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11-30-2017 , 06:54 PM
Real Name: Andrew Kagan
Email: andrewkagan@gmail.com
Twitter: @andrewkagan

Andrew was staked by Imawhale for online cash games. We experienced a variety of problems during Andrew's short relationship with Imawhale, including significant unreported losses.

Andrew was unreceptive to coaching and complained to our admin team, and after reviewing the video recording found he had misconstrued the coach's behavior. Andrew was unable to get along with other players in our group strategy chat, and eventually had to leave the group chat.

Imawhale decided to end the stake with Andrew, and spoke to him and agreed to swallow the makeup based on his current reported makeup total of $500. After finalizing his end of stake, it came to light that he had approximately an additional $4000 of unreported losses. Based on the track record of issues, Imawhale is eating the makeup and moving on.

Due to these issues we would advise against working with Andrew Kagan.
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12-02-2017 , 08:35 AM
Pokerstars name: ztarspop

2+2 name: stakebuilder

Real name:Brenda Maribel Rico Santana

Country: Mexico.

Once the stake was ended she refused to send an audit. At first ignored all messaged for weeks, then when she finally made contact she still refused to send a audit.

Beware and do not back!
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12-02-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeBlack1234
Pokerstars name: ztarspop

2+2 name: stakebuilder

Real name:Brenda Maribel Rico Santana

Country: Mexico.

Once the stake was ended she refused to send an audit. At first ignored all messaged for weeks, then when she finally made contact she still refused to send a audit.

Beware and do not back!
I invite the creator of the post to delete it please. ty
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12-03-2017 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by stakebuilder
I invite the creator of the post to delete it please. ty
you should probably say why.. or atleast ask them to provide more details loool. this is pretty funny though
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12-03-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPoo8
you should probably say why.. or atleast ask them to provide more details loool. this is pretty funny though
precisely, that they have the balls to publish it as god mandates
he does not have balls to that boss.
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12-03-2017 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPoo8
you should probably say why.. or atleast ask them to provide more details loool. this is pretty funny though
me or them ?, I have not stolen anything
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12-03-2017 , 03:21 AM
I'm going to prepare a basket of popcorn
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12-03-2017 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by stakebuilder
I'm going to prepare a basket of popcorn
they said you refused an audit when stake ended and didn't respond for weeks... so when you ask them to delete the post you need to give them a reason why.

its that simple
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12-03-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPoo8
you should probably say why.. or atleast ask them to provide more details loool. this is pretty funny though




Do not stake

Do not work with this person.
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12-03-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeBlack1234




Do not stake

Do not work with this person.
wasn't disputing you.. just the stakee who "invited you to remove the post" lol
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12-04-2017 , 06:38 PM
Real name :Gustavo Outeiral Velho
Pokerstars screenname : Oparcero
Address : Rua Astrogildo de azevedo,santa maria,RS 97015290 . Brazil
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/gustavo.outeiral
Email : gustavouteiral@gmail.com
Skype : Gustavo.outeiral.velho
Phone: 047991180737
Photo:
Id :
Stars Cashier :
Stars id closeup:


We started working with Gustavo Outeiral Velho "Oparcero" in September. Gustavo Outeiral Velho kept scheduling individual coaching sessions and skipping them, being generally very unreliable and uncaring.

After several warnings we asked Gustavo Outeiral Velho to send in audits to give him a final warning. Instead Oparcero broke off contact and disappeared without sending back the funds on his account.


Gustavo Outeiral Velho owes us $764 in stolen funds and makeup.
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12-11-2017 , 11:45 AM
Real Name: Matt Rivers
Email: mattr1214@gmail.com
2+2 Username: i<3fishes


Matt was staked by Imawhale for online NLHE cash games. Matt accrued makeup, then left the stake, agreeing to a 50% buyout, because a new backer offered him a better profit split. This anonymous backer changed his mind afterwards on paying for the buyout and Matt was unable to come up with the 50%. We told Matt he would owe the makeup in full, that the 50% buyout clause was not in there for a payment much later. About a month later we had to reach out to Matt again and explained our side. Matt agreed that a full buyout was fair and that he would take care of it the next day. The following day Matt sent the 50% price and said he doesn't owe us any more. While we wouldn't call Matt a scammer per se, we would highly advise other backers to not work with him. He was very immature in our dealings and can not be trusted.

