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10-15-2021 , 11:21 AM
Adrian Atienza Lopez
Malaga, Spain
Nickname on Pokerstars.es: Lopez_Breakz
Nickname on Winamax: SKISM89
Skype id and Discord: kanibal_lopez / lpz89#7215
E-mail: lopezbreakz@gmail.com
Contact phone number: +34 *** 01 83 97

Dept to the pool is $478. We do not recommend working with him
10-15-2021 , 11:21 AM
Rafael de la Haza
Spain
Nickname on Pokerstars: OmgRah4_!
Nickname on Winamax: 0nlyUp
Nickname on GG: DrawIsg00d
Skype id and Discord (if you have) live:.cid.5e5c618fa52809b / OnlyUp#7171
E-mail: raf.22.90@hotmail.com
Contact phone number: +3463***0384

Dept to the pool is $691. We do not recommend working with him
10-15-2021 , 11:22 AM
Maciej Trebacz
Address: Oswiecim Poland
Skype id: maciekdmd90
E-mail: illnsttru@gmail.com
Contact phone number: 004***4911133
ps.eu: quattroworld
ps.es: I'LLNSTTRU
winamax: ILLNSTTRU
pp: THAILANDESCORT (login), iLoveThaiGirls

Did not leave the pool and joined another pool. Refused to submit reports. After a long conversation, he said that he would return the money only if we allowed him not to submit reports.
The debt is $494,7
10-23-2021 , 09:40 AM
Name: Jordan Granniss
E-Mail: Jordangranniss@gmail.com

Screennames:
WPN - thuhhhdew
Chico - thedew77
Global - thedew

Stake was for Micro+Lowstake MTTs on WPN and Chico. The first few days everything went smooth, volume was very low, but I would never tell anyone how many tables they have to play, so...
After a few days, player messaged me he will lower his ABI (after dropping $100 at $5 ABI ), but I said fine, okay. Looking back, probably not all stake funds were in the account at this point already.

Player kept playing and had a few runs on Chico. I asked if he wanted to split, he said he would like to keep "running it up" (weird for someone being tight on money). But we just kept going.

At this point already, the player also missed one simple term several times already - leaving a message with how much money is in account after each Session (in total, he managed to do this 4 times in 3 weeks)

After another good run on Chico, I asked him to do a Profit Split. Looking back, surprisingly I indeed got my share via Litecoin later that day ($200).

Afterwards, things in this Deal got a lot worse. He kept playing for the time being ( including unapproved SNGs) and never left one single update on the bankroll anymore. A few days ago I noticed he was back playing on global (not part of the stake) while having stopped playing Chico completely and playing mainly Nanostakes on WPN.

I asked him what that was about, he told me he "deposited some funds there because he has to pay bills" (Yeah, who would think playing 300 micro/lowstakes MTTs, staked, would not make a living in the US ), but he promised to make an Effort to put in more volume at the sites. This was the last time I heard from him.

A few days ago (after no further volume had been put in), I asked him to end the stake (I have the right to do so as for terms). Despite him still playing on global and WPN as recently as yesterday, I never received a reply (I gave him a deadline for a simple explaination, before posting neg. Feedback, that also passed now).

The amount owed is $469: $400 staking roll + $69 Profit share am entitled to based on last update (which obviously I will assume is the current state of the stake).

If anything occurs, I will update. Regardless, I would not recommend doing business with this individual.

Last edited by ICrushSNGs22; 10-23-2021 at 09:46 AM.
10-23-2021 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ICrushSNGs22 **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Name: Jordan Granniss
E-Mail: Jordangranniss@gmail.com

Screennames:
WPN - thuhhhdew
Chico - thedew77
Global - thedew

Stake was for Micro+Lowstake MTTs on WPN and Chico. The first few days everything went smooth, volume was very low, but I would never tell anyone how many tables they have to play, so...
After a few days, player messaged me he will lower his ABI (after dropping $100 at $5 ABI ), but I said fine, okay. Looking back, probably not all stake funds were in the account at this point already.

