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07-08-2024 , 03:31 PM
Mocanu Dan
Romania

Nickname: mocla2 (pokerstars)

Email: mocanu_dan_laurentiu@yahoo.com
Phone number: +40/0765514936

The player owes reports to the pool and the amount of 231$
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07-09-2024 , 08:03 AM
Name Christophe Daugier
Country France
Residence 5 rue Racine 02100 Saint Quentin
Birth Date 1992-09-08
Discord 1212509098860482601 (deleted?)
Mail cdaugier@gmail.com
Phone number +0783046979

Weird case, he joined in March, 1 chop, then went awol, no answer anywhere. Despite of multiple requests, he did not asked any bankroll from us. so we dodged a bullet there. No money lost, however he did use our content, were in coachings, coaches spent considerable time with him.
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07-09-2024 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Junebug33


So we hired him in 2023 October, knowing about his MU with a pool and his previous backer, we talked together with them and agreed that he can play with us, we back him and he pays them from his shares.
He did 1 chop for about 1.5k, none after that. he sent this year an audit there was like 30k money movement on the account he said he was exchanging for friend crypto etc, but the withdrawals were more. also according to the pool, he was up for the total period with EV, and he had like 8k rb during that the time as well, still he did not have anything on the account.
he denied everything, and said he only owes 1k, no idea after what calculations. later came back now it was only -200$, while he received $5250 bankroll.
also he played unapproved mtts and cash games, from which he withdrew 1-2K, but he was down in those in total so again, it just added to the debt. he became very arrogant, told him 100x time to do a chop, he didnt do it. told him he broke the contract, and owes us the bankroll, so we dont even ask for any more.
In October 2023, I entered into a mutual understanding and contractual agreement with BITB SPINS, which has unfortunately led to several misunderstandings and disputes. I wish to address these issues clearly and factually to correct any misrepresentations and to clarify my stance on the resolution of our disagreements.

Contractual Commitments and Early Termination: BITB SPINS prematurely terminated our agreement, ceasing their support which was necessary for me to play and potentially recover from losses. This action hindered my ability to fulfill our agreed-upon objectives and repay personal losses, which amounted to only $200.43.

Clarification on Financial Discrepancies: Contrary to the claims of a $30K discrepancy, the actual amount under repayment as per our agreement with Steel Phoenix is $3,656. This correction is crucial for an accurate understanding of the financial aspects of our dispute and trying to show me in very bad light.

Misrepresentations of Approved Activities: The MTTs I participated in were approved under our agreement. I categorically deny participating in any unauthorised cash games, as has been falsely claimed.

Professional Conduct and Communication: Throughout this process, I have faced significant unprofessionalism. BITB forced me to used their mail which they were not able to configure. I was not getting mails for about 3 months and all of my communication with Pokerstars I had to ask Peter on dm to send any message and use him as proxy between me and Pokerstars. For instance, my suggestion using his owner - Patrick Leonard as an example in discussions to illustrate possible outcomes and not to demean, like I could stake him on WSOP and when he hits some losses I want ALL THEY MONEY BACK (intentionally large font to show Peter mind) but when he will win some cash I don't mind taking my part ! Hey it's just business no losses !

Financial Audits and Record Keeping: I have maintained transparency with all financial records and the results of audits. Despite this, misunderstandings persist due to some parties' unfamiliarity with basic data formats, complicating the clarity of financial dealings.

Scheduling and Availability for Meetings: I remain committed to resolving these issues amicably and am available for meetings post-6 PM on weekdays or anytime on weekends, accommodating my full-time job responsibilities.

Consequences and Future Caution: The lack of support and decision to prematurely terminate the contract by BITB SPINS resulted in my expulsion from the PokerStars VIP program, a significant professional and financial setback that far outweighs any backing provided.

