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10-17-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by daviid
how do you make that post as well as a site with all of the guys personal info (including pictures of his passport) without giving any sort of background info?
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. JoeBlack, feel free to repost with an explanation, and without the home address.
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10-20-2017 , 05:37 PM
Real name : Arseny Porter
Pokerstars screenname: theenutsman
WPN screenname : Iamgoot
888 screenname : kushorhaze
Party screenname : notagainsour
Email : arseny.porter@hotmail.com
Skype : arseny19891
Phone number :cell-4168544433 home 9057602347
Address : 269 Charlton Avenue, Thornhill , Ontario , L4J 6H3
Country : Canada.
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/arseny.porter
Photo : https://i.imgur.com/DIRKTo9.jpg
Drivers licence : https://i.imgur.com/Uty9a0m.png
Pokerstars cashier : https://i.imgur.com/mTJRsEz.png


We started working with Arseny Porter in December 2016.

Throughout our relationship Arseny Porter had a problem following buyin limits. It escalated in the last few weeks with Arseny Porter doing $495 in buyins he wasn't allowed.

Theenutsman then disappeared for a couple of weeks and finally answered our requests for audits on October 10th with:
There is 642 missing from the account that I will cash in asap. My buddy maxed out his cc and he needed some money online so he asked me if I can send him some and he would cash in when as soon as as his direct deposit came in from his work..so I didn't want to send the audit before he sent it back and it should be coming in any day. I know I definitely shouldn't have done but he promised me he'd send it back a little sooner than it's been but stupid of me. Definitely very sorry for that wasn't my brightest moment definitely won't happen again...As for the WPN spew. It's just so depressing playing high variance tournies for months running deep and not making a profit just like breaking even. And the WPN tournies had such good value and overlays and I also had a really bad beat my first go at the 88 so was really tilted and just the combination of that defnitley didn't result in the smartest decisions. Again really sorry for that I'd rather not play on that site I really don't like the re entries.

Arseny Porter has not deposited the stolen funds since that message. Multiple times asking us to extend the deadlines.

Arseny Porter owes us $8,300
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10-22-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HU Staking Program
Pokerstars Screenname: Thalampro
Real Name: Thanos Lampropoulos
Skype: live:thalampro

Throughout his time with us, he played games he was not allowed to on several occasions. Also, on many occasions he was playing on a side account of a friends (GreekMenace7), rather than playing games under his stake that he was in makeup in.

After approximately 2 months with us, we found that he had been cashing out/stealing staking funds, ($3,300~). He had done this over a few week period. He only told us when he needed a reload at a time when his account very obviously shouldn't have been out of funds. During the time he was cashing out our funds, "Because he needed money for bills", he was playing on a friends account and playing both MTTs and casino games.

At that point, we told him that we had to check in with him daily to keep an eye on his accounts, and to make sure nothing else shady was happening. He asked if he would be able to still do small cashouts as he would need money for bills. We have an EV cashout program where if players produce EV, even if they don't have profit, we let them cash out some funds. We told him that if he put in a certain amount of hours, we'd allow him to still do so. After the first week, his hours were short of the agreed upon number, and more importantly, he was quite a ways off from the minimum EV requirement. We told him that based on those two numbers, we wouldn't allow him to do a profit split at that time (He was still almost $10,000 in makeup).

He became very upset and said he needed "a day to think about it." The next day, he emailed us a list of demands "for him to proceed". They were "non negotiable, take it or leave it". Also, if we declined, he'd pay us back the $11,000+ he now owed us, "probably with some monthly payments". He told us that he didn't have a choice to steal our money, "he didn't have money for bills." We pointed out that while he was stealing our money at this time due to bill money, it was only a couple of weeks ago he had done the same thing *and* had been playing Casino games at the same time.

He also had an issue with a previous backer where he owed them money for playing games he wasn't supposed to with staking money. He didn't tell us about this until after he had started with us.

It's very obvious that he can't be trusted and should be avoided.