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12-12-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by imawhale26
Real Name: Matt Rivers
Email: mattr1214@gmail.com
2+2 Username: i<3fishes



Matt was staked by Imawhale for online NLHE cash games. Matt accrued makeup, then left the stake, agreeing to a 50% buyout, because a new backer offered him a better profit split. This anonymous backer changed his mind afterwards on paying for the buyout and Matt was unable to come up with the 50%. We told Matt he would owe the makeup in full, that the 50% buyout clause was not in there for a payment much later. About a month later we had to reach out to Matt again and explained our side. Matt agreed that a full buyout was fair and that he would take care of it the next day. The following day Matt sent the 50% price and said he doesn't owe us any more. While we wouldn't call Matt a scammer per se, we would highly advise other backers to not work with him. He was very immature in our dealings and can not be trusted.
Hi 2+2,
I figured I would come and offer my side of this because this story that is painted is misconstrued in some ways. Firstly, I didn't "accrue makeup and leave the stake" as they claim. I had a profitable relationship with Imawhale for almost a year. My old friend and backer offered a better deal, and I had planned to inform Imawhale before the end of my set. Unfortunately, at the end of the month I had one bad day to bring the month from positive to negative a small amount for stakes I was playing (-$1300 or 260bb's). Near the end of the month I was approached by Imawhale for coaching. Instead of accepting and wasting their time, I used the opportunity to inform them of the upcoming deal. Upon hearing this, Imawhale told me the stake would be ending immediately. I told them I would pay them my makeup "soon". A month later I was contacted and had an exchange before this was said.



Without looking at the agreement I simply thought this was the truth and went with it. The next morning I spoke with a few of my poker friends individually, explaining the situation with them and what the following agreement states:



After speaking with my friends I was under the impression they were trying to bully me into sending them more money. They threatened to slander my name on here, and either fabricated or neglected to tell me about the "buyout clause". So I decided to send them this (in their words) "immature" message according to them along with their 50%:



I highly suggest working with a different group if you would like a less dramatic experience.

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12-22-2017 , 07:10 AM
Name: Vanildo Ferreira
Stars: vanildo_ferr

After 15 only days, he turn off skype, we try contact but no reply. He start playing unauthorized games with our money.

He owes us$ 310 usd.
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12-26-2017 , 11:53 AM
Real name : Caio Tadeu Medina
Pokerstars screenname : medinastars
Address : avenida brigadeiro faria lima 929, guarulhos, SP , BR
Facebook :https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009126012809
Email : caiomedinaa25@gmail.com
Skype : caio.medinaa
Phone: 551194730-1585 cell 55112456-2007 home
Photo:

Id:

stars:

Caio Tadeu Medina "medinastars" starting working with us in June 2017.

On December 10th Caio Medina claimed that Pokerstars froze his account and sent us this screenshot:



Along with a standard non-informative response from Pokerstars in response to his query:
Quote:
> Hello
>
> I would like to know what to do to unfreeze my account


Hello,

Thank you for contacting Stars Support.

We have forwarded your email to the team responsible for handling this issue. You will receive a reply as soon as possible.

Your patience is highly appreciated.

Regards,
Stars Support
We asked Caio Medina again if he'd ever played on a different Pokerstars account and this time Medinastars came forward and said:
Quote:

Oi, sim eu joguei na conta caiomedina25 em 2014 recreativamente sem nunca depositar, ganhei bonus e freeroll e parei de jogar nela nao tenho nem mais acesso a ela, quem brincava as vezes nela é meu primo mas acho que sem nunca fazer deposito tambem. Depois que criei a conta MEDINASTARS nunca mais joguei em outra conta, somente nela onde tenho meu cartão de credito cadastrado, mas acho que na conta antiga tem meu CPF cadastrado e o Pokerstars não me deu mais nenhuma resposta.
which translates as
Quote:
Hi, yes I played in the account caiomedina25 in 2014 recreationally without ever depositing, I won a bonus and freeroll and I stopped playing in it I do not have any more access to it, who played sometimes in it is my cousin but I think without ever making deposit too. After I created the MEDINASTARS account, I never played in another account, only where I have my credit card registered, but I think that in the old account my CPF was registered and Pokerstars did not give me any more answers.

We asked Caio Medina to email Pokerstars daily and BCC us on the outgoing emails and forward any responses from their support. It has been over 2 weeks and Medinastars has been unable to forward a single email. PokerStars support is not this slow, and with a similar situation we had recently they were able to provide clear and frequent responses within a couple of days.

With the lack of emails (both outgoing to Pokerstars and responses from them) the only reasonable conclusion we can come to is that MEDINASTARS stole the money and is faking an account closure hoping it is not discovered. We've also discovered that Caio Medina has been applying to other backing groups over the last few weeks, and not informing them of working with us.

To summarize:

Caio Medina admitted to lying to us about having only 1 account on Pokerstars and more than one person playing on one of those accounts. MEDINASTARS claims to have had his account frozen, but has been unable to provide any corroborating evidence. The only alternative is that he simply stole our money.

