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Old 06-21-2018, 06:03 PM   #4426
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Re: **NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**

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Correction to this - our Latina division knew Herbert had a job and he had this while he was playing for us. This month he said he could no longer handle both and could not meet our requirements.
this stuff winds me up if hes now got a job willing to pay make up back or w/e and wants to end he should be allowed you cant own a person man this is the main reason i would get staked by some power play company its really awful why not do the noble think and let me go live his life and play oin his own dime aslong as your not down money dont give me the old we gave him vids he had access to just take the vise off his nutz man
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:48 PM   #4427
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Lot staking stables do 12-24 month agreements and if person leaves earlier in some of stables they need pay this "full buyout based on his EV for the remainder of his agreement".

@msusyr24, how is this "full buyout based on his EV for the remainder of his agreement" calculated exactly? If i leave in 1st month do i still need pay buyout for the remainder of agreement?
How you calculate EV $/per game or EV full amount exactly? is it based on current results? results after joining stable? estimated results after couching/videos?

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Old 06-22-2018, 12:26 AM   #4428
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a full buyout based on his EV for the remainder of his agreement
I've heard many crazy things when it comes to backing-deals, but this tops the list

For transparency, what is the name of your stable msusyr24-new? Just so I know to never apply there even if I'm living on the street.
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:12 AM   #4429
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Pro tip, do not sign contracts if you don't like its' TOC's.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:19 PM   #4430
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Pro tip, do not sign contracts if you don't like its' TOC's.
I'd reword this as: don't give your word if you don't like TOC's provided. Because the 'contracts' staking groups make you sign have as much legal value as the paper I use to wipe my a**.
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:39 PM   #4431
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thats beyond ridiculous... fell sorry for players that sign for this company
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:11 PM   #4432
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full buyout based on his ev for remainder of the contract.

thats bold... thinking you guys can do that for everyone to improve them that much to justify whatever Asinine # you came up with.

Opinion still hasn't changed.. probably some fantastic poker minds, but horribly run "business"
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:09 PM   #4433
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Pro tip, do not sign contracts if you don't like its' TOC's.
That's an amateur tip actually. The pro tip would be not to make contracts that aren't enforceable in any meaningful way because it's content completely disregards established legal standards. It's nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and the only thing both sides can rely on is the other being faithful.

Alexander Carr's attempts to exploit financially vulnerable people by having them pay some 'expected EV' when they choose to work instead of play poker is legal nor ethical, so breaking that gentleman's agreement is totally fine. Actually the maker of such a contract shows more moral deficiency then the one who's choosing to work instead of play poker and isn't able to fulfill it.


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Old 06-24-2018, 10:36 AM   #4434
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Pokerstars Screenname: bookmaker_85
Real name: Alexis Antonio Toledo Leal
Email: alexistoledoleal@hotmail.com / alexistoledoleal@gmail.com
Skype: live:alexistoledoleal_1
Country: Chile
Owes: $195 bankroll and $6,300 makeup

Alexis left us the following message:

"Hi, I want to tell you that I renounce samurai staking, I have no time or money to follow in Samurai, currently my daughter is living with me and it makes me difficult to attend couching as meeting the goals established, I want my thanks For all the support provided, now I want to start from scratch with my return account, I will not return the USD that I have left with that I'll start my new account."
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Old 06-26-2018, 09:48 AM   #4435
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herbertros

We should have been clearer on this situation.

Herbert informed us he could no longer meet our requirements. We asked that he not play more than 100 games per month for the remainder of 2018. We felt if he was going to end his 18 month agreement early with us due to not being able to hit our 300 game requirement, this would be easy to fulfill. He refused to agree to this.

Realizing he intended to put in fairly substantial volume with his own funds, we then asked for a buyout equal to 18% of his EV for the remainder of our agreement, which has been a standard buyout for us for years. He was unwilling to agree to this.

At this point we felt Herbert simply wanted to play for himself and that this is clearly negative feedback worthy for other stakers.

Herbert did not come to us and ask to reduce his requirements to 250 games or 200 games. Instead, he informed us he could not meet the requirements and then began playing for himself. He is playing an amount of games that in our view is unreasonable when choosing to end an 18 month agreement that we both signed, both parties had clear terms, and we have held up every term on our side.