Player kept playing and had a few runs on Chico. I asked if he wanted to split, he said he would like to keep "running it up" (weird for someone being tight on money). But we just kept going.

At this point already, the player also missed one simple term several times already - leaving a message with how much money is in account after each Session (in total, he managed to do this 4 times in 3 weeks)

After another good run on Chico, I asked him to do a Profit Split. Looking back, surprisingly I indeed got my share via Litecoin later that day ($200).

Afterwards, things in this Deal got a lot worse. He kept playing for the time being ( including unapproved SNGs) and never left one single update on the bankroll anymore. A few days ago I noticed he was back playing on global (not part of the stake) while having stopped playing Chico completely and playing mainly Nanostakes on WPN.

I asked him what that was about, he told me he "deposited some funds there because he has to pay bills" (Yeah, who would think playing 300 micro/lowstakes MTTs, staked, would not make a living in the US ), but he promised to make an Effort to put in more volume at the sites. This was the last time I heard from him.

A few days ago (after no further volume had been put in), I asked him to end the stake (I have the right to do so as for terms). Despite him still playing on global and WPN as recently as yesterday, I never received a reply (I gave him a deadline for a simple explaination, before posting neg. Feedback, that also passed now).

The amount owed is $469: $400 staking roll + $69 Profit share am entitled to based on last update (which obviously I will assume is the current state of the stake).

If anything occurs, I will update. Regardless, I would not recommend doing business with this individual.
Just to add because I found a little more information - his real name could also be "Jordan Anthony". Jordan Granniss is what his WPN screenshot said as name, but his twitter has him as Jordan Anthony.

His twitter: https://twitter.com/ThuhDew

His twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thedew
11-01-2021 , 08:48 AM
Pablo Gonzalez Hidalgo

Nickname on Pokerstars: likolimpico
Party: Licuadoras
Skype id: putoamopanglo
E-mail: pabgonhid@gmail.com
Contact phone number: 633103718

Debt is $514. We do not recommend working with him
11-01-2021 , 09:03 AM
Pedro Reis

Nickname on Pokerstars: sickhand22
Nickname on GGPokerok: SonHylvar
E-mail: phmr_14@hotmail.com
Contact phone number: 5531***78890

Left the pool and didn't make transfer for the previous period. The debt is $456
11-02-2021 , 07:29 AM
Rubén Roig

Valencia (Spain)
Nicknames:
Pokerstars.es: Rubroca
Winamax: Only3Bet4YoU
Sportium: Muck4Ever

Skype id: live:muck4ever85
E-mail: hexicero@gmail.com
Contact phone number: +346***27379

Disappeared and didn't provide results to the pool from 21.08 till 24.09 2021
11-02-2021 , 07:35 AM
Milagros Villalba
Cordoba, Argentina

Nickname on Pokerstars: Milipili19
Nickname on Winamax: Mikaza-
E-mail: Milagros_villalba123@hotmail.com
Contact phone number: +54 ***88 45-5094

Disappeared and didn't provide pool results. Also have a staking debt of $230
11-03-2021 , 12:18 PM
Brandon Veilleux

New Hampshire USA
brandon.veilleux@yahoo.com
https://www.facebook.com/brandonveilleux83
Screen Name: MinimumPayne FilthyFresh

Brandon was staked by Imawhale for 8 months in 2021. After completing his last set, Brandon told us he was stealing approximately $5000 of our stake funds. He rationalized this theft by saying that since he had won so far on the stake, he deserved more money and was thus stealing our capital. There were some prior red flags regarding his instability.

Definitely avoid any type of financial transaction with him.


11-09-2021 , 09:47 PM
Simone dell’anna

Nick ps.it: bestindaworl
Skrill mail minodavidenko@yahoo.it

Asked for staking scammed 1k and disappeared
11-10-2021 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cock **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Simone dell’anna

Nick ps.it: bestindaworl
Skrill mail minodavidenko@yahoo.it

Asked for staking scammed 1k and disappeared
Just out of curiasity - did you confirm by screenshot of Stars.it lobby that the guy you chatted with also is the account holder of "bestindaworl"?
If you just sent via Skrill without verification, chances are you may got just scammed by someone else (the email name doesn't seem italian to me). The email also represents some name that does not at all match with the account holder you have put in.