Caio Tadeu Medina "MEDINASTARS" owes us $4,090.
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12-27-2017 , 07:59 AM
You can test if the account is closed by starting a 1 cent transfer to him and seeing what message pops up when you try to complete it, if it is closed it will say the account cannot receive transfers (given he is in a country that does receive transfers). I would expect the account is indeed closed.

Not saying that will help in getting funds back, but if the account is closed you may want to try to explore it further with Stars, although we also had something similar happen with a player a while ago (and indeed the account was closed), and usually the humans behind these type of getting an account closed activities are incapable of helping themselves in any useful manner after the fact.

The two accounts mentioned have some games together including a couple heads up (about a year ago), although the play in that regard does not look particularly bad as the rest of games were larger and cheaper MTTs or buck 90 man SnGs, which are not really the ideal for collusion. I would be surprised if this connection was the only reason for the account closure, and obviously the email the player sent initially is LOLuseless, so if you are still in contact with him the best thing you can do is essentially ghostwrite all of his future correspondence if learning the real source of his closure is the goal, although odds are whatever the real reason is once discovered will not be particularly useful in getting funds back. He likely did something that deserved the account closure, and he probably has a good idea what that was.

Still, good luck
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12-29-2017 , 12:46 AM
Tikanoabs (Pokerstars)
He played cash game for 5 months and did not reply to any message for more than 15 days.
He owes us 1,580
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12-29-2017 , 12:51 AM
Sem Sorte013 ( Pokerstars )


He started to play cash game and totally blocked the communication with our support

He owes us 130 usd
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12-30-2017 , 11:21 AM
Real name :Giovani Dilser Ferreira
Pokerstars screenname :giihdilser
Address : Brazil
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/giovani.dilser
Email : giovani.dp@outlook.com
Skype : giihdilser
Phone: 19 9 8931-1645
He went missing with the SPR with two team days. It does not respond to messages.
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01-06-2018 , 11:29 AM
1) Franco2992

2) PS:franco2992

3) General Roca - Rio Negro - Argentina
francolautarovizzotto@gmail.com

4)Player played off the line and did not fulfill the contract, has pending with the Starsteam
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01-10-2018 , 03:21 PM
Real Name: Josh Seeley (aka Brady Joshua Seeley)
WSOP.com SN: DontBl1nk
Twitter: https://twitter.com/joshseeley7
Skype: ctrlaltdel702


Josh was staked by Imawhale for online cash games starting in June 2017. Josh had an impressive history of playing so he was started at mid-high stakes. His first month with Imawhale he won approximately $26,000 in which was profit split 50/50.

The site we were backing Josh on was an Asian based credit/agent site. As such, players were responsible for keeping track of their own results and at month’s end we would match up player’s results vs what the site reported. Every month we would have guys that would be off here and there, generally by $100 or less. It’s a fairly tedious process to keep track of the results so these small mistakes were bound to happen. With Josh though, we get to his 2nd month of playing for us and his spreadsheet at month’s end shows he is down approximately $2,000, but the site is saying he’s down over $19,000. We immediately went to Josh about this and researched the issue. He had just lazily not input a bunch of losing sessions in his results. We verified the results by logging into the apps. Again, most player’s discrepancies are off by $100 here and there, and Josh was off by $17,000. This was a major issue and a huge red flag to us.

In the 2nd month (July), Josh went into makeup and severely under reported his losses. He played sparingly over the next couple months. In early October, Josh lost in excess of $50,000 and again significantly under reported his losses, giving Imawhale no notice of the situation. Josh would have been moved down in stakes as per Imawhale's normal policies to avoid such a large catastrophic loss. After some difficulty, Imawhale was able to get in touch with Josh and set up a group conversation to make a game plan to attack this makeup total moving forward. Imawhale offered Josh the chance to buyout of his makeup at a small fraction of the makeup total, which Josh declined, assuring that he would try to grind out of the makeup. In the rest of October and November Josh played extremely low volume.

In Josh’s 3rd month (August), again Josh’s results vs what he reported were way off. This month he tells us immediately that he just stopped reporting his results completely mid month. We eventually have to manually adjust his results by $6,000 which were losses he just failed to report. He finishes August down $2,100.

In September, Josh won $15,200 back, reducing his makeup with us to $6,300. Unfortunately from here it goes downhill quickly. In October Josh loses $50,000 playing the first 7 days of the month as well as the 10th day and then quitting the rest of the month. At this point Josh is in $56,000 of makeup and the makeup with his backer becomes the least of his worries and he effectively quits playing. Between October 11th and November 26th Josh manages to play 1 day of poker. As a horse playing for a backer, building up a large amount of makeup and then quitting on it is the biggest scum move someone can make. Taking a 50/50 deal w/ a backer only in an effort to freeroll him (collect and play if it goes well, and quit if it goes bad) is the lowest of all things a player can do when taking a stake. We do have a requirement in our staking agreements that states:

“Imawhale has the right to opt out of the stake at any time. Reasons for opting out of a stake in the past have included: lack of updates, poor results, missing volume requirements, or violating other terms of this agreement and/or the poker network. It's very unlikely Imawhale will opt out of the stake, but we reserve the right to do so if needed. If you choose to opt out of the stake while in makeup, you will owe 100% of your makeup back to Imawhale. Players are required to play a minimum of 10 hours per week.”

