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05-25-2020 , 12:52 PM
Name: Stanislav Smeljov
Pokerstars: RNGadmin
GG: CallCheckFold
Party: POCCTAT
888: RNGadmin
Winamax: RNGadmin
Party (old): x0UTofSPACEx

Stanislav has been extremely difficult to work with. While providing $5,475 in loans to help cover his bills over the past 16 months, he has routinely "misclicked" tournaments. He recently not only "misclicked" a tournament, but actually re-entered as well.

When we asked for a Skrill audit to show he deposited to cover, he admitted making additional poker accounts we did not know about, so that he could play for himself as well.

We are parting ways with Stanislav and asking that he repay 100% of the loans and 50% of the makeup from poker losses. The total is ~$15k.
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05-28-2020 , 05:47 PM
Name: Javier Amores
Pokerstars: paphelito
Country: Spain

We are the Steel Phoenix team — a community with more than 700 spin-n-go players worldwide with our goal being to reduce variance's influence.
Every month each player sends in their results and after the results have been verifyed they get a correction to their EV.

A player by the nickname paphelito has been in our pool since 21/09/2019. We were in good relations and he's been getting +EV corrections throughout this time.
At the end of February 2020 pool this player had his first -EV correction and expressed his negative claims also announcing he was going to leave the pool. It happened on 25/02/2020. Then the player went on vacation so there was no way to quickly resolve this situation.

On 16/03/2020 we had a call with him during which we explained how the correction was formed and as a result he fully agreed with everything and thanked us for a thorough explanation. Also he made a promise to pay the full amount of the correction. We decided to let paphelito leave the pool on 26/02/2020 (the next day after he claimed he wanted to leave) even though our rules prohibit players leaving in the middle of the pool period (our pools start on 21st and end on 20th of each month). In addition, we decided not to charge him with our fee for those few days.

Despite all that, the player refused to include these 5 days into the pool and accused us of questioning his honesty and reputation.
We really value players with good reputation and over 700 players in our pool trust us exactly because we check everyone with no exceptions and any backgrounds.
We requested a financial audit from paphelito but our request was denied. It makes it impossible for us to verify player's results for those 5 days of February and is equalized to a scam.

After we explained the way corrections are made, the only complain of the player was our English-speaking support person's manner of talking which did not match his expectations. Once again, the player agreed with the financial aspect of this argument and agreed to make transfers.

At this moment of time our claim to paphelito consists of:
1) $2819 of transfers to other pool members
2) his results from 21/02/2020 to 25/02/2020.

Since we are an organization that calculates players for a fixed fee, all transfers that are formed based on our pool players' reports are our pool players' property. As a result, these $2819 (and anything that's in paphelito's results from 21/02/2020 to 25/02/2020) should be evenly distributed between the pool players. Refusing his obligations, the player scammes over 700 players.

We invite paphelito to publicly express his point of view of this situation here since we couldn't reach an agreement while discussing things privately.

Last edited by SteelPhoenix; 05-28-2020 at 05:59 PM.
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05-30-2020 , 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelPhoenix
Name: Javier Amores
Pokerstars: paphelito
Country: Spain

We are the Steel Phoenix team — a community with more than 700 spin-n-go players worldwide with our goal being to reduce variance's influence.
Every month each player sends in their results and after the results have been verifyed they get a correction to their EV.

A player by the nickname paphelito has been in our pool since 21/09/2019. We were in good relations and he's been getting +EV corrections throughout this time.
At the end of February 2020 pool this player had his first -EV correction and expressed his negative claims also announcing he was going to leave the pool. It happened on 25/02/2020. Then the player went on vacation so there was no way to quickly resolve this situation.

On 16/03/2020 we had a call with him during which we explained how the correction was formed and as a result he fully agreed with everything and thanked us for a thorough explanation. Also he made a promise to pay the full amount of the correction. We decided to let paphelito leave the pool on 26/02/2020 (the next day after he claimed he wanted to leave) even though our rules prohibit players leaving in the middle of the pool period (our pools start on 21st and end on 20th of each month). In addition, we decided not to charge him with our fee for those few days.

Despite all that, the player refused to include these 5 days into the pool and accused us of questioning his honesty and reputation.
We really value players with good reputation and over 700 players in our pool trust us exactly because we check everyone with no exceptions and any backgrounds.
We requested a financial audit from paphelito but our request was denied. It makes it impossible for us to verify player's results for those 5 days of February and is equalized to a scam.

After we explained the way corrections are made, the only complain of the player was our English-speaking support person's manner of talking which did not match his expectations. Once again, the player agreed with the financial aspect of this argument and agreed to make transfers.

At this moment of time our claim to paphelito consists of:
1) $2819 of transfers to other pool members
2) his results from 21/02/2020 to 25/02/2020.

Since we are an organization that calculates players for a fixed fee, all transfers that are formed based on our pool players' reports are our pool players' property. As a result, these $2819 (and anything that's in paphelito's results from 21/02/2020 to 25/02/2020) should be evenly distributed between the pool players. Refusing his obligations, the player scammes over 700 players.

