What if he would ask me to pay back 10k, should I send him 10k before I can find out how much I actually owe?

Now you are being absolutely ridiculous.

In fact, as you know, even after your 7 years of silence, he has agreed to clear your slate for only $100. That seems more than reasonable to me in the circumstances.

I have seen zero reason to trust you so far, and, accordingly, I will not be giving you access to your old account as I have strong suspicions that that is the main reason you are procrastinating, with little to no intention of actually repaying him any of his money in any case.

If my main reason is to find potential marks as you said it, then why did I ask you to at least resend/screenshot my last sent/received pm's that would provide any clues? You can delete every pm that is not from mods and Invertible, I don't care.

You don't know what's fair until you know all the facts. What if the stake was only $25 and I already paid something?

Until I get proof I'm not sending anything. I know I tried to pay back soon after I lost the stake. I need to see that discussion.

If I had owed someone money for 7 years I would have thought about it so often that I would definitely remember the amount and all the conversations about my debt.

How much do you think you owe him? Or haven't you thought about it for 7 years, until I found out about one of your other accounts here, "1 time", and asked you about it?

I sent messages to Invertible on Skype and 2+2 before you found out about 1 time account.

I'm done talking to you because you can't/refuse to provide information about the said conversation.


I'm willing to send $25(the most likely minimum stake) at the moment to get all pm's from Invertible and mods.

That's actually not what his undertitle says; the undertitle is a joke based on what someone else had posted about him. And no, he doesn't have access to PMs of any of your accounts. Neither do admins, although it is possible in exceptional circumstances for an admin to change the password of an account and log in with it to view PMs.

Given that he has no access to your PMs, he couldn't tell you that.

How does this make sense to you, and what made you think it was a good idea to accuse a moderator who volunteers a lot of his time trying to prevent people from getting scammed, of lying and being unfair for...I'm not sure what reason?

Wait, what?? Whether you made him money or not has absolutely no bearing on whether or not you ripped him off, and suggesting such a thing definitely doesn't reflect well on you.

I think I remember now what happened. I was staked for about $15-$30, grinded the micros and built the bankroll to play at nl10 then hit a downswing and tilted the money away.

I contacted him to pay off the original stake, but he wanted much larger amount. Since I didn't think it was fair and I still don't then I just left and ignored the situation till I forgot all the facts.


If that's ripping off then you have a different meaning of the word than me. I thought I had to profit in some way and the "mark" had to lose money in order to rip-off.

How does it not make sense to you? I thought he had access to pms and he would see that I'm not lying. So the constant pressuring of me making the payment without any proof did make me suspicious.

Pokerstars screenname: Flopdead21
PKR Screenname: overstacker
Country : England


We started working with Flopdead21 in September.

Flopdead21 told us he was quitting because he got a job. When we asked him to send back funds he didn't and we found out he had withdrawn them and used for unapproved unrelated expenses.

A third party repaid the funds. We strongly discourage anyone from working with Flopdead21.

Unlike Mike Haven, Invertible has been a gentleman to me in the whole process. I remember him being a good guy and that's why I wanted to fix this situation, but I'm not sending more than my original stake. My offer that I gave back in 2010 still stands. When you're ready to accept it and someone is able to access the conversations then pm/email me.

****DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DEAL WITH "Olempia" ON POKERSTARS****

Stars name: Olempia
2p2 name: Pentagon
Skype ID he used while scamming me: rambo.specs

More or less blatantly stole $428 of stake money.

Cliffs: His sharkscope shows he was up $2.58 during short deal. He says he's down $200ish. Won't send audit and his reason is because he "is under no obligation to". Told me he can't send Stars xfers, I caught him in a lie there. Stars basically told me he's done something else with the funds. Posted pics of e-mails and skype convo in a thread that he actually started. Still dunno what his angle is there, when he basically just blatantly stole from me. Nothing he's posted in that thread makes much sense at all in regards to him being any kind of victim. He won't even straight up deny what I'm accusing him of. Just says he doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to lol.

Here's some more detail of the whole situation and this links to pictures:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...81&postcount=4

I didn't know how to post pics in thread so I reposted all pics from above post in the thread in this post:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=13

and this post:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...9&postcount=14

IMO he should be banned from sending PMs if it's possible because he's clearly not looking to play seriously for anyone. He literally stole this money in under 2 days from the start and the first lie I can prove was during his first session.

Will be making a domain name/website when I get home next week and will post it here also.

Please read everything with a grain of salt and before judging me take a look at the whole story of our thread that I posted because he was too lazy to even do that. This guy approached me. He wanted to stake me. When he SAW no results after two days he wanted to end the deal. He is a racist vulgar person with no sense or professionality. I have over now and counting 11 times offered him his money back through neteller, skrill or WU and he still refuses to Accept it. His interest is not resolving this case, for some weird reason he wants to assert his dominance and power over a forum lmao.

