Name: Tsukalenko Pavel (Цукаленко Павел Василиевич)
PokerStars: Pablo238
Party: forrestGamp
888: SharkForrestRun
Pokerstars.es: 23RunForestRun

Stole ~$5,000. Our losses did not match Sharkscope. We reached out to a friend of his who confirmed that he has stolen. We are waiting for a response but felt the need to post immediately.

user paid it back

Name: Carlos Ronielle do Vale Nascimento
PartyPoker: crazy_ferasi11
888: ellocoferasi
PokerStars: ellocoferasi
WPN: ellocoferasi
iPoker: ellocoferasi
PartyPoker: lokofera
888: roniellesi

After auditing Carlos and finding some discrepancies, he admitted to withdrawing (stealing) money. We chose to part ways in February 2018 and set up a repayment plan for the money stolen + makeup. He repaid without issue through August 2018. He has missed the last 3 months of payments.

Carlos still owes us $3,250.

X-posting.

Cardschat username: amuna1225
Relevant poker site usernames: AJ1992 (BCP), Amuna1992 (ACR), AJ1225 (BetOnline), AJ1992 (SportsBetting Poker), Amuna1225 (Intertops Poker).
Real Name: Aiman Jarrar
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/AimanJarrar/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AimanJarrar
Link to Stake (Scam) Thread: https://www.cardschat.com/f64/aj1992...3/#post4781627

Description: Staked him for $30 to play $3.30 and under MTTs + $0.55 On Demands on Black Chip Poker. After a bad start to the stake, he ran the roll up to $100+. Within 12 hours, he had played $80 worth of tournaments that were not agreed upon for the stake, bricking all. He owned up to his mistake and said he would pay back. After I sent him a payment plan, Aiman went silent and according to Sharkscope, has been playing on other poker sites without my knowledge using his own money, in a clear attempt to try and gamble his way back to paying the debt in full while having not made any payments to me. Disgusting.

DO NOT TRUST DO NOT STAKE AIMAN JARRAR aka AJ1992

Daniel is currently PM'ing our players and asking for a "reload". We do not stake him and haven't since I made the above post in 2017.

Hey, another member of the stable hijacked my skype and went through this abuse. I can prove it with our conversation, i had no info of old stable members and all were deleted but one Scott which is now resigned, so the same person that hijacked me had info about your group and people inside it to add them and pm them.

Name: Zi Jung
ACR: LeggoPoker1
True: MayaNormusHughJass
Amount: $500 unpaid in a Paypal for P2P deal

Basically Zi and I had been "friends" and he wanted help loading money on the site so he paypal me $750 but it sent as an echeck. The funds had not been cleared into my acct, but he insisted I send and we had done several smaller deals so I did. The echeck was taking weeks so we agreed to cancel and he'd resend normal way. He sent me $350(stating hed send rest when echeck returned), of which he asked me to send him $100 P2P and I said ok

Then he stopped returning my messages, dodging my phone call, and so I sent him a message saying I think youre scamming me. Now this set him off on a tirade where he absolutely lost it and now is refusing to send me the $ owed. He's gone so far as to blast stuff I had told him as friends about my personal life when I see him at tables. Just thought I'd post this here to warn others and see if possibly anyone knows Zi and could help reason with him. This is obv a cliff notes cersion of it and I'd be more than willing to provide all screenshots from both skype and text.

Name: Aleksei Babenko (Бабенко Алексей Алексеевич)
GaladrieLua (PartyPoker)
GaladrieL|ua (PokerStars)
Mr.Mrs.Potter (PokerStars(FR-ES-PT))
No_Pasaran_ (PartyPoker)

Three weeks into backing Aleksei we were informed by another backer that they also back him...

Aleksei owes us $300.

Name: Tiberiu-Mihai Grigore
Stars: Tibikuss
Winamax: gelutzu_4u
888Poker: 0Hask0

Tibi stole money. He had many opportunities to come forward. Even after asking for an audit he did not say anything. After we found discrepancies in the audit he admitted stealing. Tibi sent us the audit we requested but did not say anything and was hoping we would miss this.

We've asked for a repayment plan for <50% of makeup and have given him 90 days to send the first payment so that he has time to find a job. We will update if this gets repaid.

