/e Bogan and Bogloser agreed on (who's in the right etc) would be final?! I dont really want to get involved with that side as im obviously biased towards Kev. But i was under the assumption you and Bogan had a greed a deal, like 30% of MU + $500, maybe i was misinformed or got it wrong.

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

Nothing to do with angle shooting ive never thought they was in the right so y would i pay
bogan said about a deal i said it might be a good idea but then the more i thought about it the more i thought y should i pay when it aint my fault.
the fact it nevers goes to court its because from a legal standpoint the contract is worthless, esp in the case the initial contract is void and add to that the fact they broke the contract anyway they would get laughed out of court.
The fact they accepted the 30% tells me they know this and r just trying to get back any amount they can.
Fact is if u was in my position you would be exactly the same as me

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Originally Posted by Syker12

All online poker contracts are pretty worthless, probably less than 1% of them would stand up in court if it ever got that far.

2 factors lie here:
They didnt state in there contract that they couldnt move you up or down.

They did state you couldnt leave while in MU.

Its also forbidden to degen money off which doesnt belong to you.

You did things wrong, they did things wrong. No deniying.

But all your doing is trying to angleshoot on what they did wrong, you never complained before when they didnt change the contract to relect your BI levels, only when you got deep in MU and they asked you to move down did you bitch about it and say your not grinding and degened there money off.

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

No it didn't state in the contract about moving up but i asked to which they agreed where as they they told me I had to move down to which I didnt agree to ,there is a big difference
The whole buyin issue wasn't a problem until they tried forcing me to pay extra money and then force me to play different games to clear my mu
As for dealing with u please stop hassling me it doesn't have anything to do with u actually its between me ben/kev but they dont seem to have the balls to handle it themselves
Fact is they broke the agreement and know they r in the wrong and tryin to gettin anything they can out of me
You prove to me I broke to contract first and ill happily pay but I know for a fact u won't cuz I didn't break the contract initially

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Originally Posted by Syker12

lol, what you said just proves your angle shooting.

Its pretty pathetic.

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

Call it wot u like
Facts are facts like i said prove to me im in the wrong legally and ill pay up but i know for a fact im not legally in the wrong and im willing to go via legal action to sort this.
You know aswell as i do they dont legally have a leg to stand on so why should i pay?

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Originally Posted by Syker12

Nobody in the staking world legally has a leg to stand on so stop acting like a ****ing child otherwise all the dolts who steal from people in the MP like scarer and eric (to name a few) would be in prison or legally ****ed: contracts are basically like a gentlemans handshake.

If you wanna angleshoot - angleshoot jut dont sugar coat it to be something that its not.

Also stop talking about going to court as well, your ****in broke, you dont have $500 to pay them back what you effectivly stole from them so pretty much saying "Ill go to court" is doltingly ******ed.

Kris has the capacity to get into Makeup with backers, leave, then claim you cannot do anything legally so why should he grind or payback. To his current backer's: you must be a set of idiots.

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09-02-2012 , 06:35 AM

#1844

gudcallm8

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 324

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Originally Posted by Syker12

Then lots of TLDR post in this thread.

Bogan4life and Kris3012 were talking about a possible deal between themselves so i PM'd Kris to see if he had agreed to anything. Please see the below PM's we had.

This is the last post, i will make on this matter, even though Kris stole money from Kev/Ben and goes on bout how he will payback the money he degen'd off, he still not even bothered to get in touch with Ben/Kev and offer even a token payment.

From his last PM's, it appears hes not really interested in anyone arbitrating.

Kris has the capacity to get into Makeup with backers, leave, then claim you cannot do anything legally so why should he grind or payback. To his current backer's: you must be a set of idiots.

What has it even got to do with u? Nothing ur not invovled its a bit like me saying ' I dont wanna deal with u please speak to my friend bill even tho he has fk all to do with mine/kevs deal'.
Like i said if kev/ben had the balls to sort it out with me then maybe something could be resolved.
Im still waiting for Bogan/Bigloser to get back to me but as ive stating to all 3 of u i know the contract is worthless to which u even agreed.
At the end of the day they cocked up as backers and should have to face the consequences of there actions.

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09-02-2012 , 12:20 PM

#1845

bigloser2448

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 360

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Originally Posted by gudcallm8

Kris,
tbh, I'm a little confused. I thought it was pretty clear that you would agree with what Bogan and I agreed on. You told me nearly a month ago, you would be willing to pay 30% of MU + the $500 you tilted off. If I were Ben/Kev, I would taken that as a starting point from your side and want to go up from there, but now you're saying you're not even willing to pay that?