I should have never cashed out money that weren't mine, I take the full responsibility for that. When I took this money most of them were used to play Mtts and some casino games. I didn't need to pay bills at that time everything was paid from some money I had from previous splits and from some live poker I played and earned there. After I told them what happened we agreed to proceed with daily checks and if I want to cash out any money for bills I must have certain hours and ev. After one week I had ev a little below from what I should and missing 2 or 3 hours. I asked them only 100$ to pay the internet or they would disconnect it and I wouldnt be able to play and 50$ for a supermarket so that I have food for my family. And that I would continue to play as much as I can (I had played 42h in that week plus attending university plus wife and kids) and I would try more. They didn't give it to me so I took a day to think it over. Next day I send them that I'm not continuing unless I have this money (150$) to pay what I mentioned (from day to day I was waiting the internet service to stop cause it was unpaid so naturally I wouldn't be able to play) . They declined and I kept the money that was in my account and I told them I'm gonna repay with monthly payments. I'm currently unemployed (we barely have food and rent provided by our families) and I can't give them money yet even though I would like because I'm no thief. Their reaction was to create this http://www.thanoslampropoulosisathief.com
While I understand and i can't blame them of course, I find it terrible that they have posted inside the site photos of my wife and some guys that I don't even hang out and they refuse to take them down unless I give money. What does my "wife"( we are not married) and these guys have to do with my affairs and with what I did? To have my pics posted I have no problem but another people's photos?
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10-23-2017 , 09:36 AM
Name: Oleg Crulicovschi
Stars: Hentasy
Stars (possibly): Ivashenkoukr

Shortly after joining, Oleg asked one of our players to send him a reload (which we allow). However he asked that it be sent to this Ivash name above that we've never heard of. He requested an amount 3x larger than his starting bankroll is. He's not responding to communication attempts, not once updated his financials with us.

He has 100% stolen funds.

Oleg owes us $700.
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10-25-2017 , 08:19 AM
Name: Cornel Popa (aka Bbebe)
Pokerstars.eu ID bbebe02
888 ID bbebe01
ACR ID 4betovic
Skype ID arborigen1
E-mail address: wee_b92@yahoo.com
Date of Birth: October 2, 1992 (age 25)
Address: Simion Barnutiu nr.54 sc.A ap.13 et.5, Romania
Mobile Phone: (+40) 730886977

Website we created for him: http://bbebecornelpopa.com

We started staking Cornel Popa aka bbebe02 on June 25 2016. He was profitable for the first few months, but wasn’t respectful of bankroll management rules and went on a 15k downswing starting in January 2017. In March 2017, after recovering about 8k of the losses, he was still asking for reloads which prompted us to request an audit. He delayed and gave excuses and then went missing with the remaining bankroll at the time which we estimate to be around 10k. He had many friends within our group and essentially disgraced himself in front of all, one of whom had vouched for him. We were told by his Romanian friends that he has gotten into drugs but is still continuing to play on Pokerstars with our money. We will remove the website if the money is repaid and will give 20% of whatever is recovered to anyone who assists.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 02-01-2023 at 10:02 AM.
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10-25-2017 , 08:44 AM
Name: Paunescu George Cristian (aka Pino)
Pokerstars: platin32
888 Poker: bucsi32
WPN: platin32
Winamax.fr ID platin32
Pokerstars.fr ID platin33
iPoker: platin55
Address: Ploiești, Județul Prahova republicii numar187 scara A BLOC 4D1 AP17, Romania
Date of Birth: June 2, 1982 (35)
Phone: (+40) 732616592
E-mail: pinochio_pl@yahoo.com
Pocketfives.com ID: muppets
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pinopinocheto
Website we created for him: http://paunescugeorge.com

Pino stole about 27,000USD from us.

We began staking Pino also known as Paunescu George Cristian (age 35) on June 24, 2015. He started out with almost $9,000USD profit over the first year but then lost over the next 5 months, going into exactly 8,748.09USD makeup with an additional 5,963USD of loans. He finally had three big scores in December 2016 totalling 32k and instead of paying back his debts which totalled 20,674.09USD (makeup + [loans*2]) and splitting the profits, he ran off with all the money for himself which totalled approximately 27,000USD. He is still playing on Pokerstars with our money.

