Name: Michael Tomney

Pokerstars: DANDYLION2323
WPN: blacktheriver
888: amneisablood
PartyPoker: blacktheripper

Michael joined Pocarr in January 2024. Since joining he's consistently struggled to keep up with monthly volume and study milestones. After several warnings, in August 2024, we decided to part ways with Michael.

We informed Michael on August 22nd, and he replied 11 days later. He admitted that he no longer has the $359.59 of Pocarr funds in his accounts. He said he'd repay that amount over the next two months while trying to find a new backer.

Michael owes Pocarr $5,381.98.

Name: Veeti Matias Stenberg
Pokerstars: Freez96
GGpoker: Freez96
Pokerstars.es: imFreez
Party: imFreez
Address: Vanta / Finland
Email: veeti9696@gmail.com
Discord: imfreez.



We started working with Veeti Matias Stenberg on June 25, 2024.

Veeti Matias Stenberg abruptly stopped communicating with us in mid-July. He finally responded to us on July 26 saying he had been on a work trip and moved to a new apartment and everything would get updated shortly.

Since then we haven't heard from him and can only assume he stole the funds.

Veeti Matias Stenberg owes us $400

Name: Oscar Harding
- Country: GB
- email: Oscarcardz666@gmail.com / oscarcardz@outlook.com
- phone: ‪447564689947 Whatsapp
- discord: oscardakat666
- Outstanding Balance: U$ 259.10

- nicks:
- - 888.com : Riskywisky
- - partypoker : Oscardakat666

The player simply disappeared with his bankroll and has not responded to anyone through any means of communication for over a month. Outstanding Balance: 259.10

Lukas Pilipavicius
Country: Lithuania
Winamax: Shove&win
PS: Shove&lost
email: finlux388@gmail.com
discord: 1237959937267859484, llukenzo112_86646
debt: €2500

We hired him beginning of the summer, 2 weeks into the contract, Winamax suspended his account. It turned out that he clearly colluded with a friend when playing. Wina took away some bankroll from the account, but the account was re-opened.
After this we asked back for the bankroll, he said he is doing that and will do a chop process too, but never did either, finally stopped answering.

Unfortunately we found out a bit later that he was already in debt to a pool as well.

Kinda crazy someone would throw it away over a bad sesh. Youre a club owner or an agent in these games tho, seek out club admins and see if he dumped to himself or if IP's match with this suspected new account.

Name: Leonardo Rodriguez

- Country: Argentina
- email: ianleoale@hotmail.com / destro2251@outlook.es / ianleoale@gmail.com /
- phone: ‪543442527146 Whatsapp
- discord: _leonardorodriguez
- Outstanding Balance: U$ 287.16

- nicks:
- - 888.com : ocaso22
- - Winamax: hastaelfin

Argentinean Player. Sent part of the bankroll, but then stopped responding and blocked all means of communication. Outstanding Balance: $287.16

Name: Mario Contreras

- Country: Argentina
- email: contrerasmarioroberto@gmail.com dr.mariocontreras@yahoo.com.ar
- phone: ‪543624285684 Whatsapp
- discord: mariorobertocontreras
- Outstanding Balance: U$ 415.72

- nicks:
- - GG: Asmanga
- - WPN: Asmanga
- - 888.com: asmanga
- - Winamax: asmanga

Argentinean Player. Sent part of the bankroll, but then stopped responding and blocked all means of communication. Outstanding Balance: $415.72

Name: Andrés Matías di Pietro López
Pokerstars: AllinAndresQ
GGpoker: allinAndresQQ / JJquePomelo
WPN: JJquePomelo
Address: Montevideo / Uruguay
Email: dipietroandres2222@gmail.com / dipietroandres3333@gmail.com
Discord: andresdipietro



We started working with Andrés Matías di Pietro López on September 19, 2023.

Since the start Andres Matías had problems staying within his allowed limits and misplayed many games worth thousands of dollars.

After many warnings, which Andres ignored, he ended up misplaying $800 in tournaments within a 1 month span. We informed him that we'd be imposing a very moderate penalty of ~$150 since he was ignoring the warnings, and that the penalties would escalate if he continued to not follow his limits.