To refresh your memory, this is our conversation:
[8/11/2012 11:46:48 AM] (bigloser2448) : What exactly are you looking for out of this?
[8/11/2012 11:46:59 AM] (bigloser2448) : obv. you don't want to play for them, right?
[8/11/2012 11:47:02 AM] (kris3012): i want my name clearing
[8/11/2012 11:47:17 AM] (bigloser2448) : but you do agree you owe them $$, yes?
[8/11/2012 11:47:25 AM] (kris3012): im currently backed by someone else and still have over 1.5k games left
[8/11/2012 11:47:34 AM] (kris3012): i dont agree no
[8/11/2012 11:47:41 AM] (kris3012): i agree i owe them the money i tilted off
[8/11/2012 11:47:45 AM] (bigloser2448) : you don't think you owe them anything (from the MU)?
[8/11/2012 11:47:48 AM] (kris3012): but as i said to dean
[8/11/2012 11:47:57 AM] (kris3012): id be willing to pay 30% back (of the MU)
[8/11/2012 11:48:25 AM] (kris3012): but i feel the whole situation only came about due to bens attitude which forced me to stop playin for them
[8/11/2012 11:48:32 AM] (bigloser2448) : How much were you in MU including the tilt off?
[8/11/2012 11:48:40 AM] (kris3012): but i still had to play cuz i needed to make a living
[8/11/2012 11:48:42 AM] (kris3012): 3k
[8/11/2012 11:48:47 AM] (kris3012): 2.5k
[8/11/2012 11:48:51 AM] (kris3012): plus the 500
[8/11/2012 11:49:21 AM] (bigloser2448) : and you think you just owe them 500, plus you're willing to pay them 30% of 2.5k?
[8/11/2012 11:49:28 AM] (kris3012): ye

If you're not willing to pay at least that much, then as far as I'm concerned, you can stop wasting my time and give up on any chance of clearing your name in this thread.

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09-03-2012 , 12:11 PM

#1846

asquith31

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 637

Kris, let's just get this all sorted so that we can put everything to rest. There were obviously disagreements in the past and things were not handled perfectly on either end. We asked Syker to handle all correspondence on 2+2 for the simple fact of the language barrier and expressing everything clearly (even this post I am having edited for me).

Bigloser and Bogan have acted as 3rd Party arbitrators, and based on those conversations, it looks like 30% of MU + $500 was the agreed settlement amount. We are fine with that and happy to just bring this all to an end. Accordingly, this will clear your name and allow us to move on with our staking business as well.

To clarify numbers, 30% of the MU ($2525) is $757.50. Add the $500 for a total of $1257.50. You can send this to me via PokerStars and all will be settled. I hope we can resolve this as soon as possible.

Kev/ben asquitheaseestaking.

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09-03-2012 , 05:42 PM

#1847

gudcallm8

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 324

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Originally Posted by asquith31

Right ok lets agree at them figures then but some sort of payment plan needs to be put in place as i dont have the funds avaliable atm + owe MU to my current backers.
Bogan suggested a figure of x amount every profit split with the initial 500 being at a higher %
So if this can be agreed then we can get this mess cleared up

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09-03-2012 , 11:30 PM

#1848

ubeenshanked

stranger

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5

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Originally Posted by WEC

Even with existence of this warning, he has continued to scam/rip people off - be careful because he has recently stooped to using chat at Americas Cardroom to hit people up for stakes so he must be desperate.

Recent 2+2 ACTIVITY:

New 2+2 Banned Name used: soloking76
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/318104/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post31263838

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=7829

New Poker users names used (True Poker/Americas Cardroom):
N30kid
irckid1

Aim: devjh77
Real Name: Devon Heermance

***********
mod edit(RW)
more
He's still active (DNS) on ptp
where they continue to stake him.

He is now using Whataajokee on lock and Scammed my staking partner on lock through skype when he got 4th or 5th in a tourney for 400 then rolled

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09-04-2012 , 12:48 AM

#1849

WEC

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,473

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Originally Posted by ubeenshanked

He is now using Whataajokee on lock and Scammed my staking partner on lock through skype when he got 4th or 5th in a tourney for 400 then rolled

It is right here from June 2012....Please Stakers Google all of your Players Names prior to staking. Could have saved money here easily!!! I saw in another forum in last couple days this guy Skyping/Emailing/AOLing people for stakes, etc

On PTP in recent days, someone gave him access to their poker acct, and he transferred money to various people.

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Originally Posted by lvcjarrett

Devon's Lock: whataajokee and email solo_xsessi0nx1@hotmail.com

I was refered to Devon through one of my trusted friends that had staked Devon successfully. I was unaware of his past or how big of a scumbag he is, as was my friend. I don't know the appropriate place for skype logs so I'm just going to post them here. Mods feel free to do what you want with it. Devon blew through an initial roll of 300 in one session. He is a complete degen, he never once thought of moving down. I decided to give him another shot at it and gave him 100 for one set of 11 fos and under. He went on to get 3rd in a 3r and decided to move up to 11rs after I went to bed and was out of sight which was obviously out of our terms and he was well aware of it.

Here is our most recent skype exchange after which he unfriended me.