The guy has a break and made like 13K Euros playing very low stakes last 12 months - to me it seems unlikely he would just randomly scam 1K€. If the identity has been confirmed though, it is pretty clear, I am just asking.

Either way sorry for your loss.

Last edited by ICrushSNGs22; 11-10-2021 at 05:29 PM.
11-14-2021 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by imawhale26 **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Brandon Veilleux

New Hampshire USA
brandon.veilleux@yahoo.com
https://www.facebook.com/brandonveilleux83
Screen Name: MinimumPayne FilthyFresh

Brandon was staked by Imawhale for 8 months in 2021. After completing his last set, Brandon told us he was stealing approximately $5000 of our stake funds. He rationalized this theft by saying that since he had won so far on the stake, he deserved more money and was thus stealing our capital. There were some prior red flags regarding his instability.

Definitely avoid any type of financial transaction with him.


This reply is to IMAWHALE in regards to Brandon Veilleux. He played most of the time at my place so I saw how much he worked and know roughly how much money he got and I think it's funny how you don't say the entire story and you use certain words that make it seem worse but here the deal....You gave him like $2200 as initial stake and he made you guys well over $12 thousand dollars which he actually sent you guys because I helped him because there was complications in sending it which made it take longer but I know you guys got at least $12 K ... 70/30 is a joke and claiming that it will work itself out to 50/50 is complete bullshit. .... He worked his ass off plus he sent you the 70 /30 on his last winnings in the end he made it so that you guys parted ways on his terms and in that way he made it closer to 50/50 which is fair (you guys made out great on your initial investment and you guys didn't have to do any work nor give him any more money and he did all the work lol like seriously how can you guys think that isn't fair???? ��) but sure make him out to be the thief which is not actually what he is if he is stealing his own winnings from games he sat through making his own decisions .....and seeing as he walked away with less than 50% of the money HE made off the initial investment... instead of walking away with less than 30% of the money HE made ... But really?? You guys are sour over the fact he made it closer to even which he was told it would equate to anyways??? (which was basically used as a selling point because 70 / 30 is rape...) He could have walked away with a lot more but he didn't..... Because he is a stand up dude and sent you guys money upon exiting but sure make him look like a thief when he didn't take advantage of you guys but to me... you guys took advantage of him.... But he didn't let you that's all.... But that's my opinion. What red flags are you even talking about? He sent you guys money every time you asked for it. The only reason it took longer than just a couple days was because there was verifying issues and another time he had to change the bank card he had which is a process as you must already know. So, I'm curious what red flags do you even mean??? The only thing he is guilty of is being naive and believing that it would be more like 50/50 (which he was told in writing even I believe) which was not the case so he wanted out and he took it upon himself to make it more like 50/50 instead of 70/30...so you guys still made over $12 thousand on like a $2000 investment and he made less than you guys did....maybe you should stop saying it will end up working out to 50/50 to future clients? So it is more clear that they will be getting the **** covered stick ...especially since they are the ones doing all the work?!?! It's more like a morally grey area not outright theft... Tomatoes tomatos. He told you how much he was working and how he felt miserable and you guys didn't even address any of his issues ...only the money.... Some 'partnership' seems more like a 'parasite' that is still making out on a meager investment. You guys barely even said anything to him.....you guys just slinked around and got other people to talk to him... You guys should work on your communication skills..because if someone actually addressed his feelings ...maybe he would have felt like it was a partnership...instead of just a money generator for you guys... But hey if you guys feel good about what your job is then what do I know?.... But there is always more to a story ... And things can look different when certain info is left out of the story.