$6,500 to be repaid at $200/mo - first payment to be by March 5th.

Name: Hrvoje Pesut
Pokerstars: Hrvoje1712
888: hrvoje1712

We've been working with Hrvoje Pesut for about 7 weeks, 3 of them where he disappeared and have completely fallen off of contact. For now we recommend to tread carefully, and to stay away from working with him. He stole for a total of 50 Euros.

Hello, my name is Hrvoje Pesut and I worked in the group with Goran Mandic (mandza17) and Sasa Ikac. (LFG Staking).
I made a living for myself by playing in 3 poker groups in 5 years of my modest career. I worked with the 5,6 bosses who led me then, many coaches and I was in the group with over a hundred players. And in 5 years we didnt have even the smallest problem in the transfer money, atmosphere in the group and every player was treated equally.
During that career I have never seen a worse atmosphere than it was in LFG's staking. In 4 weeks I have experienced more of the bad treatment than in 5 years of work with 3 different groups. They treat you as a robot, which you need to print money. And they also admitted a few times that didn't like me from the beginning.
With 3 of these 5 bosses, I became one of the best friends, we helped whenever we could. Came face to face every time it was needed because that is what everyone in this business needs. Support people around ourselves for the player and the boss to maintain a positive atmosphere in the group and better prepare for upcoming ups and downs. This job is a very tough, and the support from the players' superiors means more than any conquering money. They didn't know to speak with the players on basically.
Although, the contract stated that coaching would be twice a week, they were short and not so interesting. They did not want to provide programs that would help us in the game. Although they took me through the referrals and did not know that I did not have enough money, they refused to loan me when I asked them if I can get from them $ 200 for rent, if I dont bink anything in the next 10 days. After I tell them that they should think about it, that will reduce the pressure from the players who are in though time, they threatened me with GG.
They gave me a few times some kind of random warnings for the sake of the little things and they played out the force without any special reason. We had some disagreement over general work in group, and every time I did not agree with it, they threatened to throw me out.
After we had agreed mutual termination , I had $ 2,000 in the account, split a few bucks and sent them everything I had at that time on the accounts. They accused me of stealing their money after they did not check their transfers.
I went out to meet them and gave them all the data with all the accounts, though I did not have to let them check it all. It lasted for several days.
$ 50 for which they accuse me of not returning them is still on the bill and I will return it.
For a few days I've been thinking of what my response should be to this.
I know that this forum does not read random players who will enter them, but will help some. I wish them all the best, and I think that every player in their group deserve to be threaten as equal to them, not like fk animals and robots.

A lot of faulty claims in here:

-First Hrovje was referred to us and didn't go through our selection process which is our own mistake, that's something we won't deny.
-He was treated more unfairly which partially semi true, this is because we at LFG have 0% tolerance to bad beat and whining. He didn't follow the rules multiple times and we warned him. Interestingly I can provide Skype chat logs where people that understand the language can see that he is the only one sending bad beats and whines the whole time.
-Another faulty claim and actually a lie is that we didn't provide any programs? We never said you'll get any program from us as we don't have programs that aren't on the market. We gave him ranges that he didn't stick to and that is recorded on video.

For Hrvoje, it felt that he has some old habits that he developed in the past and that isn't met with us, normally in our questionnaire we also ask about the financial status of our candidates and base our decision on that as well. Since he was recommended to us he didn't go through the normal procedure so he based his past experience as standard and asked us to pay for his rent which we as a company at this stage simply don't do. He didn't behave nicely and went on a rant about how it's supposed to be done, what are we expecting and in general shared his opinion. We disagreed on this and he still stayed with us(chat logs/screenshots available).

Next thing we told him, don't play turbos he said he can't do that and we agreed to part ways. All of a sudden he started the cash-out process without our instructions. In the process we were pretty harsh on him as SS balance and PS BR we're huge difference as it was almost 130BI for 3.3$. After checking the audit we saw that he was correct but realized he transferred money between his accounts without our approval. He didn't take any money for himself but LFG paid 2-3% vig on XE rates which we try to reduce as much as possible, he is to this day the only player in LFG that did this(sample 17 players). Due to this action that we didn't approve we deducted the XE fee from his profit split when we parted ways.