Andrés Matías di Pietro López instead said that he no longer wanted to work with us if we'd impose this penalty, and refused to buy out his makeup.

Since this last message Andrés Matías di Pietro López has continued playing without resolving the makeup situation.

We strongly recommend that you do not work with Andrés Matías di Pietro López

Andrés Matías di Pietro López owes us $2.9k

Name: Abdulrahman Alhakem (AKA Dooly)

Pokerstars (CA-ON): AAbdooly
WSOP/GG (CA-ON): dooiy
888 (CA-ON): abdooly
WPN: abdooly
TigerGaming: dooiy

Dooly joined Pocarr in April 2024. After the first month, we discovered that top-ups sent were not all deposited to poker sites, and that over $3k was missing. Additional he'd played several off-stake games that we didn't agree on and sold action for on-stake games.

He said the reason was that he was sloppy with financials, this was his first time being backed, and claimed it wasn't malicious.

He assured us that his father would easily cover any debt. So we paused the agreement until repayment of the stolen funds + bankroll funds + offstake games.

Dooly initially repaid part of the debt, but payments stopped recently. He informed us that he is broke and his father cannot repay.

Dooly owes Pocarr $5,425.

Name: Daniel Infante
TwoPlusTwo: BobbyPeru
State: Pennsylvania

Pokerstars - VLTRA888
MGM - ultra888
Borgata - ULTRA88
WSOP - ultra888

Daniel joined Imawhale in August 2023. The stake went well overall, until in early September he vanished running off with $14k in stake funds. He has not responded to any of our attempts to reach him via multiple channels.

bro got his height leaked ahahahha

- Name: Manuel Sequeira

- Country: Argentine
- email: niksunday@hotmail.com / niksunday2@gmail.com
- phone: ‪phone 5492323617925 Whatsapp
- discord: rampage223

- nicks:
- - 888 com : niksunday
- - Ps.com : ElGordoCat


Argentine Player. Player does not follow objectives and does not respect rules, total outstanding balance $ 641.70

- Name: Daiane Alves Passos

- Country: Brazil
- email: daianepassos01@outlook.com / daianealvpassos01@gmail.com
- phone: 5531993593242 Whatsapp
- discord: dai0124

- nicks:
- - 888 com : dai2104
- - Ps.com : dai2104


Brazilian Player. She took the money and didn't play for a single day, didn't answer anyone else and disappeared with the money.

Name: Timothy Lopez Hechanova

Pokerstars: timohechanova
GGPoker: chokehech
WPN: chokehech

Timothy joined Pocarr in May 2024. He agreed to paid $250 collateral upon joining due to low historic and recent MTT volume.

Upon joining Timothy struggled with study and volume. In September, he told us the grind is not for him and asked to part ways. I let him know if he's quitting poker, we won't ask him to repay Makeup, only to return Pocarr funds held in his accounts. I also informed him that we wouldn't return the collateral.

Timothy has not returned the $137.85 he holds.

We waived our early termination penalty and only asked for him to send us back our funds. He has refused.

Timothy owes Pocarr $137.85

As we suspected since the beginning, Robert Mathews is a total fraude, and he was never wiling to pay a cent back. After two delays, we never heard of him again. Just joined the team to scam the initial bankrolls. Never played a day, received the bankrolls, told us he had a weekend of with wife's family, returned on monday saying his dog had a problem and took the bankrolls to pay for the vet care. One of the most stupid excuses I've ever heard. Here on this forum he goes by the name of @kingmathews

What was the collateral for?

So from what you post it seems like you back the player but ask them for a collateral because you aren't sure he is a wining player?

So under what conditions would the collateral be used?

You also mention a early termination penalty, whats that? Can you please go into details?

"I let him know if he's quitting poker, we won't ask him to repay Makeup, only to return Pocarr funds held in his accounts. I also informed him that we wouldn't return the collateral."

You wont ask him to cover makeup if he quits? Its industry standard to put make up on hiatus if a horse quits poker. You just have right of first refusal for his action in case he decides to take up poker at a later point in time.

For what reason would you not return the collateral? is that the early termination penalty you talked about?

What exactly does this collateral cover? there has to be some limitations as to what it can be used for.