Anyone who assists in recovering the stolen money will receive 20% of the amount recovered.
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10-25-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NLStaking
Name: Cornel Popa (aka Bbebe)
Pokerstars.eu ID bbebe02
888 ID bbebe01
ACR ID 4betovic
Skype ID arborigen1
E-mail address: wee_b92@yahoo.com
Date of Birth: October 2, 1992 (age 25)
Address: Simion Barnutiu nr.54 sc.A ap.13 et.5, Romania
Mobile Phone: (+40) 730886977

Website we created for him: http://bbebecornelpopa.com

We started staking Cornel Popa aka bbebe02 on June 25 2016. He was profitable for the first few months, but wasn’t respectful of bankroll management rules and went on a 15k downswing starting in January 2017. In March 2017, after recovering about 8k of the losses, he was still asking for reloads which prompted us to request an audit. He delayed and gave excuses and then went missing with the remaining bankroll at the time which we estimate to be around 10k. He had many friends within our group and essentially disgraced himself in front of all, one of whom had vouched for him. We were told by his Romanian friends that he has gotten into drugs but is still continuing to play on Pokerstars with our money. We will remove the website if the money is repaid and will give 20% of whatever is recovered to anyone who assists.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3224

Staking this guy could have very easily been avoided, always search the name of a potential horse ITT before giving them a cent. Afaik bbebe02 stole/scammed Pocarr, was given a second chance, and then stole again for a 5 figure amount...

Last edited by Mike Haven; 02-01-2023 at 10:03 AM.
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10-25-2017 , 05:05 PM
Name: Muntean Claudiu
PokerStars: Stela_Poker
Winamax: El Amante

Had Stela as a horse since Jan 2015, in fact he was one of the first horses I had in my stable. Throughout the course of the deal, he appeared very eager to learn/improve, stayed within his contractually obligated limits, and I found him to be very trustworthy. Even would consider him a friend, as I'd met him in Bucharest when I visited and we got along great.

Two months ago, he was MIA for a week and once I finally got a hold of him, he told me he had some personal problems to deal with. After another week of not playing, I messaged him again and he admitted that he had a family emergency and cashed out the bankroll funds. While it's his first mistake and I do believe he's worthy of a second opportunity, I currently cannot trust him enough to be the one to give it. He's promised to pay back the money he cashed out + the loans accumulated during the course of the deal, and as he pays that back, the trust will be rebuilt. There's also the issue of $35,000 of outstanding MU, which we've agreed to table for now/address once he pays back the loans.
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10-25-2017 , 05:31 PM
Pokerstars Screenname: vofanculo
Real name: Petr Zakouril
Email: benyps@seznam.cz
Skype: live:57921f0043e48d2f (jungmann23)
Country: Czech
Owing : $200

Joined us then went to Rozvadov to play live. Put in zero volume and never returned. Hasn't replied on skype for 11 days.
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10-27-2017 , 05:43 PM
Real name : Branimir Barac
Pokerstars screenname: ThoNapalm
WPN screenname : ThoNapalm
888 screenname : MeduzaMeduza
Party screenname : Greedinho
Email : bbarac777@gmail.com
Skype : thonapalm
Address : Slavonska 103, Slavonski Brod,35000, Croatia
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/branimir.barac
Photo :
ID card :
back
Pokerstars cashier :

We started working with Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) in May 2017.

Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) consistently didn't meet his volume target of 300 games per month, as a result we lowered Branimir Barac's limits by removing the highest buyin games from his schedule in early October.

After some discussion, we agreed that we'd allow Branimir Barac to start playing those games again, once he started meeting his target and attending coaching sessions / working on his game. During this discussion Branimir Barac asked what would happen if he played the games we had removed without our permission, and we explained that it'd be considered as stealing. We offered to reconsider increasing his limits back to what they were before, once he had shown that he was on track with our expectations.

Within 2 hours of the call Branimir Barac messaged us:

Quote:
why dont u just drop me?
also i missclick regged BR 215, my first missclick since i play for u.. i hope u will find some understanding for that in ur big heart
Following this, we had a further discussion with him and he agreed to try to meet our expectations for volume and effort.

Over the previous month Branimir Barac started to get on track with volume and coaching. During a routine audit we discovered that Branimir Barac had continued playing games he wasn't allowed to, including:

$215 warm up
$215 Battle Royale (game mentioned in previous quote)
$109 Sunday kick off
$33 Bubble rush (10 times)
$22 6 max turbo PKO (5 times)

When questioned about it, his response was:

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[10/25/2017 4:40:23 PM] Branimir Barac - ThoNapalm: language and words are very relative, for me my limits are the limits im beating, for u my limits are low limits which i should play cuz u think so.
Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) broke the terms of our agreement and then said that he would continue to do as he determined was best. As a result, we can no longer work with him.