[6/12/2012 4:15:33 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me the intial 100 back
[6/12/2012 4:15:42 PM] Zach Jarrett: you went outside the stake
[6/12/2012 4:16:41 PM] Zach Jarrett: I'm not arguing with you, you have 24 hrs to give me the 100 back or I'm flaming the daylights out of you
[6/12/2012 5:11:47 PM] Irckid: shoulda asked for it last night when i had it i lost it all last night played intill 4am idc what u do i lost it all ur just mad i lost it... it happens get over it if i had it i would send im done on lock site is horrible
[6/12/2012 5:12:23 PM] Zach Jarrett: you don't understand
[6/12/2012 5:12:31 PM] Zach Jarrett: you broke our agreement
[6/12/2012 5:12:39 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me 100 dollars
[6/12/2012 5:12:40 PM] Irckid: i played 11s
[6/12/2012 5:12:50 PM] Zach Jarrett: 11rs are not 11 fos
[6/12/2012 5:13:02 PM] Zach Jarrett: you're well aware of that
[6/12/2012 5:13:18 PM] Zach Jarrett: you broke our agreement you owe me the roll
[6/12/2012 5:14:20 PM] Irckid: well i got 0$on lock
[6/12/2012 5:14:50 PM] Zach Jarrett: not my problem
[6/12/2012 5:14:54 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me 100
[6/12/2012 5:16:05 PM] Irckid: well if i had it i would send it but i dont
[6/12/2012 5:16:16 PM] Zach Jarrett: you don't have 100 dollars to your name?
[6/12/2012 5:16:24 PM] Irckid: no
[6/12/2012 5:16:42 PM] Zach Jarrett: thats sad but again not my problem
[6/12/2012 5:16:47 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me 100
[6/12/2012 5:23:25 PM] Irckid: how do i owe u 100? even kno i lost it all?
[6/12/2012 5:23:42 PM] Zach Jarrett: because you played out of the stake dumbass
[6/12/2012 5:24:16 PM] Irckid: u didnt tell me to stop after that tury i woulda sent it then if u woulda asked np
[6/12/2012 5:24:30 PM] Zach Jarrett: f tard you played 11rs
[6/12/2012 5:24:33 PM] Irckid: u said play 11s
[6/12/2012 5:24:45 PM] Zach Jarrett: 11 freeze outs I was very specific
[6/12/2012 5:25:01 PM] Zach Jarrett: you're deflecting your f up
[6/12/2012 5:25:12 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me 100 you broke the terms of our agreement
[6/12/2012 5:26:23 PM] Zach Jarrett: stop angling because youre life busto
[6/12/2012 5:26:32 PM] Zach Jarrett: you owe me 100 how are you going to pay it?
[6/12/2012 5:27:25 PM] Irckid: well i dont got it so idk
[6/12/2012 5:27:48 PM] Zach Jarrett: well figure it out asap
[6/12/2012 8:42:44 PM] Zach Jarrett: how is my money coming?
[10:00:37 AM] Zach Jarrett: I really hope the money is coming or you have a plan on how to get it to me for your sake. You clearly broke our agreement and you're well aware of it. If you have any interest in being backed through either of the forums I suggest you send me the money asap or nobody from 2p2 or P2P will back you ever again. It has nothing to do with 100 dollars, it has to do with the fact that you don't respect anyone else's money and terms. I suggest you pay me the 100 and avoid losing all future backing through anyone reputeable.
[2:59:04 PM] Irckid: lol
[2:59:18 PM] Zach Jarrett: whats so funny?
[2:59:36 PM] Irckid: i dont need ptp or 2+2 or any fourms to get backed
[3:00:10 PM] Zach Jarrett: you realize you'll never get backed by any of the big backers ever
[3:01:02 PM] Zach Jarrett: and you think its funny breaking conditions of an agreement and pissing away other people's money when you don't have 2 pennies to rub together?

Then he signed off.

Here is a guy that needs the police on his tail.

Investors please fill out this form if he is from USA
Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C)

If you know his locale, please call the local police department and let them know he is a serial scammer.

Maybe Mods can contact Lock or Americas Cardroom higher-ups so they will work with the site to reveal his personal info so he can be tracked down and arrested. The poker sites need to get their azz in gear and help much more in stopping these serial scammers. It would really take little effort on their part, and it would surely stop a lot of these criminals, and make the poker arena much safer for innocent, friendly players. If the serial criminals knew the poker sites would discourage and go after the crooks, the process would surely slow to a snails crawl.

The poker sites make millions of friggin dollars, and just sit there and allow their players to be ripped-off left and right. The criminals know it and go to town. What is sick, is a group of dedicated, volunteer, scam busters are left to keep track of the slimeballs, while the cash-laden poker sites don't spend a cent to help, unless they are the ones being stolen from.

To be fair, some of the poker sites have gotten off their glacier filled azzes, and at least closed down some accounts of scammers. But much more can be done by the sites themselves. It is really disgusting!!!!!!!

Last edited by WEC; 09-04-2012 at 01:06 AM.

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09-05-2012 , 02:33 PM

#1850

asquith31

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 637

Quote:

Originally Posted by gudcallm8

Ok Kris, so following up from our Skype conversation, here is the agreed upon plan to clear up the amount owed to us:

From any profits sent to your current backers, 20% will be sent to us to clear up the first $500.

For the remaining makeup (757.50), 10% will be sent to us.

I also think it will be easiest for you to send those funds directly to us instead of sending to your backers first. Should just make things simpler
ty asquitheasee staking

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