-Kelly
11-14-2021 , 10:31 AM
Name: Slimane Nam Bui

GGPoker: Rufus Landet
Party.fr: Metlapoigne
Pokerstars.es: Soullix
Winamax: TanneurLover
Winamax: Nuocmamzz
Winamax: Aim Higher

We chose to part ways with Slimane. He needed to send us our share of a recent chop and the cash held in his accounts. He has not sent this (~$5k) and is not responding to us while regularly playing online poker, as recently as two days ago.
11-14-2021 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
This reply is to IMAWHALE in regards to Brandon Veilleux. He played most of the time at my place so I saw how much he worked and know roughly how much money he got and I think it's funny how you don't say the entire story and you use certain words that make it seem worse but here the deal....You gave him like $2200 as initial stake and he made you guys well over $12 thousand dollars which he actually sent you guys because I helped him because there was complications in sending it which made it take longer but I know you guys got at least $12 K ... 70/30 is a joke and claiming that it will work itself out to 50/50 is complete bullshit. .... He worked his ass off plus he sent you the 70 /30 on his last winnings in the end he made it so that you guys parted ways on his terms and in that way he made it closer to 50/50 which is fair (you guys made out great on your initial investment and you guys didn't have to do any work nor give him any more money and he did all the work lol like seriously how can you guys think that isn't fair???? ��) but sure make him out to be the thief which is not actually what he is if he is stealing his own winnings from games he sat through making his own decisions .....and seeing as he walked away with less than 50% of the money HE made off the initial investment... instead of walking away with less than 30% of the money HE made ... But really?? You guys are sour over the fact he made it closer to even which he was told it would equate to anyways??? (which was basically used as a selling point because 70 / 30 is rape...) He could have walked away with a lot more but he didn't..... Because he is a stand up dude and sent you guys money upon exiting but sure make him look like a thief when he didn't take advantage of you guys but to me... you guys took advantage of him.... But he didn't let you that's all.... But that's my opinion. What red flags are you even talking about? He sent you guys money every time you asked for it. The only reason it took longer than just a couple days was because there was verifying issues and another time he had to change the bank card he had which is a process as you must already know. So, I'm curious what red flags do you even mean??? The only thing he is guilty of is being naive and believing that it would be more like 50/50 (which he was told in writing even I believe) which was not the case so he wanted out and he took it upon himself to make it more like 50/50 instead of 70/30...so you guys still made over $12 thousand on like a $2000 investment and he made less than you guys did....maybe you should stop saying it will end up working out to 50/50 to future clients? So it is more clear that they will be getting the **** covered stick ...especially since they are the ones doing all the work?!?! It's more like a morally grey area not outright theft... Tomatoes tomatos. He told you how much he was working and how he felt miserable and you guys didn't even address any of his issues ...only the money.... Some 'partnership' seems more like a 'parasite' that is still making out on a meager investment. You guys barely even said anything to him.....you guys just slinked around and got other people to talk to him... You guys should work on your communication skills..because if someone actually addressed his feelings ...maybe he would have felt like it was a partnership...instead of just a money generator for you guys... But hey if you guys feel good about what your job is then what do I know?.... But there is always more to a story ... And things can look different when certain info is left out of the story.

-Kelly
Don't really see through this nonsense of a wall but if 70/30 is what was agreed, this is what he should be sending. If the deal is not to the players' satisfaction he should not take it - simple. While I believe 70/30 is way below what a player should receive in todays' climate (and even 50/50 longterm agreements without additional rewards is slavery ( just IMO), I can see where you are coming from) this doesn't give him the right to breach the agreement. Player and staker agrees to terms for a reason, if the staker wants to give the player a better cut it is their sole decision. Even if he agreed to a 99/1 cut in Stakers favor, he has to pay 99% of his profits. It also doesn't matter if he made them §1 or $1Million.
11-15-2021 , 07:09 AM
But they claimed it would be closer to 50/50 with losing sets and he had maybe a total of $300 in losing sets....Because he is a very consistent player. They basically were manipulative and he was naive. I think it's taking advantage of someone but if they claimed it would work out to 50/50 then what is wrong with leaving it as 55/45? Sounds like he left it with exactly how they said it would work out.... Of course my opinion...
11-15-2021 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ICrushSNGs22 **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Just out of curiasity - did you confirm by screenshot of Stars.it lobby that the guy you chatted with also is the account holder of "bestindaworl"?
If you just sent via Skrill without verification, chances are you may got just scammed by someone else (the email name doesn't seem italian to me). The email also represents some name that does not at all match with the account holder you have put in.