He owes us $26.6k
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10-28-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by StandardBacking
Real name : Branimir Barac
Pokerstars screenname: ThoNapalm
WPN screenname : ThoNapalm
888 screenname : MeduzaMeduza
Party screenname : Greedinho
Email : bbarac777@gmail.com
Skype : thonapalm
Address : Slavonska 103, Slavonski Brod,35000, Croatia
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/branimir.barac
Photo :
ID card :
back
Pokerstars cashier :

We started working with Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) in May 2017.

Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) consistently didn't meet his volume target of 300 games per month, as a result we lowered Branimir Barac's limits by removing the highest buyin games from his schedule in early October.

After some discussion, we agreed that we'd allow Branimir Barac to start playing those games again, once he started meeting his target and attending coaching sessions / working on his game. During this discussion Branimir Barac asked what would happen if he played the games we had removed without our permission, and we explained that it'd be considered as stealing. We offered to reconsider increasing his limits back to what they were before, once he had shown that he was on track with our expectations.

Within 2 hours of the call Branimir Barac messaged us:


Following this, we had a further discussion with him and he agreed to try to meet our expectations for volume and effort.

Over the previous month Branimir Barac started to get on track with volume and coaching. During a routine audit we discovered that Branimir Barac had continued playing games he wasn't allowed to, including:

$215 warm up
$215 Battle Royale (game mentioned in previous quote)
$109 Sunday kick off
$33 Bubble rush (10 times)
$22 6 max turbo PKO (5 times)

When questioned about it, his response was:


Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) broke the terms of our agreement and then said that he would continue to do as he determined was best. As a result, we can no longer work with him.

He owes us $26.6k
so he played 20 tournaments without permission and you decided that he owes you his makeup and that u cant no longer stake him ?
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10-28-2017 , 06:05 PM
Pokerstars Screenname: mwallington
Real name: Mattias Wallington
Email: mattiaswallington@gmail.com
Skype: mattiaswallington_1
Country: Canada
Owing : $400

Mattias played off stake MTTs and off stake SNGs including $100 and $30 spins. Hasn't replied on Skype since we've asked for an explanation.
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10-29-2017 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
so he played 20 tournaments without permission and you decided that he owes you his makeup and that u cant no longer stake him ?


Seems like warnings were given.. talks happened.
I will likely assume its in the contract *if this happens you owe makeup
or blah blah.
ill give them the benefit of the doubt.
Even though I disagree with this strongly.
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10-29-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by StandardBacking
We started working with Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) in May 2017.

Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) consistently didn't meet his volume target of 300 games per month, as a result we lowered Branimir Barac's limits by removing the highest buyin games from his schedule in early October.
thats correct, but there is also an experience besides being a poker grinder and its called life, people have lot of ups and downs, and i was in pretty ****ty life phase, my focus was off poker and i didnt meet this requirement, not to mention at late june/beggining of july i asked for party poker schedule which he said he gonna give me in 10 days cca, which i got finally at beggining of september and party poker series, where i said if i dont get it i wont do my 300 games requirement, why would i do my duties if he doesnt do his, but nevertheless 300 games/month is doable simply by playing stars, and main reason for not accomplishing that is bunch of private life dramas which distanced me from poker, not to mention if i was actually lieing down in hospital for 2 months this guy wouldnt give a ****!