It's true that we were harsh on him during the deal termination, but he is the one who used derogatory words from gypsy, little Jews and the whole rant(chat logs available).After that he sent back most of the balance that he owed us besides the 50EUR. I've contacted him numerous time(5times to be precise-chat logs available) from 12.11.2018. and he didn't reply. Now he was almost 5x time faster in response although in my messages I was warning him that I don't want to do it publicly but he doesn't leave me any choice, now here we are where we wish we wouldn't have been. In general the whole cooperation is partially also LFG faults as it was clear that we just aren't a match.

In terms of volume I can't say anything bad as he seem to be a solid grinder, for coaching we gave him 200min recorded 1-1 coaching and 1 session non recorded + 1 group coaching in his 3 weeks stay. Now other stable owners can make there opinion if this is a lot or not. To the topic of the coaching being not interesting, well that his personal view and right to feel that. In the end our results as a stable will do the talk. As a coach I can't tell if he was a good student as he didn't follow instructions/ranges and the proof is in the recorded videos. He is a player that has certain habits/opinions that he developed during the years and for any future staker this will be the key for a successful cooperation.

We wish him GL and looking forward to settle the requested amount soon.

Damage done to stable/owners by hrvoje1712 post have be way way more then 50$.

I am suprised that stable funders who have made hundreds of thousands $ in poker profit went over all this privately and publicly over 50$ and just did not let it go.
To anyone considering this stable, i personally think this is very big warning sign that all this happened (Even if described events is only partially true) over 50$ while there is more or less poker millionaires involved.

u guys must be hard up for cash if u are black listing someone for $50 in exchange fees

Lol wtf @ charging him for XE fees. U should @ least chop It with him. He was trying to win for u guys. Jesus

What?

What're you even talking about? The stable wanted to keep it private, obviously. It's a small amount, but it's not about the money.. it's about following guidelines and a contract.

Just because they're well off, doesn't mean you don't want money that is rightfully yours. Anyone with a brain could read both of these posts and see who is in the wrong, and it's obviously the person who stole money.

What you're saying is the same as a store owner allowing employees to steal from the register, and instead of doing something, they should just forget it because they're well off... think of the outcomes from that:
1) More employees steal because its "forgotten"
2) The store owner comes across as easy to take advantage of


I've spoken a lot to the guys in LFG, and they're all good guys. They might be harsh, but it's because they expect you to be professional in everything you do, mainly because they don't want issues but also because they know what it takes to succeed in poker.

Yes, obviously guy who stole money is in wrong it their money what they might want get back. And stable is in "right" here.
By "damage" i mean that now when someone search their posts in 2+2 or google for stable name - good player who looking for stable might pass because theses posts and/or accusations of bad stable environment or something else.

I am just suprised they went public first over 50$ risking post from player (even if post is full of false accusations).
If they did put way too much time and effort going after 50$ while was able focus on way more profitable things is another question and i will obviously not try answer that as it not my business.

Hope it clears things up. I was not suggesting that rich high stakes stable owner should not try get 50$ back if they can but i am suprised with all effort and risks to stable reputation what went into it.

Also i want note while warning against this stable I was just me expressing my personal opinion after being staked by 4-5 different stables over last several years. I personally see this effort and going public over 50$ while in same time having staking thread where showcasing their 500k+ profit as warning sign.
It might still be best stable ever and admit that i have very limited information about it and might be totally wrong.

I did not read it as outright stealing. LFG Staking didn’t say is outright stealing. And LFG Staking admit to treat him unfairly and harsh.

I understand they want to set an example. But the damage to reputation is much greater than $50. Maybe his 17 players will never steal a penny fearing the repercussions, but winning players who have the potential to win much more than $50 will stay away.

Not that anyone intend to steal, but a disagreement may arise and they maybe posted in this thread for a puny sum due to transfer fee is enough of a deterrent.

But this is just my opinion.

why would winning players that have much more potential to win more then $50 stay away?

for one they wouldn't need a stake because they can generally make a living on there own already without us because they have enough skills so it generally means the following. In the staking environment it's generally the following :

1) they gambled to high (lost it in craps / football / over spending on girls whatever...)