We invite paphelito to publicly express his point of view of this situation here since we couldn't reach an agreement while discussing things privately.
Hola a todos, escribo este texto primero en Español y luego en Inglés.
Hello everyone, I write this text first in Spanish and later in English

Ya hace más de 2 meses que no tenía noticias de “SteelPhoenix”, justo hoy un amigo me ha enviado este post.
I hadn't heard from "Steel Phoenix" since 2 months ago until later today when this post was sent to me by a friend.

Primero de todo pido que “SteelPhoenix” retire estas acusaciones y el post que han hecho, tanto de mi nombre como mi nick. Me parece rídiculo que escriban un post acusandome de no pagar supuestamente 2800$ y se olviden de mencionar que durante todos los meses anteriores he enviado cantidades mucho más elevadas. ¿Por qué no iba a enviar 2800$ si en meses anteriores he enviado varias veces 8.000$ sin problema alguno? Es vergonzoso este post. Reitero que retiren el post, tanto mi nombre como mi nick.
First of all, I instance "SteelPhoenix" to withdraw these accusations as well as the post. I find it ridiculous that they write a post accusing me of not paying $2,800 that I supposedly owe, but they forget to mention that during all the previous months I sent much higher amounts. Why wouldn't I send $2,800 if I sent 8,000$ several times in previous months without hesitation? This post is embarrassing. I reiterate that they remove the post, and both my name and nickname.

Lógicamente voy a pedir una compensación por el daño que están causando a mi imagen pública.
I have no choice but to ask for a compensation for all the damage caused to my public image.

A continuación, para poner en contexto a todo aquel que esté leyendo esto, voy a detallar todo lo sucedido. He dedicado todo el día de hoy a redactar y recopilar información para defenderme de estas acusaciones.
Next, I am going to detail everything that happened in order to put anyone reading this in context. I have spent the entire day redacting and collecting information to defend myself from these allegations.

Entré en SteelPhoenix en el período de Octubre 2019. A continuación detallo las transferencias que hice/recibí. (Los resultados se pueden comprobar en los excel subidos por SteelPhoenix)
I entered SteelPhoenix in the period of October 2019. Below I detail the transfers I made / received. (The results can be verified in the excel uploaded by SteelPhoenix)

Octubre 2019→ Recibí +615$
October 2019→ I received +$615

Noviembre 2019→ Envié -7881$
November 2019→ I sent -$7,881

Diciembre 2019→ Envié -7932$
Dicember 2019→ I sent -$7,932

Enero 2020→ Recibí +7602$
January 2020→ I received +$7,602

Con esto solo quiero introducir que todos los períodos anteriores pagué/recibí lo que me correspondía. Pese a que “runeé” bastante por encima del EV, entre los meses de Noviembre y Diciembre envié un total de 16.000$+-.
With this, I only want to introduce that all the previous periods I paid / received what was due. Despite the fact that I “ran” well above the EV, between the months of November and December I sent a total of $16,000, give or take.

En Febrero, subo mis resultados a la web de SteelPhoenix como cada mes. Una vez los subí en su web, aparecían los resultados correctos, todo bien. (Adjunto captura→ https://gyazo.com/18b65084f1cbb16757a4559efcd7b116 ) La columna de color amarillo/ocre es la que indica el dinero a enviar, la cantidad a enviar era de -372$.
In February I uploaded my results to the SteelPhoenix website like every month. Once I uploaded them on their website, the results appeared correct, everything seemed fine. (Screenshot attached → https://gyazo.com/18b65084f1cbb16757a4559efcd7b116 ) The column in yellow / ocher is the one that indicates the money to send. The amount to be sent was -$372.

El problema viene cuando un par de días después entro en la web de SteelPhoenix para mirar los resultados de mis compañeros de profesión. Voy mirando todos los resultados por encima, cuando al llegar a mi nombre “paphelito” me encuentro que mis resultados han sido “modificados” y que la cantidad a enviar ha aumentado de -372$ a -2629$. (Adjunto captura→ https://gyazo.com/d9355d6951dcd66959fda784a93cdadd ).
The problem arose when a couple of days later I went to the SteelPhoenix website to see the results of my colleagues. I looked over at all the results, and when I got to my nickname "paphelito", I found out that my results had been "modified" and the amount to be sent had increased from -$372 to -$2,629. (Screenshot attached → https://gyazo.com/d9355d6951dcd66959fda784a93cdadd ).