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Originally Posted by StandardBacking
After some discussion, we agreed that we'd allow Branimir Barac to start playing those games again, once he started meeting his target and attending coaching sessions / working on his game. During this discussion Branimir Barac asked what would happen if he played the games we had removed without our permission, and we explained that it'd be considered as stealing. We offered to reconsider increasing his limits back to what they were before, once he had shown that he was on track with our expectations.
background of the story, after wcoop in september which ended pretty bad for me, went to my hometown for a week to chill and reflect on my life and poker career in general, some new **** in my life emerged, but some things that were bothering me i finally resolved and was very optimistic about poker and determined to work harder and do some good results again. only problem was i was basically broke, so i asked this guy Pavel Feldman for loan, where he asked for interest, which i would accept since i had no choice, but conversation ends in a manner that he doesnt allow me loan and cuts my limits, so obviously i was pissed off

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Originally Posted by StandardBacking
Within 2 hours of the call Branimir Barac messaged us:


Following this, we had a further discussion with him and he agreed to try to meet our expectations for volume and effort.
obviously skype call was with Pavel Feldman, where we went 40 minutes back and forth, without this guy letting anything go my way for an inch, and i rage regged 215 battle royal

after that i talked with Robert ''Playaplz'' Lipkin, head coach in Standard Backing, who was much more reasonable and said ill be slowly getting my limits back as i fulfill my duties (attending 1 on 1 coaching once a week and group session once a week and grinding more) which i all fulfilled in course of next 3 weeks


Quote:
Originally Posted by StandardBacking
Over the previous month Branimir Barac started to get on track with volume and coaching. During a routine audit we discovered that Branimir Barac had continued playing games he wasn't allowed to, including:

$215 warm up
$215 Battle Royale (game mentioned in previous quote)
$109 Sunday kick off
$33 Bubble rush (10 times)
$22 6 max turbo PKO (5 times)
so basically, as u can see i loaded WU and BR once in last week of this 3 week span, after i got allowed to play 109s(mini thrill, mini super tues) so i figured i can play WU and BR too, 22pko and 33 bubble rush i honestly didnt even know i cant play, and probably wouldnt even play them since i dont think they are that good mtts, but since i needed to reach goal of 300 games a month i was loading everything that makes sense, not to mention that among these 18 mtts i won bubble rush 33 for like 2,2k and robert lipkin congratulated me on that while i supposedly cant play it???? so basically out of this cca 1k$ of unallowed buyins i won minimum 2,5k$ which they took for themselves, which Pavel Feldman cleverly omits in his negative feedback

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Originally Posted by StandardBacking
When questioned about it, his response was:


Thonapalm (Branimir Barac) broke the terms of our agreement and then said that he would continue to do as he determined was best. As a result, we can no longer work with him.


He owes us $26.6k
another quote out of context, since i wrote many other things after that sentence.
so basically, i got into a makeup of 26k$, when i finally started working more, grinding more guy cuts my limits, and after loading few mtts which i supposedly shouldnt( where from buyins of not even 1000$, i made minimum 2500$ which they took) he decides to cut my limits drastically( first he cut them to up to 55$ reg speed+SM, so probably now he would want me to grind up to 33$ or whatever) and all that while his head coach says i have 'pretty good' winrates in pt4 database at my current limits(which should be most important thing while determining players limits?) even tho my results dont say so, so theoretically i should play 2,5$ sngs and 5$ mtts with 26k MU if this guy says so? where do we draw the line? how is this fair or moral? maybe i should do begging sessions on streets of zagreb after i finish grinding microlimits for this guy in attempt to clear 26k MU?

all in all, i never had any problems with anyone in 8 years cca of my poker career, i was in various staking deals, staked ppl, bought/sold action.. i never saw a guy like Pavel Feldman who has more of ''my way or highway'' attitude, and still im not sure he is real person and not some sort of money bot
im not perfect either, i can be stubborn and childish and impulsive at times(like regging that 215 b royal after that skype call just to annoy him)
i hope some ppl will realize that this problem transcends me playing 1k above my limits, and its just his try to show me who is the boss
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10-29-2017 , 04:35 PM
Name: Alexander Scherdin
Stars: dyng247
888: dyng888
Party: dyng247

In Alex’s first month he missed the volume we agreed upon, the study we agreed upon, did not update his financial rail, and was terrible communicating with us. He was not on Skype a single time for a month and would only respond via Email days after we would Email him.

Alex has forced us to part ways as we cannot back someone like this. After explaining everything to Alex via Email he agreed to repay us within days. After a week went by with no money received, we posted on 2p2. Shortly thereafter, Alex said he would send to us within 48 hours if we took down the post. We took it down.

Now here we are 25 days later with no money received--only excuse after excuse.

