Jesus ****ing Christ I can't imagine how desperate someone would have to be to do business with an organisation as predatory as yours after your last couple posts taking collateral from busto players you're staking up front then refusing to return it when they quit poker and publicly shaming the horse on top of that when the amount of money in his account is less than the collateral HE ALREADY PAID YOU UPFRONT and he's quit poker

Like sure, some horses are gonna be scumbags but poor Timothy, you owe him $112.15 if anything morally speaking what you are doing is reprehensible here like yeah, sure, he's technically in the wrong for agreeing to it in the first place but...

You're like a payday loan company preying on the desperate, absolute scum behaviour if this is how Pocarr does business and I say this as someone who has both been backed and backed people at decent stakes with no issues in both poker and sports betting.

No, I don't know the horse and have never interacted with him in any way. I've also never done business with or interacted with Pocarr in any way and have no association with any competitor stables.

Yes, i'm here to call out scumbag backer behaviour as well as scumbag horse behaviour.

You absolutely would have first rights to his action should he ever return to playing but for ****s sake, a line has to be drawn on what constitutes unethical offers as far as backing goes and while sure, the horse is stupid for agreeing in the first place, this is scumbag predatory behaviour by Pocarr here.

Mods if my post is against the rules by all means remove it but someone has to call Pocarr out for this.

- Name: Otabek Sharipov

- Country: Uzbekistan
- email: ztel1313@gmail.com
- phone: 998946302232 Whatsapp
- discord: ssmoto

- nicks:
- - GG: OTB13
- - 888.com: sfmoto
- - Chico: ssmoto


The player robbed small amounts of money from banks every month, totaling approximately $600. When questioned, he said it was a family emergency and agreed to pay the debt in 2 weeks... waiting.

thank you very much for the clarifications.

Is the buy out and collateral depending on the ts

So did you keep his collateral or did you send back the 250?

because although he seemingly agreed to a absolute insane contract if you keep the 250 you have gotten your pound of flesh out of the guy and should just back off in my opinion.

You guys are the worst. These type of contracts would be outlawed in every regulated environment you are one step above slave drivers.

Do you at least have contracts and negotiations in peoples mother languages because these terms are so outrageous I have to question if players understand them before agreeing to them.

To ask for a collateral that you can keep if he doesn't play enough is so unbelievable. i am shocked that 2+2 would allow you to advertise here and use the forum as a tool to put pressure on the poor sods that ran away from your unethical business practises.

Could not agree more. This is the most unethical business practises i have head about in a long time. I am shocked this is allowed on here back in the olden days when i was active these guys would have been run out of town immediately.

I think actually we should start a About the forums thread on this. I for one think its outrageous that a company like this is not only allowed to advertise on here but wield 2=2s reach as a weapon to keep their slaves in line.

Pay the poor Timothy back his money wtf !

Name : pocarr staking
country : probably east euro / russia

scams their horses when they wanna leave

There is nothing wrong with Pocarr asking for collateral. Almost all companies do the same.

I have no leg in the game but I have to call this out.

Quite simply put

No they don't

if you think that, you have no idea. Simple like that.

what companies ask for collateral?

You say these days in staking it is common for the staker to ask for collateral so to hand over the risk to the horse?

What do you need staking for if you are still the one taking on all the risk and what exactly does the staker get a share for?

if you want i answer you in private. Makes no sense to be spamming this thread.

lol

I have some idea 👍

It's a scummy practice that only preys on the vulnerable.

- Name: Miguel Sousa

- Country: Portugal
- email: pmfs1994@gmail.com
- phone: 928128515 Whatsapp
- discord: miisousa

- nicks:
- - Ps FRES: Kid$hark1
- - 888.pt: KidShark1
- - WPN: ImKidShark


Portuguese player, came in, took the entire bankroll, and started playing spin and off the grid. Says he will return all the money when he can, but so far it's just stalling. Outstanding balance: $290.00

*att: 23/10/2024 - debt paid off, but we maintain the team's shutdown

- Name: Frederico Cordeiro

- Country: Portugal
- email: frederico.cordeiro@gmail.com
- discord: spaceman1653

- nicks:
- - Ps FRES: Unlucky Czar
- - 888.pt: LeSpaceman
- - GG: LeSpaceman


Portuguese player, downgraded level due to having a high MU, and continued to experience a rising MU. As a result, the audit showed that he "stole" $800. The remaining debt balance is MU. Outstanding Balance: $2442.89

- Name: Tiago Branco

- Country: Portugal
- emails: tiagoraul77@gmail.com / tiago_branco7@outlook.pt
- phone: 965530921
- discord: achas9745

- nicks:
- - pasrah
- - unclejames1955

A payment agreement was made for the exit in August, but so far the two months that were supposed to be paid have failed. Outstanding Balance: $3264.96

Name: Luis Romero / Steven Marrero / Luis Arturo Romero Vallenilla
Ipoker: yireh sala champion
GGPoker: Luispoker
WPN: Zeuspoker10
Address: La Guaira / Venezuela
Email: ares.zeus2510@gmail.com,lr605355@gmail.com, jijantes1025@gmail.com
Discord:zeuspoker / zeuspeaker



We started working with Luis Romero on September 25, 2024.