A continuación adjunto capturas de la conversación que mantuve por Discord con ellos:
Below I attach screenshots of the conversation I had through Discord with them:

1-Subida de resultados día 21→ https://gyazo.com/a9f1c67d8e9c22d0786d4ebf5c7b048a
https://gyazo.com/9a3119b718cbad13f89663248c1274f1
1- Results upload day 21→ https://gyazo.com/a9f1c67d8e9c22d0786d4ebf5c7b048a
https://gyazo.com/9a3119b718cbad13f89663248c1274f1

2-Subida de Historial de manos→ https://gyazo.com/5fc00d6d09291e9a0145f75ab84335e4
2-HandHistory upload → https://gyazo.com/5fc00d6d09291e9a0145f75ab84335e4

3-Me doy cuenta que los resultados son erróneos→ https://gyazo.com/48be1f6906f9e53cb4efc734fd016f8b
3- I notice that the results are wrong→ https://gyazo.com/48be1f6906f9e53cb4efc734fd016f8b

4- Empiezan a responderme con mensajes de copiar y pegar, cuando les he dicho que he resubido las manos en otra base de datos y me salen los mismos resultados →
https://gyazo.com/a68cc96bef713bd2325c70a3481a9623
https://gyazo.com/43de99f500ab89016c2d978759dde4a7
4- They begin answering me copy and paste messages when I told them that I had run the hands in a different database and the results were the same→
https://gyazo.com/a68cc96bef713bd2325c70a3481a9623
https://gyazo.com/43de99f500ab89016c2d978759dde4a7

5-Les vuelvo a pedir que resuban la base de datos porque yo ya lo he hecho, y 3 amigos míos también lo habían hecho y les salían los mismos resultados. En total acabé enviando mi Historial de manos a 4 jugadores, si alguien quiere comprobarlo puedo enviarlo sin problemas, siempre y cuando sea solo con fines de comprobar los resultados y no para otro uso.
https://gyazo.com/2df6bae2eec5832ecab464c62891091f
5- I asked them to run the data again because I had already triple checked it, and 3 friends of mine had also run it for me and obtained the same results as mine. In the end, I ended up sending my hand history to 4 players. If anyone wants to make sure of it, I can send it without any problem, as long as it is only for the purpose of checking the results and not for any other use.
https://gyazo.com/2df6bae2eec5832ecab464c62891091f

6- Ya me canso de que no me hagan caso y les digo que me he cansado. Quiero irme, parece que se estén riendo de mi mientras yo estoy poniendo todo de mi parte y ellos se dedican a hacer “copiar y pegar” → https://gyazo.com/801cfe3fbb3c2f4b877c6408a859658f
6- I got tired of not being listened to and I told them so. Thus, I decided to leave because it seemed like they were laughing at me while I was making a great effort and they were doing "copy and paste" → https://gyazo.com/801cfe3fbb3c2f4b877c6408a859658f

En la última captura les comento que yo voy a pagar lo que me corresponde, 400-600$ en función de la fluctuación del pool (ese valor era -372$ días antes pero debido a la varianza negativa de ese mes subió).
In the last screenshot I told them that I was going to pay what corresponded to me, $400-600, depending on the fluctuation of the pool (that value was -$372 days before but due to the negative variance of that month it went up).

Mi frustación era máxima, bastante parecida a la que siento ahora mismo. Sentirte que estás hablando con una pared bastante autoritaria y que tienen la “razón absoluta”. En ese momento me había tomado la molestia de enviar el historial de manos de ese período a 3 amigos para que comprobaran los resultados. Por supuesto que podía ser yo el errado, sin embargo, todos ellos obtuvieron los mismos resultados que me salían a mi. Por eso les pedí a SteelPhoenix que comprobaran los resultados como mínimo una vez, no me hicieron caso, tenían la razón absoluta y no me escuchaban. El trato fue realmente malo, no digo que por ser jugador de niveles altos tenga que tener mejor trato, pero ese trato no se lo puedes dar a ningún cliente tuyo que cada mes te está pagando una comisión por estar dentro de tu empresa. Me sentí como si fuera alguien que acaba de empezar en el mundillo y me estuvieran tomando el pelo.

My frustration was invaluable, quite similar to what I feel right now. Feeling that you are talking to an authoritarian wall and that they are "absolutely right". At that time I took the trouble to send the data of that period to 3 friends to check the results. Undoubtedly, I could have been wrong. However, all of them obtained the same results as mine. That's why I asked SteelPhoenix to check the results at least once, but they ignored me, they were absolutely right and they didn't listen to me (podrías añadir solo les importa el dinero. They only care about money). I was treated really bad, and I'm not saying that anyone should be treated better only because they have a higher-level player profile, you shouldn't give that kind of treatment to any client who is paying a commission every month for being part of your company. I felt like I was someone beginning to learn the know-how in this field and who was being cheated.

Remarcar que en las próximas listas que se publicaron, tanto Marzo como Abril, mi nombre no aparecía en ellas.
Note that in the next lists that were published, both March and April, my name did not appear on them.