Postscriptum: It is with a heavy heart that I address the conduct of certain BITB SPINS employee Peter aka kptii1 (https://www.instagram.com/kptii1), which has lacked a basic understanding of decorum and professional treatment. It is especially disheartening given that their employers are personal friends of mine in real life. Despite my openness to reasonable resolutions, the interactions have been marred by rudeness and an outright refusal to engage constructively. This situation serves as a reminder of the importance of professionalism and respect in all business interactions.

It is also vital for the community to be aware of the risks involved in agreements where terms might not be fully honored, potentially leading to significant unilateral decisions and consequences.
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07-09-2024 , 02:10 PM
Name: Niko Antonnen

Pokerstars: Naikhou
Pokerstars.es: PilsnerBoy667
GGPoker: Igluz
iPoker: OkayDokie2000
WPN: Naikhou
Winamax: n1ghtclothez
888: Naiklez
PartyPoker: Lakanatroolari


Niko joined Pocarr in December 2017. We provided monthly pre-chop loans to him starting in January 2021. In October 2022, we discovered that he was not updating his rail accurately and had stolen $4.7k.

We reduced stakes, added the stolen funds to Makeup, and gave him a second chance after he apologized. Regretfully, since then, Niko has accumulated over $40k Makeup from loans and losses at the table. Now Niko has admitted to again stealing the nearly $6k he had falsely listed in accounts over several months.

With all trust lost, we can no longer stake Niko.

Niko owes Pocarr the full amount of $40,182.12 + $5,943.51 = $46,125.63.
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07-10-2024 , 07:23 PM
Name: Joshua Lutz / Shane Ralston (?)
Screename: ImWhalin0ut
Telegram: @ImawhaleSports
2+2: ThermsJ

Has been a client of my agency for quite a while but decided to send legitimate transfer receipts then cancel the transaction another way.
Total lost: $1940

He even tried to send $1.5k through this method and get chips on ClubGG/PokerBros but I decided to take a step back and was the right decision. Was a good client for over 6-7 months.
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07-11-2024 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Raphael Nogueira
Name: Joshua Lutz / Shane Ralston (?)
Screename: ImWhalin0ut
Telegram: @ImawhaleSports
2+2: ThermsJ

Has been a client of my agency for quite a while but decided to send legitimate transfer receipts then cancel the transaction another way.
Total lost: $1940

He even tried to send $1.5k through this method and get chips on ClubGG/PokerBros but I decided to take a step back and was the right decision. Was a good client for over 6-7 months.
If you search for posts including

"Joshua Lutz"

you will find ten or so posts about his alleged scams, going all the way back to 2009.
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07-12-2024 , 05:18 PM
- Name: Francisco Romero

- Nationality: Argentine
- email: franmromero@gmail.com
- phone: +54 93875660493
- discord: .franromero

- pokerstarsES: PakoCandela
- GG: p4kitt077
- 888.com: Ricardo4bet
- Chico: p4kitt077

Player for 1 year made small withdrawals so no one noticed the theft. It was detected in an internal audit. Debit balance U$1682.47
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07-13-2024 , 08:59 AM

Player simply stopped responding. We tried to contact him but he blocked all means of contact. Balance due $464.39.
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07-14-2024 , 02:01 AM
Name: Kiril Stoyanov Bakalov

Pokerstars: Cacao347 / SpeedyGonzales0
Pokerstars.es:
iPoker: VERGEL98B
WPN: Vergel98
PartyPoker: vergel9877 / Кирил Бакалов


Kiril joined Pocarr in February 2021. He excelled from the start, but starting in October 2022, he needed monthly pre-chop loans. We agreed since it was a small amount and he was one of our hardest workers.

Kiril started to play live events on-stake starting in May 2023. He caught the live bug and requested more live events, but didn't inform us that he could not afford the travel expenses. Instead, He started cashing out bankroll funds to cover his expenses without our knowledge. He was falsely listing the site totals to cover these losses.

We found numbers off in June and requested a full audit. Kiril cooperated, provided all that we requested, and admitted to stealing over the past several months. He also admitted that he had moved and paid four months' rent with bankroll funds in May 2024. While we appreciate him coming clean and admitting his mistake, the risk is too high to continue staking him.

