The Steel Phoenix pool has no claims on the player

what does this mean? there's a few different ways to interpret this

Pokerstars - Murdoch25

I may or may not add more info in the future.

I staked the player for about 8 months without any problems.

One day to the other he disappeared without any notice. 1 months later, I got an email by him stating he needed time off due to gambling/alcohol issues. Wheter the funds went to these issues or not is still unknown to me. We had a chat on Discord after his email and he played a few tourneys after, but has gone completely MIA again since (about 1 month now) and also has not played since. I did not worry about the funds at the time and still have hope it resolves eventually due to high reliability before that point, but this post is to warn potential backers if I am wrong and if he may seek staking somewhere else (which is not impossible obviously).

Amount owed, if so, is $891 (total MU), of which $485 were in accounts as of last update.

One more and probably last update about this - after some time Prokatana on Pokerstars alias Ionut Alexandru Catana from Borosov/Romania had kept contacting me promising to pay back after I wanted to end the stake.

First he told me he can't send me the money because he was on Vacation (despite playing the sunday storm anniversary and multiple sats to it, ensuring he had internet access) and he would send me the money when he returns.
A week after he sent me a fishy screenshot, him telling me that his account is blocked (and he doesn't know why that happened). At the top of the screen it even showed him being logged in. Since I pointed that out, I never heard from him again.

Definately by far the most delusional person I ever had to deal with, and wheter it's money related or something else, I would advise not to deal with him.

Do not stake ProKatana // Ionut Alexandru Catana from Brasov.

Since I still have seemingly close Facebook contacts of him screenshoted (although I cannot see the profiles on his profile anymore, because he removed me) I may take further measures in the future.

Dear Felipe

From where i can see we didnt reach an agreement, maybe its a just a misscomunication problem.
You guys made me a trial with 10usd so i could play 0.55 to 1.65 usd tournaments. In any momento we discussed about winnings or losses. More so, yo guys told me that the 10usd where a gift for being in the pre selection. Clearly you guys have terrible ethics when it comes to money and the way you work. I just felt disgusted when players of cardroom told me i would be ghosted every tournament when there where 25 people left. You should have told me that the winnings would be Split before we start a deal, but know, you waited for me to profit 200$ and then, you just went crazy.
You have my phone, you can contact me any time to settle this.
PS: You should be the one getting negative feedback for ghosting.

Pokerstars: shinerseb

worked out repayment plan but yet to receive anything, will update if do

Christiani13 on pokerstars is the name of the guy, he is from Romania. We staked him (Rivers staking group) for a while, and when he was 1200$ in makeup he just stopped answering to anyone. So yeah just giving you a heads up. His name is Stefan, i don't know his last name.

Name: Heitor Camargos
Pokerstars: HeitorCEC
PS.es: Sujir0 Kifuja
Party: HeitorCEC/Are Baba/forgetts
888: HeitorSilva
Betkings: RacaNegra
Betsson: ko4ko
Pokerkings: timetoflip / ForgeTTs
Adress: Patos de Minas / Brasil
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/heitor.camargos
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heitorcamargoss/
Email : heitor-camargos@hotmail.com / heitor.camargoss@gmail.com
Discord: HeitorCEC#0330
Skype: Heitor "HeitorCEC" Camargos



We have been working with Heitor Camargos since February, 2017.

Starting around a year ago Heitor Camargos started playing games outside his limits and expressed that he strongly disagreed with the limits we allowed him to play.

Over the last year, he started playing games that he wasn't allowed to play more and more often adding up to significant portions of his total buyins monthly. After many ignored warnings we finally asked him to return all funds so that we could have a serious discussion about what was going on. He was extremely unhappy that we did this during SCOOP.

We explained that we view intentionally registering games we don't want you to play as a form of stealing. Heitor Camargos's reply was essentially that this is fine as long as he makes money in those games (overall he hasn't made money in the misplayed games and he doesn't have the ability to repay us if he loses).

We explained that by consistently and intentionally breaching our agreement it made it very difficult to continue working with Heitor Camargos.