Lista de Marzo→ https://gyazo.com/5dc933b576b2ef4df84970482cb1f4e3
March list→ https://gyazo.com/5dc933b576b2ef4df84970482cb1f4e3

Lista de Abril→ https://gyazo.com/9b41c93e24e6162bf2c750a888c47f67
April list→ https://gyazo.com/9b41c93e24e6162bf2c750a888c47f67

Me extrañó mucho, pues normalmente la gente que no ha pagado o tiene algún problema aparece su nombre en rojo como muestra de que está “congelado”. Adjunto capturas de ello (he tapado el nombre por privacidad del los jugadores)→ https://gyazo.com/d26c0983b7f68628d5a921dd36ac1374
https://gyazo.com/d97982f41c255d1ceb0fa22bedd65845
I was really surprised because normally people who have not paid or have any issue appear with their name in red, as being “frozen”. Here I attach screenshots of it (I have blanked out names for the player's privacy)→ https://gyazo.com/d26c0983b7f68628d5a921dd36ac1374
https://gyazo.com/d97982f41c255d1ceb0fa22bedd65845

Cualquier persona puede ver las listas de SteelPhoenix y ver que cada mes aparecen jugadores en rojo. En mi caso no aparecí. He de confesar que me imaginé que se habían dado cuenta de su error y que ese era el motivo por el cual no aparecía en las listas. Después de la llamada me di cuenta que tal vez había otros intereses internos que en ese momento desconocía.
Anyone can see the SteelPhoenix rosters and notice that players appear in red each month. In my case I did not appear in them. I confess that I imagined that they had realized their mistake and that was the reason why I did not appear on the lists. After the call I realized that maybe there were other internal interests that I didn't know at the time.

El día 16 de marzo tuvimos una llamada de Skype de 2.30h de duración. En la llamada habían 3 rusos y yo. En todo momento puse de mi parte, dediqué mucho tiempo a arreglar esta situación, creo que invertir 2.30h de mi tiempo lo demuestran.
On March 16 we had a 2 hours and a half Skype call. The call's participants were 3 Russians and me. I did my best every time. I spent a lot of time trying to fix this situation, and I think that investing 2.30h of my time shows it.

Durante la llamada ellos sostenían que se debía a correciones de EV y del HM2 además de zona horaria. Que había sido un cúmulo de infortúneos. Lógicamente yo no estaba de acuerdo, las correciones de EV en el HandHistory eran cada mes de entre -300 y +300$, que aplicasen una correción de 2k$+- me pareceía cuanto menos muy extraño y que podría haber algún error ahí.
During the call they sustained that corrections were made according to EV and HM2 in addition to time zone. That it had been a cluster of unfortunates. Logically I did not see eye to eye, the EV corrections in the HandHistory were between -300 and + $ 300 each month. An approximately $2k correction seemed to me pretty strange at the very least and that there could be some more errors to considerate.

En todo momento estuve compartiendoles mi pantalla, instalando “programas/extensiones” que ellos me enviaban a mi computadora, confiando en ellos en todo momento. Incluso me pidieron reiniciar mi ordenador y lo hice sin problema, volviendo a la llamada en cuestión de minutos.
I shared my screen all the time during the call, installing "programs / extensions" that they sent to me, trusting them all the time. They even asked me to reboot my laptop which I did without hesitation, returning to the call in a matter of minutes.

Después horas de llamada no llegábamos a ningún acuerdo, ellos defendían lo suyo y yo lo mío. En un momento hablamos del siguiente período (21-25 marzo), del cual me comentan que no me preocupe que ese período da igual, que cerramos el actual y listo. En un acto de buena fé, igual estupidez, acepté su postura y les comenté que si, que les enviaba 2k$+- y finiquitabamos esto que estaba siendo muy tedioso. Fuí estúpido? Si, pero no del todo. Les pedí que me dieran una dirección de Neteller y procedería a enviar el dinero. En ese momento me piden que ponga determinados días en mi PT4 (estaba compartiendo la pantalla contínuamente), lo pongo sin problema, fiándome de buena fe de ellos. En ese momento ven que en el período indicado había hecho 0€ EV+- y había ganado 800€+-, es decir un overrun de 800€+-. Aquí empieza algo que me parece vergonzoso. En ese momento empiezan a hablar en ruso entre ellos, lógicamente no entiendo nada de lo que dicen, y después de un par de minutos me empiezan a pedir ese dinero. Por supuesto que me enfado, si hubiera runneado por debajo del EV os aseguro que no me hubieran dicho nada de nada. Ahí finaliza la llamada, afortunadamente fue todo tan rápido que no llegué a enviarles los 2k$+- por Neteller, afortunadamente porque ellos no llegaron a darme la dirección de Neteller a la cual enviar el dinero (pongo 2k+- porque la cantidad no se había acabado de especificar durante la llamada). Fuí estúpido al confiar en ellos sí, entendí sus cuentas y las acepté, me fié de su palabra, luego me demostraron que no valía nada.
After hours of call, we did not reach an agreement, they continued to defend their posture and I defended mine. At some point we talked about the next period (March 21-25), which they told me not to worry, that this period does not matter, we would close the current one and that's it. In an act of good faith, or dullness, I accepted their position and I said yes, that I would send the approximate $2k and we ended the conversation which was very tedious. Was I silly? Yes, but not entirely. I asked for a Neteller address so as to proceed with the transfer. At that moment they asked me to enter certain days on my PT4 (I was continuously sharing the screen), I entered it without problem, trusting on their good faith. In that moment they see that in the period indicated I had made €0 EV+- and had won €800+-, that is, an overrun of €800+-. That's when something that seems shameful to me begins. Then, they start talking in Russian between them, which I obviously do not understand, and after a couple of minutes they asked me for that money. Undoubtedly I got angry, if I had run under the EV I assure you that they would not have told me anything else. That is when the call ends. Luckily it was so fast that I did not get round to send the $2k + - by Neteller, fortunatelly because they didn’t give the Neteller adress where send the money (I have put $2k + - because the amount had not been specified during the call). I was silly I trusted them, yes,I understand their accounts and accepted, I trusted their word, later they showed me that it was worth nothing.