2) they aren't skilled enough to understand how to survive in the poker industry.

3) they want a coaching for profit like program, without having to expose them to any risks themselves. Getting a good mentor, bankrolling them and teaching them the ins and outs we've learned throughout the year.
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We may not be the best poker players, but I guarantee we are one of the best gamblers - we pick where we win. We are good poker players, but we are also proud game selectors and we welcome people with open arms who want to do this for a living while playing a good CRUSHING strategy.

- We realize we are underdogs already, there are a lot of great company's out there running a great MTT business, we are new to the industry so we will (generally) get the leftover players that the other stables have rejected as an applicant so what this also means is that, back to the topic of "winning players who have the potential to win much more then $50 will stay away" generally do anyway. Thankfully we've managed to gather up a strong team of players who seem to have been overlooked / managed to believe in what we can do for them and are focused on building what we can. We are doing just fine.

We actually had a player who coached/ wants staking up to the 215$s (Quality player!!) (he can choose to respond here if he reads the message), whom we've recommended to go else where because we don't want the same things he wants / thinks he'd be able to fit in else where.

If you talk to us we are straight up, we say our points we have our own beliefs in things and we may be hard on certain things just out of principles, if this ruins our reputation with a few extra players we are OK with this. Look we kick people out for complaining about bad beats, we hate certain **** and to be honest at LFG we don't need that stuff in our lives.

What we at LFG care about:
Warren Buffet's philosphy of
1: Never lose money.
2: Never forget rule No. 1
3: Winning at poker, if this means game selecting to win, do it. If this means playing the lowest stakes, do it. If this means to battling against the top players do it. As a company we want to make the most money, we are money hungry because one our players have a need (MONEY!!) to pay the bills, to become a professional poker player etc and two this is the only way to determine the success of our company we need to produce above and beyond results. If a student is a genius at theory and makes no money, who gives a ****? If we make a lot of money, our student makes a lot of money and can begin there own journey to make a lot more with or without us in the future.
4: Principles. We have our beliefs, it can easily be swayed please put a dispute where we are in the wrong and we are happy to come to an agreement and settle. We believe we have done nothing wrong in this incident and are willing to come out to "risk" our reputation. Yes even over 50$. We look stupid, ok we pay. NO problem. We are people who are learning about the business industry.

name : Petr Jaksic
country : Czech Republic
stars : Karimaster
e-mail : jaksicpetrcz@gmail.com

Petr joined the team of players I am backing, faked his pt4 results while likely not playing any hands and owes me the initial stake amount as well as a reload, has not been in contact since other than getting back to me once regarding him being sorry and that he would send me back the money, which he never did

Petr owes me $600 and I would stay away from any dealings with him

Winning poker players can run bad in or outside of poker. They might have helped out a family member, recently purchase a property, have medical problems, have a child. They might want to reduce variance for a % of profit.

You must have ran really pure if you believe winning players must never need a stake. And there are more to life than money, you sounded like grant cardone.

What you said in the first half is related to 1 in the "whatever" category.

This running bad in poker (at the tables) is not true, but your certainly right we could have ran good outside of the tables which made us win at the tables- met the right people, found the right strategy, got in poker at the right time, etc.

Obviously there is more to life then money health above wealth mostly always (except if you can make example : "1 million dollars" amount by trading example: "1 year of your life" amount of health to set yourself up for life then it's a topic to reconsider - at least for me it is). We said our job at LFG is to win money at poker, and the only way to measure things is to be above and beyond in results. I don't understand why you have to say something like this. What is your point?

My point is that anyone decent might check your 11 posts on 2+2 your posts history (or google LFGstaking) and might pass on your offer for whatever reason.

(Whatever it is publicly going after 50$, accusations of bad environment, anything overall in player responce or your responce to him, your later posts on your thinking on staking and reasons for it, trying to defend yourself from random 2+2 posters or what they see as your values in recent posts)

Debate if money won is only thing what is measure in staking stable is another question, i am not going to try answer it but some questions someone might consider before taking deal/during deal (As in regular job):
Would you win small % less but have better work environment?
How much profit worth is that "boss" is super stressed and angry on me every time i go into downswing?
How much profit worth is that stable is known for giving random warnings and threatening players?
How much worth is that owner is being rude against other players/me and use slurs what is against my ethics?
Does stable owner come off as only caring about money? (And not other things what i feel is also important in staking agreement)
What theses stable 2+2 posts warns me about?