Heitor Camargos refused to commit to staying within his limits, saying he preferred to quit in makeup because we were wrong to ask for funds back in the middle of SCOOP.

Heitor Camargos is quitting in significant makeup.

Heitor Camargos owes us $11.8k

Anything to comment about my post above? how did you get my email address and why was I subbed to your mailing list when I never gave you guys my email?

We sent you a DM addressing your concerns.

Name: Claudio Andre Cardoso Da Rosa
Pokerstars: manooa7
Party: ComiQmTalendo
888: miro1968
GG: miro1968
Ipoker: manooa7, 3betnodoutor
Chico: 3betnodoutor
WPN: manooa7, 3betnodoutor
Adress: Charqueadas, RS
Email : cludiocardoso7@gmail.com or miro1968
Discord: claudiocardoso#1258
Skype: live:cludiocardoso7

Claudio asked for advance payments and disappeared with a bankroll.
Claudio owes us $5.9k

The player paid everything he owed

Name: Lucas Leonardo Vera Lopez
Pokerstars: GmEspigon
Betkings: bet!AllinMTF
GGPoker: Chamigo
Pokerkings: Ibetyoufoldthx
Winamax: Chamigo
Adress: Corrientes / Argentina
Twitter: https://twitter.com/LucasLeonardoV2
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lucasleonardoveralopez/
Email: lucasleonardoveralopez@gmail.com
Discord: NippurDeLagash#3245



We started working with Lucas Leonardo Vera Lopez on June 28, 2021.

Everything went relatively smoothly - apart from some isolated incidents where he transferred money to other accounts without permission of anyone on the team - until Lucas Leonardo Vera Lopez faced his first downswing.

Over the last few months Lucas Leonardo Vera Lopez kept reducing his volume and communication until he disappeared completely and now no longer responds to messages.

During the last few months he also increasingly started playing games he wasn't supposed to.

We strongly discourage anyone from working with Lucas Leonardo Vera Lopez.

Hello ,

I find this thread unethical due to the lack of business morals of these staking stables

Let me explain to you this :

People who need a stake are desperate (and having some life issues vast majority of time) , some of them are doing okay , others are not .

Making money on desperate people and then putting out these stories of desperate people not paying what they own and putting their faces out is laughable . When it comes down to lending money to idiots for gambling .

Anyone reasonable European person would make 1599 bucks at a warehouse job and live at his grandmother and take it from there .

Not get himself to a bad deal with some staking group .

StandardBacking my personal wish is you guys get scammed more often !

Do ya think

You changed your post after realized it probably is that way.

If you lend money to someone for gambling and do some background checks , ensure it kind of make sense what he is about to do (which I'm sure most stakers do) - then still ending up getting their money stolen at a frequent ratio (so often that they need a thread to complain about it . What does this mean is their customer base is corrupted by default because lending money for gambling is by default silly / grey area . They give money to people who have issues and they know it and then they make this toxic thread to complain , post personal info etc. which I find a bit ridiculous .

Anyone would play with their own money if they could do so for very obvious reasons.

He uses ID and Stars account of Beidaut Stefania
email: beidaut@gmail.com
skype: live:.cid.e8bffdcdbd2feba4

Beidaut came to our pool in January 2022. We noticed the name Marian Alexandru during passing reports, searched it here and found information about scam

In May 2022 I staked a player, “Arsen Lisak”, for a total of $2000, playing NL50 Zoom on PokerStars. I now believe it to be the same person as in this earlier post #4613:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4614

-due to the identical name.

My stakee claimed to be from Czech Republic, as opposed to Romania. But I have some reason to doubt this since he appeared vague when I mentioned Prague, and one email he sent contained some Cyrillic characters.

Plays as Hlubocinka on PokerStars.

Email: arsenliscz@gmail.com
Skype: live:.cid.83d58e4a445ce70f

It’s now clear that the player provided manipulated HH files to overstate his losses, in order to justify topups.* Following massive losses after the second top up (in just a few days) I looked more closely at the HH files and saw a number of big losing pots had happened multiple times.