Días después empecé a atar cables, mi nombre no constaba en rojo en las listas de SteelPhoenix de los meses de marzo y abril, simplemente había desaparecido de las listas. Luego en la llamada me querían pedir ese dinero extra sin venir a cuento, cuando previamente me habían dicho que el mes de marzo nos olvidabamos, que daba igual. No quiero pensar mal, pero nadie de los 700 jugadores del pool va a echar en falta una pequeña cantidad de dinero, menos cuando no aparece en las listas porque mi nombre ha “desaparecido”.
Days later I started connecting dots, my name was not in red in the SteelPhoenix lists for the months of March and April, it had simply disappeared from the lists. Then, during the call they wanted me to pay that extra money out of nothing, when they had previously told me to forget about March, that it didn't matter. I wouldn't want to be distrustful, but none of the 700 billiard players is going to miss a small amount of money, moreover when it doesn't appear on the lists because my name has "disappeared".

A posterior intercambiamos dos mensajes más→ https://gyazo.com/011b39949e31d985602338c2f387f5b9
Afterwards we interchanged two more messages→ https://gyazo.com/011b39949e31d985602338c2f387f5b9

En el que me amenazaron sutilmente. Dos meses después de no tener noticias suyas publican esto.
In these message they subtly threatened me. After not hearing from them for 2 months they publish this.

Después de todo siento que me SteelPhoenix me ha maltratado de mala manera. Esta situación le podría haber pasado a cualquier jugador y, si siendo un jugador reconocido y con buena reputación en la comunidad de poker me han hecho esto, no quiero imaginarme lo que me hubieran hecho si fuera un jugador que juega Spin and Go’s de 2$.
After all I feel SteelPhoenix has mistreated me. This situation could have happened to any player and despite being a recognized and reputable player in the poker community they have done this to me, I don't want to imagine what would have happened if I were a $2 Spin and Go's player.
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05-30-2020 , 01:07 PM
First of all, we'd like to notice, that there is no financial interest of administration in this situation. This is the money of the pool players and that's it. Players trust us their calculations and we have a responsibility to solve any kind of controversive situations to bring the money back to the pool.

What are the EV corrections?
EV corrections are the difference between EV before and after the hand history verification.
Corrections can appear cause of two things:
1. Hand history loss/error because of bad connection.
2. Difference of the calculation algorythms between trackers.

Our pool is calculated with the algorythm of HM2. paphelito uses PT4 and there is always a difference in the logic of 3-way spots and shortstack all-in with two calls calculations.

paphelito have got corrections to his favour during couple of months with the screenshots from HM2 to ascertain the truth of results. There were no complains or questions regarding these corrections.

And then he got a big correction on February. His period's volume was 3630 tournaments with -$6766 EV.
After hh check his results were changed to 3634 tournaments (4 tournaments more) and -$8110 EV.

Why do we have such a results:
1. Technical bug of PS. Some part of 100s were marked as 9300€+700€ instead of 93€+7€. That's why player's PT4 couldn't match them with 100s filter.
2. Player filtered his dates from January 21st to February 21st. And he had to filter it up to 20th of February. That's why he had an extra day in his report and by unhappy coincidence these extra tournaments matched with the number of missing ones.
3. The difference between HM2 and PT4.

We have shown all this info during the call with paphelito. He had looked into his database and found the tournaments with 9300€+700€ buy-in. After that he was convinced, that our calculations are correct and he was totally committed with the results. He also confirmed, that he will transfer $2819.

With regard to the results from 21st to 25th, maybe we're looking at this the wrong way.
Steel Phoenix has a rule, that player can leave the pool only after the current period ends. paphelito told us, that he wants to exit the pool on February 25. This means, that he could leave the pool from 21th of March. But we decided to make an exception and let him go out from the next day after his request, from February 26.
And furthermore, we decided to cancel the pool fee for his for these days.

