First of all, Matt mentions immediately dropping me after finding out about my problems. This is not the case. He told me that he agreed with my assessment that I needed to take a short break and that I shouldn't let bad runs get to my head and that I would continue to be staked upon returning. The next day after conferring with the other half of his group is when I was dropped, despite his previous statements. Also, I never posted false amounts. What he means by this is that I delayed updating after a couple bad sessions. This seems like a negligible issue to me.

My main issue with the group, however, is that soon after beginning the stake, I won slightly over $1000 in a mtt. I had left a small amount (around $60 I believe) in my account specifically to play a $5 rebuy mtt every now and then because MTT staking was not part of our arrangement and I've played this tournament a handful of times a month for years.

I gave them somewhere north of $400 (We had a 60/40 split) simply because I felt that not doing so would seem shady in a brand new agreement even though no MTT staking arrangement had ever been discussed. I felt that I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Admittedly my inexperience played a factor here but I felt that this unwarranted payment more than covered my losses later on and that, if anything, the group owed me somewhere around $90 (410/420-320). Despite showing me the original arrangement that never mentioned MTT's and Matt's own admission in this thread, neither of them has ever admitted that they should never have had any cut of my MTT win.

All in all, I'll admit that I made a couple mistakes and that I have to learn a few things about staking. That being said, Matt and Brian are experienced backers and in my mind, demonstrated some questionable judgment. If you're looking for a stake, I would suggest looking elsewhere.

Thanks for the info guys. I will begin posting any other info that's available to me and allowed. For these two particular players, you can see that GoChiefs19 has the same 2p2 and Stars SN. Jason Burroughs goes by "Burroughs". I will add emails the next time I make a post.



This seems quite immediate to me. Obviously I needed to speak with my partner and you were notified the next day. You never played another hand of poker under us. These are the silly long-winded arguments you tried to get into us with which was the reason we told you to just forget about the money. You were wasting large amounts of our time. Maybe that was a poor decision on our part.

Our horses are asked to clear out their accounts. If our agreement was vague with you I apologize for that. But players we back all understand that we have their action in all games that they play unless they have permission to play something on their own. The only reason I mentioned backing Alex for cash games is because that's where the issues were with why he was dropped. Truth be told, it was months ago and I forgot this MTT issue ever existed. Also, I wanted to be as brief as possible while still getting all info out there. At the time Alex was IM'ing us discussing clearing his makeup with an MTT win, asking our advice on chops, and immediately sent us our share without ever questioning whether this was included on the stake or not. To him at the time, it clearly was. He's just once again trying to angle us.

Was he reprimanded for playing a tournament that was supposedly not allowed on his stake? Is this one of those things where it didn't matter because he won?

Did he play anything that was not a part of the stake before/after this? If none of this, then it sounds (from his explanation and your response) as though he indeed played this on his own roll and it should be noted that he split it with you as some sort of good will gesture.

I don't defend scammers, in fact I spend quite a bit of my own time outting them for others, but I think it's fair to note that he gave you guys $400 for a game that was not only not allowed but was not covered by your roll.

For him to not say anything at the time and use it as an excuse, or reason he thinks he should not be in MU, much later and after the fact doesn't make much sense though.

He was actually encouraged to play tournaments and sngs as we felt this is where he had the biggest edge. This was not the first tournament he played. Just the first big cash. It was never questioned that tournament wins or losses were on the stake until he was cut.

MTT's were covered by our roll. We discussed them briefly when signing him up, he would alert us when he was deep in a MTT, we sweated him through all of his MTT successes, he talked to us about how winning one would get him out of makeup, and he even consulted with me when he was going to chop a tournament. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they were covered by the stake, and coincidentally enough there was no doubt in his mind either until the stake was over and he realized that he might owe us money, go figure.

Either way, the reason this has been posted here is because he played over his limits, and wasn't completely up front with us about his results.

