Juan Carlos Abreu Jacob Jingleheimer Gimenez
Pokerstars ID: Juanca1009 (Venezuela)
Skype: live : live:jcag_10_09
email:
juancaa10099@gmail.com
We backed Juan for a long time, and for a good part it was fine, albeit never spectacular. Many issues came up which prevented him from playing as happens at times. Usually, 90% of “things” happen to the same 10% of people. After a few pauses in the stake to allow for situations to resolve we tried one last time with a $200 bankroll and a promise to play poker. A week later he has not played poker.
We then asked for the $200 back, but he would not send it. He mentioned he could not due to Stars transfer rules (have to clear it). I agreed and suggested he simply sit at Tempest to clear it as I watched within 10 minutes, and whatever the results I was fine with. He could not, because he claimed his cash game limits were too low. I then suggested he simply wager $5 a spin on roulette 40 times on black and we will accept whatever the results are with an audit, as they should be within $25 one way or the other.
He refused to do that because he insisted he would then lose everything in the casino doing that. Sure, the odds were basically impossible, but he refused. OK, then onto the next plan – clear it playing small tournaments and settle in a week or two.
Naturally, he then played cash games, so apparently his cash game limits were not an issue then. He lost a chunk, though he did say he did not intend to lose the money, so that made it all better or something. He had about $100 left and it was all cleared for transfer purposes, and I asked for him to send the $100. He did not.
I asked again a week later. He did not send anything back. Another week passes and he finally replied and when I asked him again to just send the $100ish back (he had won 80 or so in tournaments and lost more in those cash games he said he could not play). His reply was the following:
“How are you? I'm not a thief, I was in samurai staking and I was in standard backing and I even gave back $ 1,600 so that later they would kick me out of staking. Anyway, I told you that you could place our case for 2 + 2 until it is paid in full. Right now I have $ 91 but I'm wrong. I do not want to return the funds until it reaches a minimum of $ 200 again. I just want those funds so I can keep playing and get back up to $ 700 and not have to invest my own money for that.
If you want to see me as a thief or leave me as a thief for $ 200 when I have had up to 1k + in my account and we have split ok. For $ 200 I am not going to disappear or stop paying you. I just want to play with the remaining $ 91 to recover and not invest my own money to play poker.
If for you it is a crime for me to continue playing with that money to recover, pay and then be able to play on my own, then there if you are absolutely right, I am a thief.”
OK, so we had the first of many baby thief tropes – the I need your money to pay you back your money (while not actually paying it back) routine. I replied to this with a simple statement that indeed it is stealing at this point if he does not send me back the $91 in his account that is not his. I asked him again to do that. His reply was the following:
“your email quite offensive, i guess i'm not talking”
So we went to the next baby thief routine of – I am not paying back because you made me mad, so it is your fault, not mine.
Anyways, why post this type of detail for a low-end criminal? Well, many times in this industry backers trap themselves in believing if they talk to players who are going rogue that that such a conversation is what will make the player steal from them. Reality is that they have already or were going to steal the money anyway, so my general advice would be the following:
Players who are going to steal – just steal and take pride in your crime. A couple past criminals who have done that to me were honest about and laughed about it when confronted. Is that great? No, but I do have some mild respect that they saved everyone’s time by (after stealing the money) not going through the eye rolling “I am not a thief” tropes we have all seen many times before. Backers as well should accept that once a stake reaches this point that it is effectively over and choosing to not confront the player (and warning the community) just gives that player an opportunity to get funds from a different backer who has no idea of the player’s past when making that investment decision.
Overall, I do not believe Juan is a bad human being, but the stealing DNA gets locked in once it is done and there are minimal or no consequences, so any future backer will have to assume at this point that it would happen again. Juan has declared that he will pay back the $200, because he claims that he is no thief, even as he plays with my money that he refuses to return. If the money is repaid in the future, then that will be updated with that information. Historically that happens about 1 in 20 times give or take in these situations.