Of course, we need to calculate paphelito's results from 21st to 25th of February. Let's imagine the abstract situation with any other player: he enters the pool on 21st, plays 5 days and then just leave without showing his results. How would you call that? He could go over EV, so all the players of the pool won't get this money and definitely will consider such a player SCAM. Despite our desire to solve the problem with paphelito, we need to calculate these 5 days as this is not the money of administration but players'.

After we'll get the audit and validate his EV, paphelito will be included in the table of the pool.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 06-23-2020 at 05:39 AM. Reason: Edited as per poster's request.
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06-01-2020 , 10:20 PM
name (uncertain): Christian Dortmunder
2+2 name: Barrios
Pokerstars: Tearing18
Skype: dortmunder1908

Sent an amount totaling $460 for staking purposes. Has since cut communication and ignored all attempts at being contacted.
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06-05-2020 , 09:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by msusyr24-new
Name: Róbert Termeczky
Stars: termo80

After six weeks with us, Robert asked us to increase his stakes. One of our questions we always ask when reviewing move-up requests is "Will you need a loan in the next 3 months?" Robert responded "not likely" to this.

Days after submitting this answer, Robert asked us for a loan. Being this early with us and having this type of communication issue is not something we have patience for.

We informed Robert we were choosing to part ways. We asked he send the Pocarr cash he holds to us and explained he owes us none of the makeup--that would be written off. Robert left our Skype chats, deleted me as a Skype contact, and has not sent us any funds. It has been ~48 hours.

Given we do not know the exact amount in Robert's accounts and that he's not communicating with us, we're marking this down as $200 owed (the full starting bankroll amount). We are still ignoring the makeup.

Robert owes us $200.
How did it end? Did the player return the money?
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06-16-2020 , 02:50 PM
A settlement *and* one of the more flattering 'mugshot' photos in this thread? What a boss.
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06-29-2020 , 11:38 AM
Name: Rodrigo Palmeira de Castro
Pokerstars: Guigo castro
Pokerstars.es: FORTNITEBR1
Party: Guigocastro / Mbappe
Pokerking: Netflix / Guigo Castro
888: guigo_castro

Adress: Santa Catarina / Brazil

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rodrigo.castro.90834
Email: guigo_bc_17@htmail.com
Skype: rodrigo.castro426



We started working with Rodrigo Palmeira de Castro in April, 2017. In October, 2019 Rodrigo asked us to put the deal on hold for health reasons. We agreed and asked him only for the funds in his account back.

Rodrigo Palmeira de Castro claimed Party Poker verification problems, never returned funds and then stopped responding to our contact attempts. We've since re-established contact but he admitted that he stole the balances in his account.

Rodrigo Palmeira de Castro owes us $11.7k
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06-30-2020 , 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnerBPoker
Name: Aaron West
Email: strongside313@gmail.com
ACR: SportsBetJunkie

I've done a few transactions with this player and everything was smooth. On the 19th of this month, I sent him $300 ACR and he agreed to pay me zelle. It's been 6 days later and I've yet to be paid. He was online today with no response back. Do not deal with this scammer.
Kinda ironic you post here when you're a known scammer.



Quote:
Originally Posted by LFGStaking
Hello,

We've staked Brandon Turner slightly over a year ago in LFG, we did a quick research and decided to put him in after a referral from another student of ours that is currently in LFG. Brandon initially started out playing the 11$
bi, after being down ~3k we decided to run a normal standard company procedure audit. Initially he refused to allow us to audit him, thinking we were just attacking him personally and it wasn't right that we were just auditing him only.

As a new company we actually did a group audit and are now following closely every single one of our current horses accounts. Overtime, Brandon decided to allow us to let us audit him, we figured out he ended up playing cash games and losing the money there. We agreed over time (few months ago), that we would allow a monthly payment of 200$ / month until we cleared out the full 3000$ and we would both end up going on our own way.

After initially making 5 payments, he disappeared 2 months ago, no longer responding to us through Skype. We attempted to contact him through multiple sources (Facebook and our student who initially referred us). As our
student informed us, it seemed as if he made no intentions to pay, his GF ignored us and he wanted to take our student to 'court' for attempting to report him and his lack of payment status to everyone in any way he
possibly could.

Do not deal with or Stake Brandon Turner for the time being. If he chooses to fix the situation we will let you know.

Last payment made.
https://gyazo.com/f84c7ea684b3d4eeac240e3c7bbe8f87

He initially binked a MTT, and we attemped to retrieve the funds faster. He ended up saying this, we let it slide and
decided to continue to accept monthly payments.
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07-05-2020 , 04:17 PM
A further update on

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
An update on


Ivan Maciel Neto

Pokerstars ID: evaaaaaaaaan (Brazil)

Skype: e.dutch

email: ivanmaciel3@gmail.com



We have been in contact and we agreed to terms to settle the past issue. He agreed to five equal payments and he made the first payment, and I am confident that he will keep his end of the bargain. He has definitely grown as a person since my initial post, which is a nice change of pace from the norm of this thread, and other backers should feel free to back him at their discretion. We wish Ivan the best of luck with his poker endeavors.