We are not saying Herbert is a thief. This is not the "thief feedback forum". We're not creating him a website like we and others have done in the past for players. We are simply posting on a poker forum under "negative feedback" what we feel is negative feedback worthy. A thread designed for stakers to look through is where this belongs in our view. It is then up to other stakers to decide what they do with this information.

We often have stakers PM us on 2p2 or Skype and ask for clarifications on posts.
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Old 06-26-2018, 09:49 AM   #4436
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Name: Frank Lillis
Pokerstars: Denman98
Stars.fr: Denman98FR
Stars.es: FrankAbagnale98
888: Frankel98
Party: ShesgottheJack1

Frank has been with us since December 2013. In that time period he admitted to stealing funds twice. We continued to work with him. After these events, he won a promotion we held for our players and we still paid him the $1,000 prize. We also gave him a €739.77 loan for a new computer.

Last year, Frank went to the United States for several months without giving us any advance warning. This was yet another stain in our dealings with him.

Most recently, Frank let us know he was considering going to the United States again, several months in advance. We told him this would NOT be acceptable and that we must end our agreement and set up a repayment plan if he was going to take this trip. He agreed he would not take such a trip.

Fast forward two months and Frank is now in the United States. He went on the trip, against what we agreed on.

At this point, we must end our agreement. After so many issues we are uncomfortable backing Frank. He owes us $13,209.13.
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Old 06-26-2018, 10:06 AM   #4437
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Most recently, Frank let us know he was considering going to the United States again, several months in advance. We told him this would NOT be acceptable and that we must end our agreement and set up a repayment plan if he was going to take this trip. He agreed he would not take such a trip.
Can you expand on this more?
Why he was not allowed to make some random trip to USA without risk of end our agreement, was it also very long trip where he would miss months of playing? was there other reasons?

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Old 06-26-2018, 10:36 AM   #4438
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Don't want to come across as a hater as i think what you post and the way you go about it has improved alot recently however.

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herbertros

Herbert informed us he could no longer meet our requirements.
Your requirements are forcing a individual to gamble 300 times a month. Whether both parties signed this agreement or not the law of the land says you can't force someone to gamble on your behalf its absurd.

Also on the Denman post he has been with you 3 and a half years. Bringing up incidents from years ago that have been forgiven have as much meaning as previous profits you have chopped (did you chop alot of profit in that time?) If you're going to forgive previous indiscretions and continue hoping you both make money then forgive them. They have no relevance if a player wants to go to the USA. Forbidding your players from going on holiday citing your 300 game minimum requirement is outrageous.

You seem to want to speculate with no risk. When you invest in the stock market you don't get to make a money back guarantee clause with every investment. Your whole contract is worded that if its followed to the letter its a no lose situation. This is clearly not realistic.

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Old 06-28-2018, 12:28 AM   #4439
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hi everyone, im the admin of "samba spew poker team" and we are starting a latin american blacklist on google docs, if admins let me post it i will post the link here, also non spanish speakin backers could also access it if needed.

latin american backers, please contact me through PM to be one of this blacklist contributors or you can always message my team website on facebook for the same purpose.

thanks
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:24 AM   #4440
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Hello!
We are team Evil Ace and we want to bring to your attention a situation created by one of our former player: Bogdan Andrenoiu (SwatFBA is his username on PokerStars), Over the time we had some complications with him, because he presented some worrying issues: he was quickly to anger, losing his temper and ending up in losing the tournaments; difficult communication between backer/coach and player; lack of interest toward the game of poker in the downswing period. In short, at the moment of his biggest make-up so far, about 8000 euros, he stopped almost all communication with team Evil Ace for a period, he was totally absent from the coaching sessions, on the grounds that he would have broken his hand; we understand some problems, but not to come even for the online coaching sessions is beyond common sense. When he returned from this “vacation” we told him that he has to lower the stakes because he was away for a long period of time, at which time he replied calmly: “I am leaving without any problems if you want it!”, knowing that was almost impossible for us to let him go with that kind of make-up, for his 15$ average. After this episode we started to suspect that he was not trustworthy, and we set up a test for him: being in a 1000 make-up, we asked him to return our 5000 euros roll in his account and we can part ways fairly (it is clearly stipulated in the contract signed by both parts, that the stacker can let the player go at any time and the player can quit at any time, as long as he has not in make-up). We wanted to see how he reacts and since then the whole problem started: he said that he needs to settle with the manager Stefan Dragomir; he did not respond to any messages for about two weeks; finally he said that he will give us nothing, because we let him go without a warning. In conclusion, we did not want to let him go, we just tested him to see if we can trust him but unfortunately and to our expectations, he revealed himself and stole our money. Most likely he will lose everything and he will be looking for stacking; our advice, do not stack him as he is one of the lowest kind of scammer. P.S. this post will be deleted when he will return all the money! Bogdan Andrenoiu (SwatFBA is his username on PokerStars).
If someone needs more information can contact me at skype. my skype user is FerrariDSR.
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Old 06-28-2018, 02:17 PM   #4441
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Name: Damien Byrne
Pokerstars screenname: Damien666b
Country: Ireland