Josh was not keeping up with his 10 hours/week of play, was not updating his results correctly and just in general had a flippant attitude towards our stake.

In December, Josh ceased play entirely and went completely MIA, stopping responding to Imawhale's Skype messages, emails, text messages, and phone calls. After over a month, Imawhale finally heard back from Josh. Josh explained he was very busy with the WPT 5 Diamond classic, and that he then went abroad and was not checking emails, text messages or skype messages while over there.

Imawhale ultimately decided this person was not to be trusted and had such a low level of professionalism that the best route was to simply swallow the entirety of the makeup total and part ways. In hindsight, it seems that Josh's plan all along was to treat the stake as a freeroll, planning on collecting if he won and abandoning all responsibility if he lost. The entire situation is one of the worst staking experiences in the history of Imawhale. We would highly recommend avoiding any and all financial transactions with Josh Seeley.

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01-10-2018 , 04:10 PM
Real name : Thiago Jose Tome Do Prado
Pokerstars screenname : TP1FliP
Email : tp1flip@gmail.com
Skype : thiagopradopg
Stars :

We started working with TP1FliP in September 2017.

TP1FliP could not follow his set buyin limits.

We offered TP1FliP to buy out and repay us for the misused funds. Thiago Prado asked us to wait 2 weeks until he could repay us.

Thiago Prado has not repaid us after a month.

Thiago Prado "TP1FliP" owes us $1,075.

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01-14-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by msusyr24-new
Name: Marco Antonio López
PokerStars: Uteped
888: Mr_monkey
Party: Mr_monkey99

We asked Marco for an audit which he sent. We found he was taking top-ups and withdrawing those. When we asked about this he admitted he has withdrawn several thousand ($3k minimum) for school. Given he sent the audit and did not admit anything suggests he was hoping we would not find this. We told Marco we cannot continue backing him and need a repayment plan for the $13,697.92 in makeup+SBR.

Should Marco repay half of this amount, we are open to backing him again as that would show us a lot in terms of his character. But as of right now we cannot stake him and must post here.

We will update should we come to an agreement on a repayment plan and Marco successfully follows through on that for a few payments.

Marco currently owes us $13,697.92
We tried staking Marco again and unfortunately these situations rarely work out. Seeing discrepancies with Sharkscope and his reportings to us this second time we decided to part ways with Marco. We only asked that he send us the cash on hand he held ($973.18). It has been 8 days since we chose to part ways. We sent messages on Skype and via Email. We have received no response and no money.

We do not advise working with Marco.
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01-14-2018 , 02:52 PM
Name: Yuri Benicio Dos Santos Mangueira Diniz
Pokerstars: beninutss
888poker: Beninutss
Partypoker: Beninutss

After backing Yuri for 10 months we received a message from another backer that he had stolen money from them. We had recently audited Yuri and found discrepancies. The combination of these two factors led to us parting ways with Yuri. We agreed on a $167/mo repayment plan which he followed for 3 months.

He has missed the last 3 payments and still owes us $503.94
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01-15-2018 , 07:11 AM
Name: Jareth East
Pokerstars/PartyPoker: Jareth3542
Email: jaretheast@hotmail.com
Hendon Mob




Hate to be doing this to a well known member of the community... We started staking Jareth in June of 2017. He started out as a great horse, getting in solid volume and regularly contributing to strategy chats and review sessions - playing well throughout. Around WCOOP time he started taking an absurd amount of shots in higher events, as his friend wanted to take action of him in a bunch of $300 -1k events. We started to get a bit worried when MU kept growing but he assured us he has been in this spot several times and would grind it out.

He had accumulated $26,300 worth of MU, which he still owes us.

Around September Jareth stopped communicating with us, popping online every other month to apologize and promise to work out a deal. He said he has 500k+ in bitcoins and he would send us a bit of that to pay us off and then play on his own. We've given him plenty of deadlines to reach out to us and make a deal, but we get constant avoidance. We are aware that he owes multiple backers money as well.

If Jareth or any of his many contact in the poker world see this - please reach out to us to make things right so we can take this post down. Will be putting up a website in your name in one week.

Owes us: $26,300


MOD EDIT: An agreement has been reached, and the poster considers this resolved now.

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