@ bren: i think so too

@supernova: actually with the knowledge that problems had come up in earlier stakings i would not have staked him. I think that, espacially when people are staked via pm and not in staking threads, such problems should be posted here to warn the others.

2+2: texan1382; http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/200843/
Stars: texan1382, BOT #1382 (yes, he multiaccounts)
FTP: texan1382


We were roommates at a grindhouse in Vancouver. Staked him with a friend; also personally fronted him some money for rent. Tried to get away with 2k+; very doubtful I'll get the rent back. While cashing out, attempted to "wash" the money playing HU cash with a 3rd account which stars support has not disclosed to my friend. Just a warning in case anyone reads this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...series-838018/

Apparently he owes a bunch of people money, I've been in touch with only those I know of. If you're one, send me a PM and we can forward what we know, like an address and home number. Chatlogs are also available if anyone would like to vouch for him. Obviously I'd recommend against transfers or staking with this person, he has basically admitted via email to all I've said and justified it along the lines of "I'm broke, I have no options."

ya agreed, it was like my very first staking and I didnt even know about this thread at the time, but one thing I noticed is if someone pms you out of nowhere its a strong clue its a danger sign, which is what davy usually does asking for a stake

someone PMing you out of nowhere for stakes is generally infractible and should be read with warning bells and sirens fully attached.

absolutely the truth, but to be honest even with disapearing now he made me a nice profit and never had much money from me..

2+2 Account name: jadenawsop

FTP / PS / Absolute SN : Babilion18

E-mail: Babilion18@gmail.com

Name: Pawel Wojdyla

Location: Swiecany, Poland


I gave him a stake of $200 for NL10. He has not played any hands according to PTR (although he did talk about playing rush). He attempted to contact me ONCE after the initial stake. I had to PM him on the forums to try and set up a sweat with him. He tried to contact me and then disappeared. He has not logged onto the forums since the 10th of August. Hit and runner for $200 maybe? Who knows.

Just received funds from Senjitsu/Jason. As far as I know everyone has been paid back in full.

hey birgit, i am working on getting money back on here and will pay you back in full asap. im sorry for delay, but am still working in fortmac, and do not have funds left in account because i gambled it.....i apologize

Possible scammer !

2p2 SN : PatrickK
skype : Elmar Stein
PartyPoker SN : gehweiter777

I was searching for a STAKE and he contacted me. We discussed for a while and he was "willing to stake me", he said he had been playing at PartyPoker under a nickname that doesnt exist in the SS/PTR Database. He wanted his transfer limits increased at FTP so he could be able send me "the stake". He said i had to send him atleast $100 a couple of times to make this happend, this is where my red alert was beeping. He haven't been online for 2days now and It's possible his a good guy, but I will keep this post till proven wrong !

ya this is untrue, ftp doesn't even have transfer limits afaik

^ give his ftp SN as well

u also misspelled his 2p2 which is PatrickK

He didnt gave me his FTP SN, but i will state him as a obv. scammer til proven wrong at this point ..

Could also give the log of the skypechat if wanted, PM me if theres any interest for that.

1mtm91 is a thief and double books stakes, see here for more info:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13.../#post21031739

Name: Jeff Latka
2p2 name: proofz (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/86352/)
2p2 name: Malicious (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/163106/)
Full Tilt: proofz & armorized
PokerStars: proofz
Email: jeff.latka@gmail.com


1) Steals stake from multiple backers
2) Running conflicting stakes at the same time
3) Multi accounting (proofz and armorized on full tilt)
4) Steal backing money from other backers he is in partnership with
5) Chip dumping
6) Personally down over 9k to this scumbag.

More info here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...-stake-857905/

I would consider the following person totally unsuitable for staking after their recent actions:

Staked the player a few months ago (for 50NL and 100NL 6max on full tilt), they did fine for a while. Returning a total profit to me of $611

He then went on a pretty standard downswing and was given makeup, making his $1600 stake into a total of $2200. After the total in his account dropped again to $1380 he stopped playing entirly, blaiming work issues and so on. We gave him weeks to play, only asking him to him to put hands in when he could and stay in contact. However he continued to never play, and made no contact despite attempts to contact him.

I sent the following message:

"I need to have a chat with you on skype asap. You are currently quite deep in makeup and seem to have stopped playing altogether. We would expect at least some effort to either get out of makeup, or repay the makeup if you are not going to be playing anymore."

He didn't reply so I sent a quick follow up "We still have not heard from you."

To which he replied:

"I'm at work and can't get on your website/skype, I will get on skype
tonight probably around 9pm central, but the situation hasn't changed,
I will play whenever I can. Obviously, I'm not going to write you a
check. That would entail no risk for you to stake me, while I would be
taking on all the risk, which would defeat the entire purpose of me
seeking a stake. Your net loss from my stake is $100, I'm happy to
play whenever I can to earn back makeup but surely you understand my lack of complete personal incentive. We can discuss tonight if you
would like."

I replied:

We never suggested that you would take any of the risk at all. We took (and continue to take) 100% of the risk. In return for us doing that, you agreed to play a decent volume of hands, maintain communitcation ect. Which you haven't done.

He then did not contact either myself or Nick (staking partner) on skype. I finally had no option to requerst remaining stake back, which he sent.