The guy has a break and made like 13K Euros playing very low stakes last 12 months - to me it seems unlikely he would just randomly scam 1K€. If the identity has been confirmed though, it is pretty clear, I am just asking.

Either way sorry for your loss.


Yes, it was him had his documents had his accounts, he blocked me on facebook and disappeared, his name is italian and also sent transaction to his personal bank account.
So there is no dubt its him, and i got to know he scammed other people in the past
11-15-2021 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
But they claimed it would be closer to 50/50 with losing sets and he had maybe a total of $300 in losing sets....Because he is a very consistent player. They basically were manipulative and he was naive. I think it's taking advantage of someone but if they claimed it would work out to 50/50 then what is wrong with leaving it as 55/45? Sounds like he left it with exactly how they said it would work out.... Of course my opinion...
This may be the case and I don't doubt that at all, but terms are terms to fullfil them
I have read they are offering No-MU-Cuts, this is very unsual but this also explains the unusual high cut for them. I don't know the terms (how many games before reset etc) but in that case this Deal doesnt seem bad at all. You have to consider, MTTs are a very highly volatile game. You can go thousands of games without making profit, you can go hundreds of buy ins into Make-up if things go wrong. The player in question may even be Phil Ivey and in a Bad case he may not profit for a year if things go really wrong. If that wasn't the case yet, he ran well. I do not doubt his abilities, but that is how the game is like.
For that reason they probably made this type of Deal - not having him grinding thousands of games into deep MU (and not make ANY money in that time, in this case I support this, it's horrible for both sides having a player in MU and not letting them have any money),and instead made their own cut higher. So over the longterm this might indeed work out as roughly 50/50. lets say he ran bad for a few months (no one is safe in MTTs) , then hits a score out of the sudden - in a normal MU Deal as everyone does he doesn't See a penny for himself cuz he has to pay all of it to cover the MU. With expiring MU he does get some money.

In any case, I am not a fan of big stables, I myself stake a couple players, have a good relationship to them, give them good deals, exceptionally even give a Deal that covers their living costs if they put in the work, regardless of results. But this is rare. And if your mate accepted a specific Deal they have to fullfil it, no matter how it went. If it did him bad in this specific case, tough luck, but if it went the other way he would have highly benifited from it. It evens out, especially in MTTs. And if he didnt like all the conditions in the first place, better to not take the Deal in the first place.
11-15-2021 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cock **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Yes, it was him had his documents had his accounts, he blocked me on facebook and disappeared, his name is italian and also sent transaction to his personal bank account.
So there is no dubt its him, and i got to know he scammed other people in the past
Okay thank you for your reply, I was really curious because the datas seemed suspecious to me.
With what was provided+ his data I would tbh have bet you got scammed by some imposer.
Again, sorry for your loss anyway.
11-15-2021 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
But they claimed it would be closer to 50/50 with losing sets and he had maybe a total of $300 in losing sets....Because he is a very consistent player. They basically were manipulative and he was naive. I think it's taking advantage of someone but if they claimed it would work out to 50/50 then what is wrong with leaving it as 55/45? Sounds like he left it with exactly how they said it would work out.... Of course my opinion...
So guy agreed to 70/30 and then decided to make it 50/50 because...he didnt think the deal he agreed to was fair? I'm sure if he was on the end of a deal more in his favor, he would have given a higher % to the backer, right?