I staked Damien Byrne for PLO cash games on Pokerstars. Even though he was playing very low stakes, I provided him with several hours of quility coaching on the understanding he would be with me on a long-term which would make the effort worth while in the long run. For the first few weeks things went ok, he attended coaching and was putting in the volume. There were some red flags for me - his lack of organization, some very spewy hands and him showing less motivation than I would want at times, but I had hoped these issues would be ironed out in time. I put a lot of time into Damien Byrne, both in coaching and helping him to organize himself better for optimal results.

Suddenly, Damien Byrne dissapeared and stopped responding to my messages. It has been nearly 2 weeks now and I have given him multiple warnings that he needs to get in contact with me asap. Especially, given the effort I have put in to this deal this is extremely disrespectful behaviour. At this point, I have to conclude that Damien Byrne has scammed me for both the bankroll and the make-up.

Damien Byrne is a scammer and a thief and is not to be trusted.

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Old 06-29-2018, 02:02 PM   #4442
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Name: Damien Byrne
Pokerstars screenname: Damien666b
Country: Ireland

I staked Damien Byrne for PLO cash games on Pokerstars. Even though he was playing very low stakes, I provided him with several hours of quility coaching on the understanding he would be with me on a long-term which would make the effort worth while in the long run. For the first few weeks things went ok, he attended coaching and was putting in the volume. There were some red flags for me - his lack of organization, some very spewy hands and him showing less motivation than I would want at times, but I had hoped these issues would be ironed out in time. I put a lot of time into Damien Byrne, both in coaching and helping him to organize himself better for optimal results.

Suddenly, Damien Byrne dissapeared and stopped responding to my messages. It has been nearly 2 weeks now and I have given him multiple warnings that he needs to get in contact with me asap. Especially, given the effort I have put in to this deal this is extremely disrespectful behaviour. At this point, I have to conclude that Damien Byrne has scammed me for both the bankroll and the make-up.

Damien Byrne is a scammer and a thief and is not to be trusted.

After the post was made, Damien got in contact with me and explained he had had some personal issues and wasnt checking his messages. He agreed that this was unaceptable and has apologized. He also showed me that he had not been playing and the money was safe in the account. He has promised to not let it happen again and I hope we can both move forward now.
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Old 06-29-2018, 03:04 PM   #4443
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https://joaomartinsisathief.wordpress.com/

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Pokerstars ID; FLYINGGURU
Name; Joao Martins, from
Portugal but lives in Newcastle in UK.
Skype; flyingguru
Phone number; +44 7437 808171