My offer still stands, i played the agreed games and the bankroll is @$220 . I can send you that balance which yourself agreed upon. Until you decide you want to Accept or come to a solution with me, doing all the things in the world wont change a thing other then waste your energy and time.

Will you send him the audit? Should clear up any disagreement on what was played and the result and then you can send the money and end the stake.

I wasn't making a judgement on whether you did or did not rip anyone off, as I don't know the whole story. My point was that whether you made him money or not doesn't change whether you are ripping him off.

No, of course not, and you acknowledge it yourself when you offer to pay the original stake back.

Well, there were a couple of possibilities here:

1) Mike Haven was trying, with the limited information he had available to him, to bring about a resolution.
2) Mike Haven had read your PMs, and wants you to pay back an unfair amount to Invertible for some unknown reason.

It didn't make sense to me that you would immediately jump to the second possibility. And it still doesn't. But now that you know he doesn't have access to your PMs, hopefully we can move on.

saying he owes 26k is just very very stupid. We need serius people in this thread not clowns.

For the record, I have zero realtionship with Thonapalm, and i dont think he acted correctly but Standard Backing guy is way out of line.

+1 to every word

Name: Vitor de Souza Martins Silva
Stars: vitormart876

We had previously chosen to part ways with Vitor. He asked us to reconsider and said he would fulfill the requirements we have for volume and study.

In October, Vitor played 36 normal speed MTTs (agreed to 300/mo) and had 0 study items (agreed to 10/mo).

We informed Vitor we would be parting ways and asked him to send the Pocarr cash he holds and create a repayment plan for the makeup. He has not responded nor sent any funds.

Vitor owes us $1050.03

Have confirmed with former partners this has been paid off

Pokerstars screenname: Sick Outrun

We had an issue with Sick Outrun where he didn't send us our portion of profit. He returned all the funds a few months later.

Real name : Joerlan Chaves Lopes
Pokerstars screenname: Made in Ce
Address: Rua Raimundo José, Numero da Casa 00832, Morada Nova, Ceará, Aruaru, Brasil 62940000
facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100018853783535
email : Joerlanlopes3@gmail.com
Skype : Vanvanda12345@gmail.com
Phone : 05585991996697
id :

Photo:

We asked Joerlan Chaves Lopes to send us reports and funds, prior to discussing Joerlan Chaves Lopes issue with scheduling and then skipping sessions with his coach.

Instead Joerlan Chaves Lopes disappeared and didn't return our money.

Joerlan Chaves Lopes "made in ce" owes us $320.

Real name : Mario Alonso Higueras Zuñiga
Pokerstars screenname : mejo67
address : House number 61-89-49 ,urb. Miraflores 2 stage and -15 Piura, Peru 442
facebook : https://www.facebook.com/mario.higueras.1
: email: higueras_mario@hotmail.com
skype: mejo67

photo :

id card (front) :

(back) :

stars id :

stars cashier :

Mario Alonso Higueras Zuñiga never submitted audits as requested. Mario Higueras didn't play any games as far as we could tell, and stole the initial transfer we sent.

Mario Higueras owes us $300.

Real name :Viktor Karl Hinders
Pokerstars screenname : Ollatunturi
Address : Kyrkoesplanaden 31 A2, Vasa, Fl
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/viktor.hinders
Email : f_jomp@hotmail.com
Skype : Hej he viktor
Phone: 0400279092
Drivers licence (front):


(back):


Photo:


stars :



We worked with Viktor Karl Hinders for a few months. Viktor Hinders then broke off all contact and did not return communications.

Viktor Hinders outright stole the funds that he had in his account and had significant amounts of makeup.

Ollatunturi owes us $4.7k

Update on Fabio Damaso (Stars and BCP wannab333) from

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4087


Fabio paid back half of the agreement, and setup a schedule for the other half which we are confident he will follow through on. He has finally made a lot of needed changes to his life and his approach, and that can be seen in how well he is doing as a player.

Congratulations to him for turning it around, which as this thread shows, is rare these days, but Fabio did, and we respect the changes he has made and wish Fabio the best of luck and success in the future.

Real Name: Randal Taylor
Email: Randaltaylor4813@gmail.com

Randal was staked by Imawhale for online cash games. Randal had substantial unreported losses on his accounts, and then went MIA and ignored all of our communication for several weeks. Eventually we cut him and swallowed the makeup.

Sean reached out to me, we've started a payment plan to clear his debt. First payment has been made.