Semi-fish/Weak regular who have never been staked, i would assume more often then good regulars just go with stable who offer deal as they don't get that much offers.

I think that good players who have been in poker industry longer (and maybe have been already staked before) already know what stables overall/stable owners/stable environment is about and maybe have burned themselfes with bad stables already. They are just more picky and do more background check (like checking your few 2+2 posts) and maybe ask people around about stable.

For example: Some time ago there was thread where well known staker had trouble with player over big money, additionally to other bs things staker went after players family and was rude about his role as father and husband. I would think he ruined his reputation enough that some good players already passed on his offer.
This is extreme example but saying your 2+2 posts and history (going after 50$/other posts) not effect anyone decision (Even if they generally stay away anyway) if they even apply or take deal is nonsense. Taking this "risk" over 50$ is surprising to me.

Debate if money won is only thing what is measure in staking stable is another question, i am not going to try answer it but some questions someone might consider before taking deal/during deal (As in regular job):

Would you win small % less but have better work environment? Depending on the %, but I think a lot of the times I would yes because there is a bit more to "money", things you can learn subconsciously & consciously is quite important about => life, business, what the future of poker looks like, etc etc.

How much profit worth is that "boss" is super stressed and angry on me every time i go into downswing?

We have never been stressed with someone who is on a downswing to be honest we have money, we are doing this for character development, learning more about business, networking, having more opportunities for games, improving our poker skills (best way to learn is by teaching).

What we are angry about: People who cry about losing all the time, dishonest people who cheat in funds (i.e fake transaction histories), people who don't meet volume requirements, don't care about growth/improving daily in some way for poker & life, shows no effort - and mostly doesn't care about our teachings/suggestions.

How much profit worth is that stable is known for giving random warnings and threatening players?

I am not sure why this is a negative thing, I think it's mostly a positive thing to give warnings to players to keep them in check. I have said it quite often, we aren't exactly one of those fun communities in our skype groups.

Anytime someone posted a bad beat/ or sent a "funny" hand we immediately stopped them because we see no point in this, we value our time as well.

How much worth is that owner is being rude against other players/me and use slurs what is against my ethics?

We have never (as far as I know) used slurs/ demeaning comments - we were the ones called gipsy etc.

Does stable owner come off as only caring about money? (And not other things what i feel is also important in staking agreement)

We don't care just about this, we just want constant progression in our group - in attitude, winning at the tables, work ethic, and in life => if they read books, go to the gym, improve in things etc, it just so happens our niche is POKER - so we measure things by => How many HH are they posting a day? Are they studying on there own? What videos have they been watching to improve? How much money are they making? the list goes on and on, so far it seems to have mostly been working. A lot of our players are progressing quite fast in stakes.

What theses stable 2+2 posts warns me about?

I don't think any stable has a spotless reputation. They will have some hate/ dispute it is natural I think since opinions with people collide all the time. In our eyes it didn't matter if it was $50, or $500, I think it was bound to happen regardless. We realize how cut throat this staking industry is (seeing the past of all previous stables and even reading through this thread teaches you so much). I'm sure if you look around enough you can find same things, bad critiques, good critiques of all big stables.

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Anyway, we aren't in any rush to get more players, unless some magical thing happens we plan on accepting 1-3 players by the end of the year maximum. As a company this is already a handful, we aren't ready for an influx of people and we are working on improving our players, improving our system, etc. We're just looking for a few quality people with the correct mindset & work ethic.

We are always happy to learn about the ins & outs of what we could be doing wrong / improving on. ALWAYS. In my opinion being open minded is one of the most important things to be able to succeed at the poker tables, this skill has translated for us in the stable business world, and we are always learning something new together every day, something interesting always happens.

Wishing for you many successes in the now, and in the future Delfins. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, this was a lot for myself to think about and I took a lot away from this interaction with you. GL in everything and geniunely hope to see you around.