Kiril owes $25,295.
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07-15-2024 , 12:29 PM
I am reading this for so many times and i just dont get it.What's the use of the contract if you cant enforce the stakee to pay back whatever it's debt?Why dont you make teams in the country you have stakees and enforce the contracts based on those countries laws
If you also stake someone to play,why would you expect make up in return?
i.e If i play on GG and i sell some % of my game and i lose,am i supposed to send back to the investors?

P.S If someone needs to collect money from Romania,i will be able to assist you
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07-16-2024 , 01:04 PM
József Liszkovics

Stars: glu77ps
Winamax: leCoq.fr
party: welcome.bonus (pp_Thadaaaa)

email: liszkopoker@yahoo.com
skype: Liszkovics Joco

The player reported difficulties with money, so we agreed on a small delay in the transfer. In the end, we received $200 over the entire period. The total debt amount is $2512.
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07-25-2024 , 11:13 AM
- Name: Maxence Cingu

- Country: Belgium
- email: maxcingu@hotmail.com and Maxence.cingu@gmail.com
- phone: ‪+52 984 277 9065‬ Whatsapp
- discord: Charo#6553

- nicks: charo , elcharo666 , CharoMoulaga , Chichiporro and PepperMintBaby


Player disappeared with the stands and makeup. Debit balance $6951.09
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07-26-2024 , 02:32 PM
Name: Javier Alejandro Basile / Claudio Juan Ariel Basile
Pokerstars: ale4550
GGpoker: ale1976
Address: Buenos Aires - Argentina
Email: francescabas2018@gmail.com / a63354140@gmail.com
Discord: ajbasile
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/javieraleja...ibextid=ZbWKwL



We started working with Javier Alejandro Basile on May 15, 2023.

Javier Alejandro stopped communicating with us once he accumulated a relatively small amount of makeup, and presumably stole the site balances he had.

Recently "another person", Claudio Juan Ariel Basile, with an address a couple of houses away from Javier applied using the same Pokerstars account and HHs.

Claudio claims that he never worked with us before.

Javier Alejandro Basile owes us $470.

We wanted to warn backers about both individuals, as they're likely related and working together.
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08-04-2024 , 12:00 PM
- Name: Joăo Tonioli

- Country: Brazil
- email: joaotonioli99@gmail.com
- phone: ‪+5519998108328‬ Whatsapp
- discord: tonioli1

- nicks:
- - ps.com : toniolii1
- - IPoker (Eur): Tonioli


Player disappeared with the bankrool and makeup. Debit balance $419.60
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08-06-2024 , 07:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrobson
In October 2023, I entered into a mutual understanding and contractual agreement with BITB SPINS, which has unfortunately led to several misunderstandings and disputes. I wish to address these issues clearly and factually to correct any misrepresentations and to clarify my stance on the resolution of our disagreements.

Contractual Commitments and Early Termination: BITB SPINS prematurely terminated our agreement, ceasing their support which was necessary for me to play and potentially recover from losses. This action hindered my ability to fulfill our agreed-upon objectives and repay personal losses, which amounted to only $200.43.

Clarification on Financial Discrepancies: Contrary to the claims of a $30K discrepancy, the actual amount under repayment as per our agreement with Steel Phoenix is $3,656. This correction is crucial for an accurate understanding of the financial aspects of our dispute and trying to show me in very bad light.

Misrepresentations of Approved Activities: The MTTs I participated in were approved under our agreement. I categorically deny participating in any unauthorised cash games, as has been falsely claimed.

