Wow I want to do bad things to you. I'm sure I'd get infracted for saying the things I want to do to you on here. You are scum. This is his money. He can pull a stake whenever he wants, especially after you lied about your background. You should be banned from whatever site your on for multiaccounting and admitting to it. You're scum. Give the man his money and crawl into a hole.

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What does this mean?

Either way - staker ends the stake - you send back

There is no middle ground

Caliburn just send the man his money back. Forget the silly arguments like you're not a bank or it's not his money now (lol wut), just give him back his money.

I think it would be nice if the first post can have a list of players who have scammed ppl. It makes it easier for ppl checking to see if ppl they want to deal with have been troublesome in the past.

you could just use search posts, in fact if you just looked at a first page list and didn't search that would be really ******ed.

Caliburn- your deal with him ended the instant you mentioned you had another account you wanted to play on and the backer said wait a minute no.

Nothing else applies at all. The money isn't yours. Send it back or you ARE a thief.

He wants to break the deal, i dont.
Im going to finish the deal and split the money like we agreed on.
Whatever you are blaming me for, its not theft.

You tell me there is no middle ground, that my only options are to take the money and keep them or to send them back to him, well here is the middle ground.

I dont consider myself doing a bad thing if im finishing the agreement we had and ship him over 1k profits.
Im not losing any sleep over the fact im making someone hundreds of dollars.

gtpitch, if you dont know what that means you should read my previous posts when i explained it.

Someone needs to slap some sense into you. You've ruined your poker reputation over 1k that you're holding hostage so you can buy presents. Get a job you worthless ****. Rest assured I'm going to be reporting your names to Stars and your little story about multiaccounting after this is all sorted out you useless scammer. Give his money back.

Can you all not see the problem here?
Returning the stake + profit at the time he wanted to break the deal would be a scam.

Since we had our conflict i still continued to play in order to finish the deal, and im currently at $2300 from his $570, and at the time he wanted to end the stake it was at $930.
I would not consider it fair to break the deal atm, i should finish the deal and make the split. No matter what anyone say here im not gonna use the money and then scam him of the profit. Sure, he can be mad i finished our deal instead of breaking it, but that does not make me a scammer or a thief.

you're so delusional. the backer has an inherent right to end the deal whenever he wants. you might not be a scammer or thief by strict definition, but you are a giant piece of trash and should never be trusted by anyone in the poker community again. it doesn't matter whether you've run the stake up or down since then, you're still a scumbag.

LOLDONKBETZ you got some real problems with ur head. Go ahead and report me, nothing can prove my dad didnt play on his account, and i already mailed stars our ID/cred card pictures and told them i was worried cuz me and my father played on the same computer. They said it was not a problem so why would some punk whining about it make a diffrence here? tell a nice story, no one will care. You are worthless, just shut up and stop bothering ppl with ur insults.

Why would the backer have a right to end a deal whenever he wants? A deal is a deal. Ur telling me backers are in the right to change a deal whenever they want? how ******ed. If that is true then its just wrong, a deal should not be changed by just one of the people involved.

Im a scumbag cuz i dont want to break deals? whatever. And it matters a lot if i have run the stake up or down since then, to play and keep the profit would be to freeroll him, to scam him. You are just ******ed.

You've proved it ITT genius. You admitted to having two accounts on a Public Forum, which you've also used to sell $T from both accounts.


Much thanks to those of you who tried to convince him to do the right thing, I really appreciate it.

I kind of think that playing on two accounts is a deal breaker, or it would be for me. I also think based on my experience with your backers that it'd be very hard to screw up as badly as you have. I hope they get their money back.

Caliburn stop being dumb.
YOU broke the deal. You withheld relevant information and then tried to persuade your backer to use that withheld info to your advantage once you had money. At that point everything the original deal is based on is gone.

Here is your reply to me and my reply to you. Everyone deserves to see it.