Thanks for the clarification guys. That explains it much better and makes his point invalid. It also over shadowed the main subject that he played out of the agreed limits witch I overlooked because of.
gl

b33pb33p1majeep (2:20:01 PM): name : joe walter
b33pb33p1majeep (2:20:17 PM): mailing address : 23 plaster road, salford, united kingdom MA1 27x
b33pb33p1majeep (2:20:23 PM): no. 07781 424860
b33pb33p1majeep (2:20:31 PM): email : internetspkr@googlemail.com
b33pb33p1majeep (2:24:56 PM): lvl23paladin / nakedaces88@googlemail.com

Dont have his 2p2 name saved in my PM inbox.


Kid i signed to play HU on cake. He got the stake and grinded the first day. he then didnt contact me for a few days which was fine.


I then got a email from cake today asking me my relationship with him. I explained to cake i stake some people and they than wrote me this email:


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Hi Zima421,

The account which you sent the funds to was more than likely created with fake details. After a small amount of poker play the funds which you sent were transferred on to a second account registered with a similar name to a well known transfer fraudster. Both of the accounts were created from the same computer. The funds were then transferred on to another account located in a different country which at this stage appears innocent and is most likely a victim of this fraudster and has probably already sent the fraudster funds at another site in exchange for the funds which he received.

Anyway, I've reversed all of the transfers back through the accounts and you should see $750 in your account from lvl23paladin. I'd appreciate if you could let 2+2 and all other stakers on the forum know to watch out for this guy.

Regards,

Tony

Cake Network

Fraud and Security Manager

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excellent job cake.


watch out for this kid

this guy was already discovered last week:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=83520

always search in the transfers threads as well, scammers usually start there.

well, it prolly was caught there. i started staking him around 2 weeks ago.


he got caught by sending money around to dif accounts etc.

Cake has been soooo awesome and proactive tracking down scammers and even recovering money for people.

This guy also hit up Spathic for a stake and I wound up asking for someone in the transfer thread to help look him up etc and sure enough he was a scammer.

He's obviously going to many different people and taking many different scamming angles, both transfer fraud and staking fraud. This guy's pretty bold and is gonna get himself caught. Cake is obv aware of him.

wow, cake are awesome

Yes, they are, and have been the most willing and proactive dealing with fraud then any of the sites so far. I actually posted about it at p5's and here in the transfer thread.

Here's a post of a thread that shows another of their emails on a different (but huge) issue for many. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=75

If you haven't read that thread I'd suggest it, as it has a lot to do with fraudulent funds witch is the biggest, latest, trend in scamming and people should inform themselves about it so they can defend themselves from it. Most sites will just confiscate the fraudulent funds and usually the person that was used for a trade will be out money.

He's still applying for stakes, how is he not banned yet?

maddicted--on stars
patrick.gerritsen@hotmail.com--AIM
Patrick Gerritsen--Real name


Staked him for 25nl. he has been out of contact for about 20 days now.


do not stake.

RE: DirkReems

He hasn't posted in a month but logged on as recently as 6 hours ago and might be PMing for trades or stakes.

Two respected posters have fingered him, 1 and 2 and he should be banned.

Yes, he PM'ed me for a stake and did not post in the thread

DO NOT STAKE Lipstick91

he is longtime serial scammer Joshua le Marchant (dont know if real name)

he is also the recently banned NakedAces88:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=659

he has so many names, aliases, SNs it is hard to keep up. he PMed me asking for a stake and is currently active in the MP asking for stakes. if u see anybody responding to him, make sure to give warnings.

other SNs he gave me:
cake (Lipstick91)
ipoker (eggfriedrice88)

i will also forward the PM he sent me to mods and point out what linked him to these other accounts.

this ones for u RW our newly appointed mod, bring the banhammer.

lol nice catch

lordy.

btw, I'd rather not be 'marketplace approved'

i made a mistake(s) with my backers and it's probably best i not have MP approval.

ok

Crossposting the following thread regarding TheRealMT

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...realmt-905035/

Basically do not stake him. TheRealMT on 2p2 and on Stars, ballaholic952 on FTP.