Alex owes us $1,867.57. This is money he has stolen from us.
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10-30-2017 , 12:15 PM
Real name: Jakub James Horejsi
Partypoker: horeni68
Stars: horeni68
888: horeni68
Partypoker details: Jakub Horejsi, horenips
Skype names: live:57921f0043e48d2f, jungleman23, robinho, robinho161
(not the swedish robinho, but that is one of the people he impersonated)

Photo:


Impersonated multiple people on Skype and managed to infiltrate a poker swap chat. Offered to trade $5k Stars for Party and never send his end.

Turns out he stole $4k from Big Huni's/MikeyGG puravida stable earlier.
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10-31-2017 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Invertible
Been staking for about a month on here and thought I would put up the names of people who are ****ing douchebags and took my money/played much higher than they were supposed to

Name: Brett Losta
2+2 name : p0kerd0nKKKKKK
poker screenames: Acromdyi

lost all his roll in one night and never heard from him again

Name: Irwing
2+2 name : Ilove3betyou
poker screenames: Ilove3betyou

found him playing 1/2 PLO when he should be playing 10nl

2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

Was doing well, playing what he was supposed to, putting in good volume and then loses everything on BJ
If anyone knows Invertible then please let him know that I would like to pay back the stake.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 11-04-2019 at 04:57 AM. Reason: Removing real name for resolved issue.
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10-31-2017 , 02:15 PM
PokerStars: huge.fishh


We received a staking application from Alex couple months ago. Quickly we discovered that Alex had issues with staking in the past (https://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/d...xandru-670087/ ), however, that incident seemed to happen a long time ago and was pretty minor.
Alex reassured us that there was a misunderstanding and the staker received his share of profit with very little delay. So we decided to give it a go (yeah, I know).


We sent him initial bankroll for playing $15 Spin’n’Go's at PokerStars ($450). When it was time to split the profits for the first time, he disappeared for several days. When we finally managed to get an answer out of him, we found out that he had already withdrawn most of the money from his account.
The reason was that he allegedly had to pay for his car maintenance. Needless to say that we never gave our consent to such a withdrawal nor were we notified about it.

After this we basically decided to cease staking and agreed on him providing weekly reports and payments - as he promised to pay his debt «ASAP», grinding lower limits. Those were the last words we received from him: although being online in Skype and having been noticed at the tables in $7 Spins he stopped answering emails, skype calls and messages.


huge.fishh is a scammer, do not stake this guy.

Total amount stolen: bankroll $450 + our share of the profits $970 = $1420.

Last edited by Mat Sklansky; 07-04-2018 at 12:47 AM. Reason: gdpr compliant edits.
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11-01-2017 , 07:24 PM
The guy selling this app is a scam, he takes money and he doesn't send the material. Can't complain much though, it's like buying coke and receiving icing sugar. gg

PS screen name: _StrQua3_


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo1KrOObL20


https://gyazo.com/cf460f00c92cdf3ca1e5d8d267e8bfad
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11-02-2017 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by nav
2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

If anyone knows Invertible then please let him know that I would like to pay back the stake.
He tells me he has Skyped and PMed you, and you have PMed me since he has, but you have not responded.

If you wanted to repay him, you could.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 11-04-2019 at 04:58 AM. Reason: Removing real name for resolved issue.
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11-02-2017 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
He tells me he has Skyped and PMed you, and you have PMed me since he has, but you have not responded.

If you wanted to repay him, you could.
Invertible doesn't know how much he staked me for and is asking me if I have the info. I don't remember either, so I'm asking to unban my old account for a day to find out if there are any clues.
Mike Haven is not doing that and is asking me to pay whatever I'm asked to. Claims that I'm somehow trying to scam him.

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11-02-2017 , 06:15 AM
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Invertible doesn't know how much he staked me for and is asking me if I have the info. I don't remember either, so I'm asking to unban my old account for a day to find out if there are any clues.
Mike Haven is not doing that and is asking me to pay whatever I'm asked to. Claims that I'm somehow trying to scam him.
2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

Invertible PMed me with:

"Yeah I'm not sure, the poker site is now closed and I don't seem to have a transfer email. I do know he was staked for 10nl so I would have either sent him $100 or $150 (changed the amount of buy ins I sent mid way though staking), but none of this would be discussed in PM anyway only on Skype. He my have the transaction email still. He's still not responding to my PM's or Skype messages.