Professional Conduct and Communication: Throughout this process, I have faced significant unprofessionalism. BITB forced me to used their mail which they were not able to configure. I was not getting mails for about 3 months and all of my communication with Pokerstars I had to ask Peter on dm to send any message and use him as proxy between me and Pokerstars. For instance, my suggestion using his owner - Patrick Leonard as an example in discussions to illustrate possible outcomes and not to demean, like I could stake him on WSOP and when he hits some losses I want ALL THEY MONEY BACK (intentionally large font to show Peter mind) but when he will win some cash I don't mind taking my part ! Hey it's just business no losses !

Financial Audits and Record Keeping: I have maintained transparency with all financial records and the results of audits. Despite this, misunderstandings persist due to some parties' unfamiliarity with basic data formats, complicating the clarity of financial dealings.

Scheduling and Availability for Meetings: I remain committed to resolving these issues amicably and am available for meetings post-6 PM on weekdays or anytime on weekends, accommodating my full-time job responsibilities.

Consequences and Future Caution: The lack of support and decision to prematurely terminate the contract by BITB SPINS resulted in my expulsion from the PokerStars VIP program, a significant professional and financial setback that far outweighs any backing provided.

Postscriptum: It is with a heavy heart that I address the conduct of certain BITB SPINS employee Peter aka kptii1 (https://www.instagram.com/kptii1), which has lacked a basic understanding of decorum and professional treatment. It is especially disheartening given that their employers are personal friends of mine in real life. Despite my openness to reasonable resolutions, the interactions have been marred by rudeness and an outright refusal to engage constructively. This situation serves as a reminder of the importance of professionalism and respect in all business interactions.

It is also vital for the community to be aware of the risks involved in agreements where terms might not be fully honored, potentially leading to significant unilateral decisions and consequences.


nice to see you found yourself here!

I will disregard the personal attacks, you do what you do..

The data we had was directly from Steelphoenix, not made up numbers. If you paid pad since, ok, but this was your debt at that time, to them.
MTTs: while you asked it afterwards so not much to do, it was ok to play. However it's hard to understand how do you cash out from a game where you are -2k in total? So the cashout further creates a bankroll deficit. Which should be from your own, as we did not participate in MTTs. so where do you get the 200 debt from? seems like a joke, or you take everyone a fool.

You played also other games, from company bankroll, you said yourself.

And also from the pool, spin results should have been in profit , easily with RB, still no chop was done.

you can paint it as you want, we got no part from spin winning, you punted away out bankroll on mtts (which you just completely ignore?), after while you make it difficult to continue this circus.
We sent you 5.2k, you up in results, we received nothing back from the bankroll, and you owe 200? good and expensive entertainment
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08-06-2024 , 02:05 PM
Name: Zachary Andrew Young
Country: Lives in Phillipines from Canada
Email: canadianliberty1@gmail.com
telegram: @praypoker
Twoplustwo: franklymydearirais

DO NOT STAKE

Walked out of stake in mu

Started backing Zack around two weeks ago on clubs on clubgg. He quickly impressed me and my staking partner on all the levels. week one he played well and ran really hot and made a lot of profit around 6.5k on the stake . Week two we started to offer more trust to zach as he proved to make generally mature choices on game selection shot selection play shots etc. So week two we let him play a little higher. The first day started normal he was playing up to 400plo being cautious of risking to much asking us if its ok to stay in 400plo game when he was up not to risk to much, altho we let him know its fine but if hes not comfortable can always leave the table. he won like 80bbs more and left tables with profit.

After this is where it went all down hill very very fast within an hour. He started playing 200plo like an hour after that an went on to go on his first real downswing of the stake i sweated tables he ran really prob tilted off stack in one spot but most was pure variance. he ended up being down 3.2k in about an hour andlogged off after session and since then has not been back. We did not have an issue he lost as 3k swing is quite normal at these stakes but how he handled it and disappeared.

To me its pretty clear he did one of two things, died or got seriously injured that night after the session or walked out on the stake and went to own dime those said games or play on another deal. Now there is a new player playing same games he did same hours and same style since he left when he was the only real reg of those tables before.