Hello all, I am just posting this to inform of a recent scam I was apart of. I have been staking players to play low level mtt's and sngs. FLYINGGURU on pokerstars was one of them. When enquiring about a stake I asked him to opt in on stars and sharkscope to which he did. I have his all his details on file and I plan to use them in a legal defence. Now this player ran up MU into 2k quickly playing $11 and under. I always request transaction history after I send $1 to double check it's not an old print screen. The player refused for some days because I apparently already received one. I would not reload until I had seen and verified this. I also requested an audit. Eventually after his begging messages for more money I received the required documents however, the history had a tourney lobby covering (hiding quite blatantly) anything below the $1 (I still have it if it's required) again I wouldn't reload until this was changed so I could see all transactions from my original stake up until that day. Eventually he sent me it; it listed a received amount from another player for the sum of $350 and then withdrawn straight away which is also against pokerstars regulations. He had also withdrawn $150 after receiving $50 stellar (contract States rewards are 50/50) and told me the player who sent him the money was a friend. He had also sent the small change to result sites to block his name on opr and sharkscope, that particular day he was also hidden on pokerstars when I clearly stated all players must be unhidden during my stake, I used alternative software and found he had been playing spin n gos which specifically say spin n gos are not permitted and would end contract it found playing them. I got in touch with the player who sent the $350 to be told that he had also staked him and once he had sent the money to
FLYINGGURU he then blocked him on Skype and stole his money. I have not had any interaction since finding this information out and the player has blocked me on Skype. I have his contact details and address so will pursue another way of dealing with this particular matter. Legally of course. If anyone has any questions or wants more info add me on Skype or pm me here. Daryldee1988.
We somehow missed this post and backed this guy for $15 spins. Scammed us for $3k. He tried to borrow even more money from players in our group but we were lucky enough to stop his scam before the amount could grow even more. He's not responding to us since he realized he couldn't steal more money.


]Pokerstars ID; FLYINGGURU
Name; Joao Martins, from
Portugal
Skype; flyingguru
Phone number; +44 7437 808171

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Old 07-09-2018, 04:24 AM   #4444
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Pokerstars Screenname: zolykka
Real name: Racz Zoltan-Ludovic
Email: zolykka93@yahoo.com
Skype: zolyzoly.zolyzoly
Country: Romania
Owes: $800 makeup

Played several off stake games busting a large amount of the bankroll we provided for the games agreed.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:28 AM   #4445
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Pokerstars Screenname: Adrianov11
Real name: Adrian Hernando Castro Vergara
Email: adriancastrov@hotmail.com
Skype: live:adriancastrov
Country: Venezuela
Owes: $800 makeup

Adrian was a solid grinder for us for a few months and then disappeared in June and hasn't played or returned out bankroll. Not sent a screenshot since 28/05.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:06 PM   #4446
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Name: Naveen Selva
Skype: lilnavin1989
Email: naveen.selva@hotmail.ca
2+2 screen name: danger2call
Poker site screen name:
Pokerstars: lilnavinRTN
888 : lilnavin
Party Poker: danger2call

Naveen was staked to play 25NL and had $400 sent to him over the course of the stake. Over several months, he failed to meet volume requirements and also was out of communication (despite us telling him to contact us more frequently and stay in contact). After he nearly busted the bankroll and continued to have poor communication/volume, we agreed to doing a payment plan for half of the makeup ($200). Naveen never paid any money back and we are posting as a result.

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Old 07-09-2018, 06:28 PM   #4447
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why should he pay back the makeup exactly? did you guys drop him or did he drop you?
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:16 PM   #4448
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why should he pay back the makeup exactly? did you guys drop him or did he drop you?
He broke their contract.

He also didn't communicate well (assumption based on post) and cut off all communication.

They wouldn't post if they didn't try and reach out to him multiple different ways.

Put yourself in their shoes for once.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:03 PM   #4449
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He broke their contract.
Maybe, but it sounds like they didn't want to reload him.

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After he nearly busted the bankroll
If they chose not to reload him then the loss is on them.
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:26 PM   #4450
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So, there's been a lot of discussion about private info being posted, and a decision has to be made to more strictly enforce the rules that have actually always been in the OP of this thread. Specifically, the part that is bolded below.:

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Info to include in your post

1) 2+2 screen name.

2) Poker site name(s). Please.

3) AOL IM, emails, city, etc. Phone numbers, street addresses, photos/scans of ID and similar info is not permitted. Contact a mod about special circumstances.

4) A reasonably brief summary of the problem. No walls of text please, link to the thread if you like.
I did add one bit today: "photos/scans of ID", although I think it would be obvious that was also in the spirit of the rules as they were written - it just wasn't something people were posting at that time.

So, no significant change to the rules - just a clarification, and a reminder of what was already there.

If anyone wishes to discuss further:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...mmers-1712853/
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