Perhaps I'd have more sympathy for him if he came to 2p2 to post about the deal initially, but instead he decided to take money that wasn't his and use the 'bad deal' as some sort of moral justification. Dude just stole $$, plain and simple.
11-15-2021 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
He played most of the time at my place so I saw how much he worked
Irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
he made you guys well over $12 thousand dollars which he actually sent you guys because I helped him because there was complications in sending it which made it take longer but I know you guys got at least $12 K ...
Also irelelvant, the fact the he made X amount for them doesn't justify stealing.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
(you guys made out great on your initial investment and you guys didn't have to do any work nor give him any more money and he did all the work lol like seriously how can you guys think that isn't fair???? ��)
Again, not a justification for stealing.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
if he is stealing his own winnings from games he sat through making his own decisions .....and seeing as he walked away with less than 50% of the money HE made off the initial investment... instead of walking away with less than 30% of the money HE made ...
He agreed to send back 70%. He didn't. Oh and it's a stake, all of the winnings will be through 'his own decisions.' That's how staking works. You give someone else money to play.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
He could have walked away with a lot more but he didn't..... Because he is a stand up dude
Wow, what a stand up guy! He could have stole more! Get this man a medal.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
The only thing he is guilty of is being naive and believing that it would be more like 50/50 (which he was told in writing even I believe) which was not the case so he wanted out and he took it upon himself to make it more like 50/50 instead of 70/30...
Guilty of only being naive...and stealing.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
It's more like a morally grey area not outright theft...
No, it's outright theft.

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
He told you how much he was working and how he felt miserable and you guys didn't even address any of his issues ...only the money....
Does this justify the stealing? But they weren't being nice!

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Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Some 'partnership' seems more like a 'parasite' that is still making out on a meager investment. You guys barely even said anything to him.....you guys just slinked around and got other people to talk to him... You guys should work on your communication skills..because if someone actually addressed his feelings ...maybe he would have felt like it was a partnership...instead of just a money generator for you guys...
And yet another poor justification.

Send back the $$.
11-16-2021 , 04:27 AM
Agreed with everything acbarone posted above. Those are some pretty gross justifications for theft.

imo 70/30 with no makeup is very reasonable. 50/50 with no makeup would be nearing absurd in favour of the horse.
11-16-2021 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhatAjoke **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
This reply is to IMAWHALE in regards to Brandon Veilleux. He played most of the time at my place so I saw how much he worked and know roughly how much money he got and I think it's funny how you don't say the entire story and you use certain words that make it seem worse but here the deal....You gave him like $2200 as initial stake and he made you guys well over $12 thousand dollars which he actually sent you guys because I helped him because there was complications in sending it which made it take longer but I know you guys got at least $12 K ... 70/30 is a joke and claiming that it will work itself out to 50/50 is complete bullshit. .... He worked his ass off plus he sent you the 70 /30 on his last winnings in the end he made it so that you guys parted ways on his terms and in that way he made it closer to 50/50 which is fair (you guys made out great on your initial investment and you guys didn't have to do any work nor give him any more money and he did all the work lol like seriously how can you guys think that isn't fair???? ��) but sure make him out to be the thief which is not actually what he is if he is stealing his own winnings from games he sat through making his own decisions .....and seeing as he walked away with less than 50% of the money HE made off the initial investment... instead of walking away with less than 30% of the money HE made ... But really?? You guys are sour over the fact he made it closer to even which he was told it would equate to anyways??? (which was basically used as a selling point because 70 / 30 is rape...) He could have walked away with a lot more but he didn't..... Because he is a stand up dude and sent you guys money upon exiting but sure make him look like a thief when he didn't take advantage of you guys but to me... you guys took advantage of him.... But he didn't let you that's all.... But that's my opinion. What red flags are you even talking about? He sent you guys money every time you asked for it. The only reason it took longer than just a couple days was because there was verifying issues and another time he had to change the bank card he had which is a process as you must already know. So, I'm curious what red flags do you even mean??? The only thing he is guilty of is being naive and believing that it would be more like 50/50 (which he was told in writing even I believe) which was not the case so he wanted out and he took it upon himself to make it more like 50/50 instead of 70/30...so you guys still made over $12 thousand on like a $2000 investment and he made less than you guys did....maybe you should stop saying it will end up working out to 50/50 to future clients? So it is more clear that they will be getting the **** covered stick ...especially since they are the ones doing all the work?!?! It's more like a morally grey area not outright theft... Tomatoes tomatos. He told you how much he was working and how he felt miserable and you guys didn't even address any of his issues ...only the money.... Some 'partnership' seems more like a 'parasite' that is still making out on a meager investment. You guys barely even said anything to him.....you guys just slinked around and got other people to talk to him... You guys should work on your communication skills..because if someone actually addressed his feelings ...maybe he would have felt like it was a partnership...instead of just a money generator for you guys... But hey if you guys feel good about what your job is then what do I know?.... But there is always more to a story ... And things can look different when certain info is left out of the story.