Was the collateral returend to the horse or not?

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We ask for collateral when the risk is too high to make a standard offer. In this example, the players' results were good, but their volume was low compared to our standards.

We offered to re-evaluate an offer without collateral after 1k MTTs played or proceed with collateral. Timothy chose to proceed with collateral, knowing that if he can't keep up with volume, we are within our right to part ways and keep collateral. In this case, he chose to part ways, and all we asked for was for him to return cash on hand.

The early termination penalty is the minimum buyout to end the agreement early ($2,500). We have a high retention rate and rarely have to negotiate buyouts.

- Name: André Brito

- Country: Portugal
- email: andrefrvb2@gmail.com / andrefrvb@hotmail.com
- phone: 963251384 Whatsapp
- discord: bbrutus.

- nicks:
- - Ps FRES : Andrefb95
- - 888.pt : Andrefb95
- - GG : BBrutus
- - Ipoker (EUR): Andrefb95


Player from Portugal. Out of control, does not follow the team's instructions, does not respect buyins. Freefall. Outstanding Balance: $ 5135.08

Jesus ****ing Christ I can't imagine how desperate someone would have to be to do business with an organisation as predatory as yours after your last couple posts taking collateral from busto players you're staking up front then refusing to return it when they quit poker and publicly shaming the horse on top of that when the amount of money in his account is less than the collateral HE ALREADY PAID YOU UPFRONT and he's quit poker

Like sure, some horses are gonna be scumbags but poor Timothy, you owe him $112.15 if anything morally speaking what you are doing is reprehensible here like yeah, sure, he's technically in the wrong for agreeing to it in the first place but...

You're like a payday loan company preying on the desperate, absolute scum behaviour if this is how Pocarr does business and I say this as someone who has both been backed and backed people at decent stakes with no issues in both poker and sports betting.

No, I don't know the horse and have never interacted with him in any way. I've also never done business with or interacted with Pocarr in any way and have no association with any competitor stables.

Yes, i'm here to call out scumbag backer behaviour as well as scumbag horse behaviour.

You absolutely would have first rights to his action should he ever return to playing but for ****s sake, a line has to be drawn on what constitutes unethical offers as far as backing goes and while sure, the horse is stupid for agreeing in the first place, this is scumbag predatory behaviour by Pocarr here.

Mods if my post is against the rules by all means remove it but someone has to call Pocarr out for this.

- Name: Otabek Sharipov

- Country: Uzbekistan
- email: ztel1313@gmail.com
- phone: 998946302232 Whatsapp
- discord: ssmoto

- nicks:
- - GG: OTB13
- - 888.com: sfmoto
- - Chico: ssmoto


The player robbed small amounts of money from banks every month, totaling approximately $600. When questioned, he said it was a family emergency and agreed to pay the debt in 2 weeks... waiting.

thank you very much for the clarifications.

Is the buy out and collateral depending on the ts

So did you keep his collateral or did you send back the 250?

because although he seemingly agreed to a absolute insane contract if you keep the 250 you have gotten your pound of flesh out of the guy and should just back off in my opinion.

You guys are the worst. These type of contracts would be outlawed in every regulated environment you are one step above slave drivers.

Do you at least have contracts and negotiations in peoples mother languages because these terms are so outrageous I have to question if players understand them before agreeing to them.

To ask for a collateral that you can keep if he doesn't play enough is so unbelievable. i am shocked that 2+2 would allow you to advertise here and use the forum as a tool to put pressure on the poor sods that ran away from your unethical business practises.

Could not agree more. This is the most unethical business practises i have head about in a long time. I am shocked this is allowed on here back in the olden days when i was active these guys would have been run out of town immediately.

I think actually we should start a About the forums thread on this. I for one think its outrageous that a company like this is not only allowed to advertise on here but wield 2=2s reach as a weapon to keep their slaves in line.

Pay the poor Timothy back his money wtf !

Name : pocarr staking
country : probably east euro / russia

scams their horses when they wanna leave

There is nothing wrong with Pocarr asking for collateral. Almost all companies do the same.

I have no leg in the game but I have to call this out.

Quite simply put

No they don't