With that said i feel Zack is just completely in it for himself and cannot be trusted as a stakee despite owning many qualities a backer is looking for. We were definitely open and happy to build a long term relation with zack in buying his action staking etc and wanted to bring him to even bigger games in other clubs but he very quickly blew that.

If you do chat with me zach i may be open to removing this, Its ok if you want to leave a stake but this is not how you handle it.

Last edited by BRAYD3N; 08-06-2024 at 02:13 PM.
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08-06-2024 , 02:09 PM
I'm not actually in makeup because you didn't pay me $1500 of my share of profits from the first week (we had 6k total profits, my share was 3k, I only got paid $1500). Since a payment to me of $1500 represents $3000 in gross winnings, we're basically even. If anything I have $200 in makeup which should be balanced by the rakeback + reverse tax I accumulated on day 1 week 2. Anyway, I agree my communication should have been better but trust me it is in both of our interests that I stopped playing when I did. Anyway, I really don't think I did anything wrong. I put in a solid week for you, long hours every day when I was playing good and crushing it. Then I started running really bad. And yes, by the end of the downswing, I was not playing my best. So I stopped. I did the math, saw that with my losses and the money I wasn't paid we were even and put an end to it before I lost any more. If anything you should be thanking me for stopping when I did.


And I assure you, I have not been playing in that club on my own dime.

Last edited by franklymydearirais; 08-06-2024 at 02:18 PM.
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08-06-2024 , 03:04 PM
Yes main issue is the communication. if u woulda done same end there and say xx is covering xx its different also your payout was routed to go to u still. We cut it before knowing if u were coming back or not to be safe but you could of freerolled us too.

Had u told us what u were doing we would of been fine with it and continue supporting u on poker journey as reference or to buy action in the future. This way of action is not how you handle stakes.

You did have a very good first week and as i said you impressed us as a horse and player in general all around until the end. Also yes a believe there may of been good reason for in that sense i trust your judgement but this really isnt the way to handle i can understand though feeling of bringing that information to someone can make the nerves go.

Im happy to delete this all if u just simply communicate with us we dont want anything else from, you dont need to play or pay back something but simple communcation. its not right to go on your biggest loss on a stake and just completely dip out no word.

I also curious why u think its best for both or what was actually happening with you that we are unaware of. If you want send us a message and we can peacefuly close and clear this up.

Last edited by BRAYD3N; 08-06-2024 at 03:15 PM.
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08-06-2024 , 03:25 PM
I appreciate the opportunity you gave me to work with you, and the support you extended during our brief business arrangement. I really enjoyed hanging out with you guys online and being a part of the stable. We had an incredible run, but reversion to the mean is real, and sometimes you just have to quit while you're still ahead. I wish you guys nothing but the best in your poker careers.
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08-08-2024 , 09:30 AM
Name: Roberto Maximiliano Machado Perez
Pokerstars: LALOLANDAUY
GGpoker: NINOUY / LALOLANDAUY10
WPN: LALOLANDAUY
Address: San Carlos / Uruguay
Email: flexso@outlook.es / lalosbe1@hotmail.com
Discord: lalolandauy
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MaxiiMachado.vavaaa
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lalomachadoo/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/lalomachadoo



We started working with Roberto Maximiliano Machado Perez on March 31, 2023.

A few days ago Roberto told us he had decided not to play anymore because he had financial problems that were causing him issues with his partner.

We explained that he could quit poker but his contract would be still active and makeup would still be owed. Until makeup was resolved he wouldn’t be able to play poker for himself or others.

He agreed to this. Then, the same day he returned all the held funds, he started to play on pokerstars again.