One example:



I do not know how much, if at all, he actually played. He rarely made himself available to speak on Skype except in the early hours of the morning when I was asleep, and was generally evasive following the first top-up. I finally ended the staking when he refused to share his screen, after many requests, so I could look at his PokerStars cashier history or otherwise investigate exactly what was going on.

* (I think he likely provided overstated win graphs/hand histories initially, to induce me to stake him, since I later discovered duplicate hands in the initial hand sample).

Name: Thomas Lawrence
Screennames:
PokerStars: 88pro88
GG: 88PRO
888: 8888PRO
iPoker: 8888PRO8

In December of 2020, Tommy chose to part ways, returned COH, and we set up a repayment plan for a minimum of $100/month until he got back on his feet. The total amount to be repaid was $10,167.

Tommy followed this plan for the first five monthly payments. He then cited health and financial troubles and asked to put off the payments for a couple of months, we agreed. We didn't hear from Tommy for four months, and during this time, he profited online.

Tommy then restarted payment in January, February, and March of 2022. On April 11th, 2022, he asked for a 30-day extension, which we granted. We have not heard back since April 11th after multiple attempts to contact him.

Tommy owes us $9,367.

Keywords: 88pro88

After giving Craig a second chance, he's gone missing again. We have reached out to Craig multiple times and have received no response for several weeks.

He owes us $32,059.

Keywords: craigaces21

Name: Renato Vazquez
Pokerstars: legnava
Betkings: Mr_otaner
Address: Mexico City / Mexico
Email: ravg000@hotmail.com
Discord: Rengam#8242



We have been working with Renato Vazquez since 23 October 2021. Everything went smoothly until the end of March 2022.

After a few days without any communication (with us trying to contact him) Renato Vazquez informed us via email that his current situation was that he was facing a personal problem in the family.

After being repeatedly asked to send audits, Renato decided to tell us that he spent all the money that was in his account playing at the casino. After agreeing to make a payment plan, Renato did not fulfill the agreement and didnt answer me anymore.

Renato Vazquez owes us $1,750

i've run into something similar, also romanian, told me he needed a topup and sent hh that was mostly doubles, when removing doubles it went from losing 1.2k to losing 400 - he insists he lost 1.2k and it's a bad database, but obviously not topping up until we get clean hh and preparing to report him here and elsewhere if he doesn't produce the clean hh from stars directly showing it's indeed a bad database issue

Nicknames: Pokerstars.eu / Champ3001; Pokerstars.es / KurtisKush4; PartyPoker / Champ3001.
WhatsApp: +491749347300
e-mail: tobias.schaaf@me.com
Full name: Tobias Thomas Schaaf

Debt amount: 24292 Euros

TokenStars Group Limited and Tobias Schaaf signed a staking agreement on the 6th of March 2019.
As of 28.06.2022, Tobias Schaaf's makeup is 24292 euros.

As per the agreement, Tobias has to repay 75% of the makeup and pay any other amounts due to TokenStars (Clause 10.2.2) to terminate the agreement.
On May 8th, 2020 TokenStars sent Tobias 10,000 Euro to participate in poker tournaments. 6297 euros of 10,000 euros were frozen on Skrill and since then Tobias claims that they are still frozen (on Skrill, then on PokerStars, then on Bank). Though Tobias never showed any proof of this amount being blocked.

On the 27th of January Tobias and TokenStars agreed that Tobias have to repay 15,000 Euro to terminate the agreement. Even though the payment had to be transferred in 45 days Tobias never came back to it and ignored most of the notifications.

Please see the agreements attached

Staking Agreement
Annex
Annex 3

**Miguel Marin**

Bucaramanga, Colombia
Winamax nickname: BurnUrCosmo
GG nickname: BurnUrCosmo
Discord: BurnUrCosmo (Miguel)#9475
E-mail: endboss67@gmail.com

Disappeared and didn't provide report to the pool

**Laszlo Mester**

Hungary
Natural8 nickname: The Tyr
Discord: Tyr The One#6223
E-mail: mesterl911@gmail.com


Disappeared and didn't provide report to the pool