Apart from the fact that his numbers are totally off (our net loss is $200), his message is total nonsense.

• 1) We have every right to expect him to play the stake, especially when he is down. The fact that being down means he has no incentive to play shows just how little he understands about staking.
  
• 2) We agreed and contracted a set minimum number of hands, he did not even try to play a single hand at all after a snall downswing.
  
• 3) The stake was 50/50. How does him taking $600 profit and me taking $200 loss work out at 50/50 exactly?
  
• 4) Finally, any player who stops playing because they go into makeup is in clear breach of contract, and is unstakable ethically. It is, in my mind scamming which ever way you look at it.

Being staked isn't a freeroll Andrew, we take 100% of the risk of losses, in return for you playing reasonable volume. Refusing to play just to force the backer to end the stake is scamming. And that's that.

Name: Andrew Pichee
2p2 name: ajp504 - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/73995/
Cardrunners name: apichee
Full Tilt: ajp504
PokerStars: ajp504
Location: St. Louis, US
Email: ajpichee@gmail.com


Cliff notes: DO NOT STAKE - Contract breached and total lack of understanding of what a backer reasonably expects from a player.

1. I contacted you on Skype at 9:45 central time the night I said I would be on at 9. To which you did not respond that day or the next.
2. I informed you ahead of time that I would no longer be able to play hardly any volume of hands because I started a job that required me to work in excess of 60hrs a week. To which you said, no problem play when you can.
3. In no way did I not play because I was went on a downswing, I stopped because of other obligations.
4. The first dialogue after me not playing after I told you I would not, was you telling me I had two options a) write you a check for $600 (my net result would be -$200, yours would be +$1,100...hardly 55/45 stake either) or b) play when i can. I then responded that I would play when I can like I had already stated.

Whenever you sent an email, I responded extremely promptly. Very few people in corporate america can be on skype all day to respond to you. So the "made no contact despite attempts to contact him" is terribly untrue.

I'm fine with negative feedback, and you stating your peace about how you felt the stake was handled. I am not, however, fine with being called a scammer. Being compared to someone who chip dumps/multi-accounts is not acceptable. Several of your "facts" in your post are just false, but I'd rather not make outlandish comparisons to slander you on a public forum. I'm fine with the negative feedback but let's be civil.

Did u tell ur backer that this was a possibility b4 the staking agreement was signed? If not, u breached the volume requirement and should pay a % of the makeup (whatever was agreed to).

You are talking such nonsense Andrew, but if you really want to do this:

As you well knew I am on UK time, during the stake you were well aware that you needed to speak to me before midnight GMT. You always found a way to do so when you needed something, makeup or whatever. Suddenly you forget that and made your only contact to me after that email at 2am my time. You also could have contacted Nick who was on at that time since he is in Las Vegas, but you did not.

Also, we had tried to contact you repeatedly for weeks prior to this, leaving you a bunch of messages, none of which you responded too.

Yes, and I understood, as long as you made some attempts to play, and stayed in touch. You promised you would do both and then did neither. You did not play a single hand for weeks, and never once responded to repeated messages. I was very understanding about this. I asked for two simple things, play a little, and keep in touch. You did neither.

This is such rubbish I don't even know where to start.

AFTER I said I would be happy for you to play if and when you can (as long as you put in a couple of hours a week and stayed in touch) I mentioned that you had the option to buy the makeup if this was not possible for you. I said I would not expect full value back, and that I would prefer that you played out the stake regardless. I made it clear that I did not prefer this option and was not asking you to pay back if you could play at least a little. It was mentioned so that you were aware of all the options. Once again, I never asked for full value so I have no clue where you get your figures from.

I have multiple emails which were not responded too. Also, myself and Nick are on skype all hours of the day and night. More than enough to fit around your working hours.

As for scamming. My definition of scamming includes any serious breach of contract. I believe many others share this definition. You have demonstrably breached the contract we had and freerolled a stake in my opinion. Your definition of scamming may be different. But as the person who has lost money here, I feel that I have every right to set the definition. Breaching contract = scamming. You breached contract totally, therefore I believe you to be a scammer.

You are trying to deflect blame totally here. Just like you did in the email I quoted above.

without commenting on the particular case at hand I'd say that a definition of scamming that includes any breach big enough to break a contract is unrealistically broad.

it may make the person completely unworthy of being staked going forward.

This is a good point to be honest. To clarify I was referring to serious intentional breaches of contract only, rather than more minor breaches. I may have overstated my position on it in my last post.

Transeporter----FTP


Has been out of contact for well over 2 months. was a great horse for a while, but got a real job and got into some MU and than just decided he wanted to not be in contact anymore.

DaveT12 has paid back to owed money to me and i would guess also to matty.

thanks

no probs birgit thank you

This guy also has $500 of mine. He was selling action on Forrest vs LNog, and I bought it. He may be trying to get **** together and pay it back, but I dont know.

2+2 Name: pokerisrigged

pokerisrigged just stole a $50 amazon gift code from me

We were doing $50 code for $50 FT

Once i sent the code he went offline on aim.

He has not responded to one private message either and he's offline.



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Nevermind that ^

Pokerisrigged got disconnected from the internet and came back on and payed me.