"He sent me a Skype message on 11th September asking if he can repay debt. I replied on 13th septemeber. I've not had any contact since then. I sent him a PM on here and Skype message this morning.

"I asked him to find out how much the stake was for if he could. He may think there may be discussions about the stake in his PM's but there most likely won't be. I done all staking discussions over Skype. I would tell him this myself if he would talk with me."

As I've said in my latest PMs with you, if you are serious about making good, respond to him now, and send him $150 now. You can send more or he can return some if the figure is later found to be incorrect.

To me, from your PMs, it seems like you are not at all serious, and that you simply want access to your "navigator" PMs for some other reason.

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11-02-2017 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

Invertible PMed me with:

"Yeah I'm not sure, the poker site is now closed and I don't seem to have a transfer email. I do know he was staked for 10nl so I would have either sent him $100 or $150 (changed the amount of buy ins I sent mid way though staking), but none of this would be discussed in PM anyway only on Skype. He my have the transaction email still. He's still not responding to my PM's or Skype messages.

"He sent me a Skype message on 11th September asking if he can repay debt. I replied on 13th septemeber. I've not had any contact since then. I sent him a PM on here and Skype message this morning.

"I asked him to find out how much the stake was for if he could. He may think there may be discussions about the stake in his PM's but there most likely won't be. I done all staking discussions over Skype. I would tell him this myself if he would talk with me."

As I've said in my latest PMs with you, if you are serious about making good, respond to him now, and send him $150 now. You can send more or he can return some if the figure is later found to be incorrect.

To me, from your PMs, it seems like you are not at all serious, and that you simply want access to your "navigator" PMs for some other reason.
1. How does he know that I was staked for 10nl, but doesn't know any other information?
2. I waited a few days on skype for a reply and deleted it as I don't use it. I will log-in again and try to find out more information.
3. You won't even tell me the email that I used for navigator. Maybe you know the right amount and just want me to pay more because you're fixated on that I'm this big scammer.

Just to add some information: it was my first ever stake and I wasn't even a winning player back then, so $150 is on the large side, but not impossible.

Looking through Invertible's post history I can see that he offered to stake from 4NL to 400NL.

I'm 95% sure that I was staked for a few buy-ins at 4NL as a test run because I was a losing player, but as he probably got a good rakeback deal on me then he decided to give it a shot.

I think that I tried to pay back soon after I lost the stake, but I'm not sure why I didn't. That's why I want to see my last pm's because there must be more information about it.

Seriously, what else I can gain from seeing 7 year old pm's?

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11-02-2017 , 08:35 AM
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Maybe you know the right amount and just want me to pay more because you're fixated on that I'm this big scammer.
And your PM:
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I think you both are lying to me. I'm 95% sure that I was staked for 4nl and I think I tried to pay back shortly after I lost the stake so there must be information about it in my recent pm's. Probably that's the reason you won't give me access to the old account.
2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

There is no need to insult my integrity. I know only what I have stated above in the copy of Invertible's PM to me. Why don't you reply to his PMs so he can confirm that he wrote what I copied?

How much do you want to pay him, now, in order to show good faith that you are a changed man and wish to repay him his money after the 7 years of no attempt at contact?

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11-02-2017 , 08:45 AM
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And your PM:

2+2 name : navigator
poker screenames: oriole_18

There is no need to insult my integrity. I know only what I have stated above in the copy of Invertible's PM to me. Why don't you reply to his PMs so he can confirm that he wrote what I copied?

How much do you want to pay him, now, in order to show good faith that you are a changed man and wish to repay him his money after the 7 years of no attempt at contact?
Do you want to tell me that "moderator of moderators" don't have access to private pms? If you are telling me that I have not tried to contact him before I was banned and that there are no details about the stake in my private pm's history then you're lying.

It's obvious you don't care about this being dealt in a fair way. You want me to pay whatever the maximum amount Invertible is asking no matter what are the actual facts.

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As you are 7 years too late in paying him, why not give him $150 now to make him happy and clear your conscience, (if you actually do have any conscience about ripping him off all those years ago)?
Since he made money on me even with lost stake I wouldn't call it ripping someone off. I played through his affiliate link and I did put a good volume before I lost the stake.

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