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Originally Posted by Caliburn
Like i said, i have to pay for stuff. I cant afford to break the deal. I dont know how it works for you, but in my country you have to pay for what you order. If you cant even put urself in my spot and think im ridiculous, then i got nothing more to say.

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So what date are you setting to pay this back since what you have just written is you are using the money right now to cover purchases you should have never made?

Anticipating more excuses here are my final thoughts as of right now.

Using the stake money to pay for things makes you a thief and nothing else. You are not allowed to make marketplace posts or transfer thread posts at this time.
The one exception is you are allowed to continue posting in the negative feedback forum.

you attempted to modify the stake by revealing RELEVANT information you withheld from the staker beforehand. having multiple accounts is against PokerStars terms and conditions. Nothing less.
That you hid the information beforehand and then tried to use it to your advantage only after the fact and now will not return ANY of the money says everything anyone needs to know about your character.

Well done scammer.

-apefish


One last followup.

Just out of curiosity what amount do you currently have in the Ace/Caliburn account- because the INSTANT you took any stake money out of that account you were in clear breach of any agreement you could possibly have despite whatever delusional rationalizing you are attempting to now do.

The balance is at $2300, but you missunderstand. I orderd items i need to pay for, but i havent paid for them or cashed out anything yet, i will do that when i make the split obv. The problem is that if i dont pay the items when they arrive there will be a fine, and if you still cant understand me, then ur just ******ed.

I have already explained everything several times, but from what im reading you are just ignoring it and go on like parrots to say scammer scammer, money money.

Im done here, i got 200 more games to play and then ill ship bren his money and split the profit. And be sure i dont give a **** what any of you think, i dont give a rats ass about my reputation, ill pay him his money and his half of the profit cuz that was the deal. I cant care less if some 2+2 ****** tells me the deal should be broken.

I lose posting ability? well **** me, thats so sad. Keeping deals is a problem here?, then bye to you all and please bann or delete this account for keeping one deal too many alive. Unbelivable.

This was my last post and last look at this forum, any reply to me will not be seen.

Lets see how you like it when this thread is the first on google search of your name, either way you are a scumbag

okay so wait- now you've changed your tone and acknowledged you DO owe him money. hey there's a start.



I liked this part by the way. nice touch.

Re: You have received an infraction at Two Plus Two Poker Forums

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ok moron

My rage cannot be seen through an internet forum. How can people be this dumb?

well to be fair I did infract him for "Being an idiot" so I figure the moron shot is fair game by him.

It's nice he's apparently made money for Bren since this issue arose(not money Bren has seen yet), although I don't know if they had a one time square up planned or what.

However this is the first time I've seen anywhere that he's continued playing the stake terms off. Some times when you act like you've run off with the money, and people react to you like you've run off with the money, what you should do- instead of saying essentially "yes I deserve the money because he broke the deal" is to actually tell people what you have done/are doing.

It doesn't mitigate your actions to this point much at all- but hey at least now you've put a number out there since Bren apparently cannot track your results thru your actions so far.
I'd be interested in hearing how often you were supposed to square up on this now.

If any of this ever went to court, in my country and i'm assuming most western countries(UK, US etc..). You would have broken an implied condition of the contract by breaking the TOS of the site, it would be a reasonable assumption that the backer expected you to follow them and therefore not have to be expressly written or spoken about. As soon as you break this, the other party has the right to end the contract immediately and even could seek damages from you.

Bren, would you just like your original money back and be done with this? (not saying it's ideal but) if so why doesn't caliburn send you back what was owed to you when you requested the stake to end, and just call it quits there and say f it to whatever extra he has made.

Like i said, it's not ideal, but should reduce the worry about whether cali pays you back or not at the end of the stake and hopefully cali should see that this way he also ends up about $1500, which should cover his purchases and he can just carry on playing on his own roll (like i said about $1500) and won't need to be splitting profits (since he doesn't care about his rep this should make sense to him as well). ?! :S


so in essence just getting your money back for peace of mind.