He reached out today and settled the remaining amount that was owed. We wish Ivan the best of luck in all his future endeavors.
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07-05-2020 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
A further update on




He reached out today and settled the remaining amount that was owed. We wish Ivan the best of luck in all his future endeavors.
Thank you and sorry for the delay. My word is my bond.
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07-09-2020 , 08:06 PM
I would like to report on Derik Battle.

Skype: to cool
2p2: Kangatoo123

Derik Battle was seeking a stake from my team and did not respect that I was looking for things that verified his identity, such as Facebook. In any case, we scuffled a bit when I declined the stake, to which his response was that he would seek me out in the future with a different identity in order to get a stake simply so that he could drain my funds dry.

Of course, this proves that A) he WAS originally a scammer, and B) he is a vindictive little **** and obviously a poor investment.

Here is the Skype convo:

https://gyazo.com/d32e7ee1a1b5d9c0162b6c0947a74eb4
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07-10-2020 , 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortStackHero
I would like to report on Derik Battle.

Skype: to cool
2p2: Kangatoo123

Derik Battle was seeking a stake from my team and did not respect that I was looking for things that verified his identity, such as Facebook. In any case, we scuffled a bit when I declined the stake, to which his response was that he would seek me out in the future with a different identity in order to get a stake simply so that he could drain my funds dry.

Of course, this proves that A) he WAS originally a scammer, and B) he is a vindictive little **** and obviously a poor investment.

Here is the Skype convo:

https://gyazo.com/d32e7ee1a1b5d9c0162b6c0947a74eb4
if you dont already, make unknowns hold their id and take a picture with it next to their face, like being verified on skrill for example. facebook verification is ok too i guess. good job.

its not foolproof but its alot of extra work to have to print and laminate a fake id and maybe they will just give up.

unfortunately, its very easy purchase fake id pictures, and i assume its not difficult to fake pt4 results. gotta be careful out here. good luck.
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07-19-2020 , 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knittle
Kinda ironic you post here when you're a known scammer.
You're seriously an idiot with no life. I haven't scammed anyone.

*

Edit/MH: See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4670

Last edited by Mike Haven; 05-13-2023 at 03:42 PM.
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07-20-2020 , 12:38 PM
Name: Patrick Anthony Rowe
Pokerstars: what_u_on
Adress: United Kingdom
Email : sighletsflip@gmail.com
Discord: what_u_on#7217



We have been working with Patrick Rowe since April, 2020.

On June 7, 2020, Patrick Rowe informed us that he had made two unauthorized withdrawals from his Pokerstars account to resolve personal issues.

We attempted to resolve the situation by setting up a payment plan and continuing to work with him.

On June 18 Patrick Rowe informed us that he would take a week off to regain confidence after a downswing. Since then Patrick Rowe has missed his payment, not played, and stopped responding to our attempts at contact.

Patrick Rowe owes us $2.9k
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07-26-2020 , 04:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnerBPoker
You're seriously an idiot with no life. I haven't scammed anyone.
Just to get this clear, what Knittle has last posted is still our most recent payment he has made & TurnerBPoker still owes us 2000$.
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08-01-2020 , 06:00 AM
Daryl stole £7250

Name: Daryl James Green
Pokerstars: DJG1989
888: Ckcallckfold
Party: Deej2019

Address: United Kingdom residing in Philippines
Email : boredofbreaks@hotmail.com
Skype: boredofbreaks
Discord: DJG#2559
WApp: +63 936 930 1676


After an 8 year history of on-off staking due to various transgressions with gambling issues, always being broke, rule breaks etc we took Daryl back on two weeks ago as he was in a desperate personal situation and it was hoped the proviso's we put in place would allow him to prosper. Although he has displayed degen tendencies in the past, he has never gone as far as stealing funds prior to this.

A week into the staking, having built up a £4250 deficit, DJG1989 chopped the $55 KO on Stars for $5.3k and also won another small competition for $800 – thus having £7250 in his Pokerstars account.

He asked for a loan via Western Union as an advance and even though his overall P&L was only +£900 we immediately sent him £500 via Western Union to help him through his personal financial issues.

He updated his balance after the next day’s play as £6750, sent some messages about how he can't afford to think long-term.

The next day he had blocked his Sharkscope and deleted his previous balance update, along with every other message posted in the team server since he rejoined – and every message in his private messages.

Daryl has not responded to any correspondence so it’s presumed that he has stolen these funds. Daryl is still playing his DJG1989 account during this time with our funds.

I've since spoke to others that he has borrowed money from then 'disappeared' without trace.