Do Not Stake Curveballs

2p2 profile: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/207087/
Aim Contact: Budabungalo
Ftp name: budabungalo

He had sold a number of 90 man KO packages for on ftp in the marketplace and eventually I picked him up and had him playing 3/6 90s with shottying 13s for every $6 ft he made while in the profit.

Things went well for about a month and then I noticed I didnt have any contact with him and i SSd him and saw he had played some higher stake HU sngs and had blown the roll; he has not been in contact with me.

1 thing I learned was to get all IRL info from my players such as full name, phone number, FB link etc, so you have a bit of recourse if something like this happens for larger $ amounts.

Josh


Edit (RW)
additional curveballs site names:
PocketAA63 (Stars)
kinghi420 (AP)

Name- Jason Burroughs
Email- burroughs420@yahoo.com
Screen name- StopnGoAA on Pokerstars
2p2 name- Burroughs

Info-
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=649

Name- Alex Basista
E-mail- kwood34@email.unc.edu
SN- GoChiefs19 on Pokerstars
2p2 name- gochiefs19

Info-
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=649


New people not to stake/scammers/thieves/etc.-

Name- Viktor Elfstrom
Email- viktorelf@gmail.com
SN- Apekatt66 on Stars and FTP
2p2 name- Apekatt66

Had an initial stake of $250. He played very seldom for a couple months and then quit us $308 in makeup. Advised him that ending the stake while in make-up was very bad form and would look bad to any other future backers. Basically said he couldn't care less.



Name- Breck Nuckolls
Email- breck.nuckolls@gmail.com
SN- Breckgoat on Stars and FTP
2p2 name- BreckGoat
AIM-breckgoat
Lives in Tulsa Oklahoma and plays live at casinos in that area.
https://www.pokerpages.com/player-pr...k-nuckolls.htm
http://www.facebook.com/people/Breck-Nuckolls/34315947

Not sure what happened with this guy. We had profit chops, coaching sessions, and despite his lack of volume, we seemed to have no issues. Within the last month he dropped off the face of the earth and presumably ran off with the $400 in his account and left his makeup behind as well (though it wasn't a huge amount, much less than he'd worked off previously). Have e-mailed him multiple times with no response. He no longer signs on AIM/and or blocked us. Found out of a previous backer/friend (I'm not exactly sure) where he got drunk and spewed off money in the account, however he paid this person back.




Name- Stavros Tinkentzoglou
Email- we786mop235qz8@gmail.com
AIM- calebo1214
SN- tin_cantwin on Stars and etinks on FTP
2p2- deanshmerks (stopped posting on this account after this ordeal) Recently created i'lltakethat and has already used the MTTc trading T$ thread to unload the last of our money in his account.
Mailing address- Karabataki 14, Giannitsa, 58100, Greece

This has been our longest and by far worse ordeal. DO NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WHATSOEVER WITH THIS GUY!!! We were staking Stavros, he sucked, couldn't beat 2/180s, we were working with him. He was probably breakeven. He was Supernova and wanted to play limit cash games as he had in the past. He was Supernova and had grandeur dreams of becoming SNE this year (impossible). But, we re-negotiated his deal to chop cash game winnings, FPP's from buying bonuses, and milestone bonuses. He began playing and losing at cash (shocker) but reached the 200k milestone and we had a chop. He was saving up FPP's to buy the 4k bonus on Stars. He had over 3k worth at this point. Long, long story short at this point, all of the money and FPP's were gone. First we got a story that he bought a laptop with the FPP's and used the others for bonuses and played 30/60 O8 and lost all the money. Then there was no laptop. Blah blah blah. Refused to send his audit history, which we requested and said we may even consider staking him still if he would provide this and show us what really happened. Idk if he played 30/60 or bought a laptop or just cashed money out. Either way, he stole over 5k from us. He was e-mailing and trying to work out plans to make some sort of restoration. Those emails stopped about 2 weeks ago. When he played FPP sats with the rest of the FPP's in his account, won $341 and quickly created a new 2p2 name and traded them off for cash. Whether he's playing with that money or just cashed it out, again, we don't know.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...-theif-913028/

jess112234 on stars


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