A few days after starting, we noticed that Luis Romero was not following the stop-loss rules..

After that, he disappeared completely for a few weeks and emptied the balance in his account. Weeks later, after several attempts to contact him, he replied saying that his computer had burned out and that the machine was being repaired.

A few days after this we received a new application from a different name, different email, different nickname but with the same hands as Luis Romero had submitted with his application.

It became clear that Luis Romero is likely a repetitive scammer who tries to steal the initial bankrolls sent - likely transferring funds via chip dumping.

Luis Romero owes us $500

- Name: Victor Garrote Coelho

- Country: Brazil
- emails: victorgarrote082@gmail.com
- phone: +5531991046203
- discord: victor_garrote

- nicks:
hebinhuu (888)
hebinhuu (GG)
hebinhuu (iPoker)
hebinhuu (WPN)
hebinhu (ps.com)

Brazilian player, soon after joining the team he played several off-stakes tournaments and did not respect the rules. When questioned about these tournaments he disappeared with his bankroll. Outstanding balance: $245.00

- Name: Hector Soria

- Country: Argentine
- emails: Thekingdon100@gmail.com
- phone: +543564385314
- discord: excelsior14

- nicks:
- - ALFA-OMEGA - Winamax
- - Hyperionn14 - 888.com
- - Sagittarius Bet - GG


Argentine player. He left the team and was supposed to return the bankroll ($116.71) and has not responded.

- Name: Luis Sanz

- Country: Argentine
- emails: layduhsanz@gmail.com / lucho_gerlo@hotmail.com
- phone: +5493517062879
- discord: luisitootv

- nicks:
- - layduhsanz - Winamax
- - layduhsanz - 888.com


Argentine player. He left the team and was supposed to return the bankroll ($217.58) and has not responded.

Name: Kristaps Voinikovs
Pokerstars: fight4myFAM
WPN :do8995
Chico: dogma44
Address: Strūžāni, Latvia
Email: kristapsvoinikovs@Inbox.lv / fuloflou@inbox.lv
Discord: kristaps#1022
Skype: da_nu_jus_visus



We started working with Kristaps Voinikovs on November 29, 2023.

From the beginning, we had problems with Kristaps Voinikovs behaving impulsively and playing in tournaments at buyins that were not allowed. There were a couple of instances where he used our funds to play casino games.

After many discussions and a setbacks where he accumulated some makeup he unilaterally decided to terminate the contract on September 8, 2024 - while still in makeup.

After an audit, we noticed unauthorized withdrawals that he admitted to making in order to start playing poker for himself.

The withdrawal amount was relatively low and we agreed on a payment plan. He made the first payment and subsequently claimed he couldn't make any more.

Kristaps Voinikovs owes us $2.4k

Name: Paraschiv Eduard

Pokerstars: Eduardnho11
GGPoker : Kenz01
Winamax: DeBrignac A.

Eduard joined Pocarr in November of 2023.

We started him at a lower ABI due to low recent volume. The plan was to increase his stakes if he consistently hits study/volume milestones, and has good results with above-average winrates. I clearly explained to him before he joined that the move ups are not automatic and there are several possible outcomes, including being moved down.

Eduard struggled for results at the start and grew frustrated with his stakes. Over the past several months, he has repeatedly missed study and volume milestones. His winrates were negative after WCOOP, and we had to reduce his stakes. Naturally, he wasn't happy about the move down.

After a recent call, he agreed to hit the study/volume milestones to show his renewed commitment, and then we'd offer additional coaching resources. Two weeks later, he made no progress on study, and volume was still off-pace. Our investors decided we cannot stake someone who cannot hit our agreed-upon minimum monthly milestones.

We chose to part ways with Eduard and asked him to return cash on hand. He replied that he'd get back to us in a few days. It's been over a week, and he has not returned any of the $1,495 he holds in his accounts.

Eduard owes $13,293.

GGNetwork - Hard Computer
PokerStars - Ovidiush
WPN - Richrich001
Winamax.fr - Chanceux113

mail: lungu.ovidiu92@yahoo.com
TG: @jajai13
Tel: +40 743 553 707
discord: ovidiush
The player has been a member of the fund since last year, but a month ago he stopped communicating. Disappeared with the fund's money.
the total amount of damage is 15657.46$

As per https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...wcoop-1840855/ redeyejedi owes me returns from the pack.

Bought 10% and sent twice to this user, after series no update and funds are still not settled, while he continues to play on PS on DANDYLION2323

Do NOT stake

VictorMorales
Victor Felipe Whitehead Morales
Telegram: +5511959897214
vfmorales2@gmail.com

Ник-GGNetwork
Thomasheldon
Ник-PokerStars
viirto
Ник-WPN
100mundialfc
Ник-iPoker
victorfwn
Ник-PokerStars.ES
victorfwn
Ник-Chico
victorr22
Ник-888Poker
victorr22
Betonline - tysir
Betsson - 4getxploded
Party poker - thomasheldon
https://www.vip-grinders.com/member/my-account/vfff
https://www.instagram.com/vmoraales/
Discord: Victormorales

victormorales.38@hotmail.com
vfmorales2@gmail.com

Stopped responding to messages. Debt 630$