DJG1989 owes £7250
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08-01-2020 , 09:13 AM
Name: Dino Sabatini
Stars.eu: dinos622
GGPoker: dinos622
Party: UhavenoHUD
Stars.es: dinos62222
WPN: dinos622
888: paythepiper2

In January of this year we found Dino's audit to be off around $2,000. He said he would give his brother money and he would pay back. We moved him down in stakes and added this to makeup. Dino recovered both the funds and the trust lost with many months of zero issues.

Yesterday he informed us that all of the money in his accounts is gone and he made a mistake. We don't know the details at this time but want to post to protect other backers as we would hope others would do.

We are awaiting an explanation from Dino and will attempt to work this out with him. We will update as appropriate.
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08-01-2020 , 09:50 AM


Dino owes us $11,164.13.

Keywords: Dinos622, Dino Sabatini, dinos622

Last edited by msusyr24-new; 08-01-2020 at 09:52 AM. Reason: added keywords for search
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08-03-2020 , 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerwinners1
Daryl stole £7250

Name: Daryl James Green
Pokerstars: DJG1989
888: Ckcallckfold
Party: Deej2019

Address: United Kingdom residing in Philippines
Email : boredofbreaks@hotmail.com
Skype: boredofbreaks
Discord: DJG#2559
WApp: +63 936 930 1676


After an 8 year history of on-off staking due to various transgressions with gambling issues, always being broke, rule breaks etc we took Daryl back on two weeks ago as he was in a desperate personal situation and it was hoped the proviso's we put in place would allow him to prosper. Although he has displayed degen tendencies in the past, he has never gone as far as stealing funds prior to this.

A week into the staking, having built up a £4250 deficit, DJG1989 chopped the $55 KO on Stars for $5.3k and also won another small competition for $800 – thus having £7250 in his Pokerstars account.

He asked for a loan via Western Union as an advance and even though his overall P&L was only +£900 we immediately sent him £500 via Western Union to help him through his personal financial issues.

He updated his balance after the next day’s play as £6750, sent some messages about how he can't afford to think long-term.

The next day he had blocked his Sharkscope and deleted his previous balance update, along with every other message posted in the team server since he rejoined – and every message in his private messages.

Daryl has not responded to any correspondence so it’s presumed that he has stolen these funds. Daryl is still playing his DJG1989 account during this time with our funds.

I've since spoke to others that he has borrowed money from then 'disappeared' without trace.

DJG1989 owes £7250
Update:

We have made it absolutely clear to the player via email (Which he has responded too without agreeing) that until a satisfactory resolution is made:

> Every unauthorised game the player plays and subsequently cashes in will be ON STAKE with profits added to the total he owes

> Every unauthorised game the player plays and does not cash in will not be considered on stake

Due to the fact that he is using our stolen funds to play these games.


Updated Amount Owing


Daryl 'DJG1989' Green played the $530 Medium Stadium Series Grand Final and is currently sat 273/344. He has locked up $1,521.27 so £1163 has now been added to the £7250 he previously stole.

New balance is £8413
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08-03-2020 , 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerwinners1
Update:

We have made it absolutely clear to the player via email (Which he has responded too without agreeing) that until a satisfactory resolution is made:

> Every unauthorised game the player plays and subsequently cashes in will be ON STAKE with profits added to the total he owes

> Every unauthorised game the player plays and does not cash in will not be considered on stake

Due to the fact that he is using our stolen funds to play these games.


Updated Amount Owing


Daryl 'DJG1989' Green played the $530 Medium Stadium Series Grand Final and is currently sat 273/344. He has locked up $1,521.27 so £1163 has now been added to the £7250 he previously stole.

New balance is £8413
His pokerprolabs is not locked

https://pokerprolabs.com/djg1989/pokerstars
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08-04-2020 , 12:15 PM
I have seen him around a few times, berating everyone at the tables
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08-07-2020 , 02:41 PM
Name: Alex Thomas Walton
Stars: awol987
Party: CauseAndEffect
WPN: keepchopping
GG: Guru1
888: urmamluvsit

Alex left all of our chats, is not replying to us anywhere, and blocked his sharkscope. At this point we are expecting the worst. We will update when we have more information.
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08-13-2020 , 07:04 AM
Name: Sebastian Wagner
Country: Germany
Skype: DonSeppi86
email: sebiwagner86@gmail.com
Pokerstars: DonSeppi86
Owes: 600$

He disappeared with 600$.
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08-15-2020 , 11:17 AM
Name: Абрамов Николай Николаевич
Stars: zharkaef
888: IWIN1PLACE
Stars.es: ThankGod_I'm_me
Party: ThankGod_Im_me
GG: daydream911

Zharkaef disappeared for one week after having an $11k score. With $12k makeup he should have just about cleared his makeup. It's unusual to not receive money within a few days. We asked him about this after 7 days of not receiving and he let us know he had been hacked and lost the money. We asked to have a call to discuss this further and he did not reply to that or our subsequent Emails. It's now been 12 days since this score and we've received one message from him about being hacked and that's it.

As a precaution to other backers, we are posting here. This is an unusual situation and we will update as we get more information on exactly what happened.
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