Roberto Maximiliano Machado Perez owes us $1k.
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08-08-2024 , 05:53 PM
- Name: Eduardo Vargas

- Country: Paraguay
- email: eduasvargas@gmail.com edulapcvargas@gmail.com
- phone: ‪+595961235588‬ Whatsapp
- discord: .pokerlz

- nicks:
- - ps.com : LaPC
- - 888 com : MiningGold
- - GG : MiningGold


Paraguayan player, asked to leave the team, during the exit audit he blocked everyone and stopped responding. Outstanding balance US$ 1154.13.
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08-09-2024 , 01:41 PM
Name: Vilian Pavanatto
Pokerstars: PavanaTTo23
GGpoker: Jooogasidi
Winamax: PavanaTTo23
PS.es.fr.it: Pavana23
Ipoker: PortaoSE7E
WPN: POR7AOSE7E1909
888: Pavanatto23
Party: OMGnooooace
Address: Rio Grande do Sul / Brazil
Email: pavanatto23@gmail.com / pavanatto23poker@gmail.com
Discord: pavanatto23
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vpavanatto



We started working with Vilian Pavanatto on May 17, 2024.

We decided to stop working with the player due to poor performance on various metrics and as he became more difficult to work and communicate with.

Vilian Pavanatto had some problems withdrawing from one of his accounts, we attempted to provide support but it became difficult when the Vilian would only respond with 1 word answers and then started to ignore attempts to contact him and try to resolve the situation.

Vilian Pavanatto owes us $3.9k
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08-10-2024 , 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Junebug33
nice to see you found yourself here!

I will disregard the personal attacks, you do what you do..

The data we had was directly from Steelphoenix, not made up numbers. If you paid pad since, ok, but this was your debt at that time, to them.
MTTs: while you asked it afterwards so not much to do, it was ok to play. However it's hard to understand how do you cash out from a game where you are -2k in total? So the cashout further creates a bankroll deficit. Which should be from your own, as we did not participate in MTTs. so where do you get the 200 debt from? seems like a joke, or you take everyone a fool.

You played also other games, from company bankroll, you said yourself.

And also from the pool, spin results should have been in profit , easily with RB, still no chop was done.

you can paint it as you want, we got no part from spin winning, you punted away out bankroll on mtts (which you just completely ignore?), after while you make it difficult to continue this circus.
We sent you 5.2k, you up in results, we received nothing back from the bankroll, and you owe 200? good and expensive entertainment
What you're saying is full of incorrect and manipulated information, which is not surprising given your past actions. You've repeatedly presented false facts in both this and previous matters. You couldn’t even open and verify the CSV audit file, which only confirms the lack of reliability in your approach. You deleted inconvenient private messages and removed me from chats where all the crucial information was contained, further demonstrating your dishonesty.

Additionally, I was forced to set your email address on my PokerStars account, to which I had no access. Due to this lack of access, I was unable to accurately calculate the missing MTT buy-ins, where the final result was -$200.83, as confirmed by a PokerStars employee who sent the calculations directly to the email. At this point, I should be making financial claims against you for the loss of my prestigious VIP status on PokerStars, the loss of significant rakeback, and the fee for freezing the account, which far exceeds the value of the MU. I always intended and tried to recover the MU, as is standard practice in contract terms. However, you chose your own path, so stop slandering me in public opinion, as you are untrustworthy and unworthy of expressing such opinions.
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08-11-2024 , 04:56 PM
- Name: Carlos André Reis Pinho

- Country: Portugal
- email: andre_xerife@hotmail.com
- phone: ‪phone 918048700 Whatsapp
- discord: xerife1987

- nicks:
- - ps FRES : xerife1987
- - 888 com : xerife15
- - GG : xerife15


Says he is traveling for work and going through a separation and personal problems and that he will return in August, but he does not return the benches, does not do/respond to the audits and has stopped responding to everyone. Outstanding Balance US$ 2084.30
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08-14-2024 , 01:54 PM


- Name: Maksym Medvid

- Country: Ukraine
- email: maksimmedvid@gmail.com
- phone: ‪phone 380679224080 Whatsapp
- discord: textures777

- nicks:
- - 888 com : textures777
- - GG : bustanut693


Ukrainian player, joined the team and two days after taking the bank he disappeared, deleting and blocking everyone. Outstanding balance US$ 60.00
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