-Kelly
Following up here.

Brandon Veilleux had a contract with Imawhale. Same deal we have for all MTT players. 70/30 split in our favor, but with expiring makeup. Every 300 games the set is settled, profits are chopped, and any makeup is wiped away and forgiven. Brandon did run hot during his short time staked by Imawhale. Anyone who plays MTTs for a long enough period of time will experience 300 tournament stretches where they experience SIGNIFICANT downswings. When those occur, Imawhale eats all of the losses and the player loses nothing. We structure this way to protect both ourselves and players from the bad situations that arise when an MTT horse is buried in a huge amount of makeup.

He decided that since he had been winning, he would steal $5k+ of our money, and rationalize it by saying "forget about the contract, forget about potential losses, they should just be happy they made some money". Of course had Brandon lost, he would not have come out of pocket and reimbursed our losses because the current profit split wasn't working out to 50/50. We wouldn't expect him to. If he continued to play he'd eventually hit a nasty downswing, as all players do from time to time, at which time we would swallow some big losses and just keep going at no penalty to him.

Brandon was free to opt out of the contract at any time. He kept renewing the deal over and over up until the point he decided to steal. At any point he felt the arrangement wasn't fair, he could have walked away and we could have settled up. Instead, he kept going and ultimately ran off with the cash.
11-16-2021 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by imawhale26 **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Following up here.

Brandon Veilleux had a contract with Imawhale. Same deal we have for all MTT players. 70/30 split in our favor, but with expiring makeup. Every 300 games the set is settled, profits are chopped, and any makeup is wiped away and forgiven. Brandon did run hot during his short time staked by Imawhale. Anyone who plays MTTs for a long enough period of time will experience 300 tournament stretches where they experience SIGNIFICANT downswings. When those occur, Imawhale eats all of the losses and the player loses nothing. We structure this way to protect both ourselves and players from the bad situations that arise when an MTT horse is buried in a huge amount of makeup.

He decided that since he had been winning, he would steal $5k+ of our money, and rationalize it by saying "forget about the contract, forget about potential losses, they should just be happy they made some money". Of course had Brandon lost, he would not have come out of pocket and reimbursed our losses because the current profit split wasn't working out to 50/50. We wouldn't expect him to. If he continued to play he'd eventually hit a nasty downswing, as all players do from time to time, at which time we would swallow some big losses and just keep going at no penalty to him.

Brandon was free to opt out of the contract at any time. He kept renewing the deal over and over up until the point he decided to steal. At any point he felt the arrangement wasn't fair, he could have walked away and we could have settled up. Instead, he kept going and ultimately ran off with the cash.
Well written explaination(also Thanks for sharing the Details to give a better PoV) and eventhough I have no business here - this kind of Deal is, for a MTT player who relies on making money regulary, a very favorable one and any MTT grinder thinking differently should research about the numbers of their game of choice.
It should just be paid up and idk how a player agreeing to this Deal would think differently.
11-16-2021 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by imawhale26 **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**
Brandon was free to opt out of the contract at any time. He kept renewing the deal over and over up until the point he decided to steal. At any point he felt the arrangement wasn't fair, he could have walked away and we could have settled up. Instead, he kept going and ultimately ran off with the cash.
This makes the situation even worse. He wasn't "stuck" in some sort of deal he didn't like with endless make up, he actively chose to renew the deal each time and then when he binked/ran hot enough he decided to take more than what was agreed to.

As a side note, this model seems amazing for MTT horses. If most $$ is made in a handful of binks, they stand to win 30% of those 300 game blocks where they ran hot, and eat zero losses in the others. I only ran a few calculations though.

Last edited by acbarone; 11-16-2021 at 04:47 PM.

      
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