TwoplusTwo (and other forums) username: Zuckmeout
Pokerstars Screenname: Zuckmeout
Real name: Jens Engeset
Email:
engesetjens91@gmail.com
Skype: jens.k.engeset
Country: Norway
Cliff Notes:
Jens Engeset wasn't playing a lot.
We slightly reduced his limits.
He played more games, but a significant portion (~10%) were not allowed (he subsequently repaid the losses).
We reduced his limits further.
Zuckmeout started playing high-volume sessions with games like the $0.55 turbo included.
We reviewed Zuckmeout's play and it was on a level that indicated that he was losing money on purpose to force us to drop him.
We are dropping Zuckmeout / Jens Engeset and posting negative feedback to inform other backers.
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We backed Zuckmeout / Jens Engeset from October 2015 to now, with a vacation break during the summer of 2016.
Jens Engeset came back from his break a few weeks prior to WCOOP, where he did not do well. After WCOOP Jens Engeset's volume dropped off precipitously.
In November we asked Jens Engeset how he was doing:
[11/14/2016 10:24:42 AM] zuckmeout .: Im feeling lots better, been rly rough last 2 months. Its now out of The world and back to being positive
feeling bad about The insane low volume atm but its gonna get much better next weeks
We reminded him that we expect at least 300 games a month and cut his schedule back as his 12-month avg volume was under 200. The changes to his schedule were:
Turbos decreased to $11 (from $16.50)
Turbo Rebuys removed
Bigs decreased to $27 (from $33)
Bounty Builders decreased to $22 (from $33)
Hots decreased to $16.50 (from $22)
No Bubble Rush
No Hypers
$44 Sunday Marathon removed
$55 Sunday Stack removed
$215 Sunday Million removed
We explicitly told him that his schedule wouldn't be reconsidered until he did 400+ games for at least 2 months.
[11/14/2016 10:29:57 AM] Standard Backing: are you going to be able to increase your volume?
[11/14/2016 10:30:24 AM] zuckmeout .: hell yeah, gonna bring it up wayyyyy higher
[11/14/2016 10:44:29 AM] Standard Backing: when do you expect that to start happening?
[11/14/2016 10:51:19 AM] zuckmeout .: Wednesday around 2pm
[11/14/2016 10:51:39 AM] zuckmeout .: Maybe tomorrow
By January 6th he had played only about 475 games (he's locked sharkscope, so hard to get exact number):
[1/6/2017 10:54:36 AM] Standard Backing: You've played less than 1k games in the last 6 months
[1/6/2017 10:55:33 AM] zuckmeout .: i know, we spoke about this 1,5 month ago, and i said i would step it up, so i played 400 the first month, and now ive been busy/injured
At this point we suggested that Jens Engeset buyout his makeup ($12.7k at the time). Jens Engeset offered $0 up front and $100/month going forward. But we declined. We reminded Jens Engeset that he needed to play 400+ MTTs for 2 months for his schedule to be reconsidered. Part of his response was:
[1/6/2017 11:13:29 AM] zuckmeout .: yeah i know, but its not that easy to do, the turneys available on stars is not as big as they used to be,
i had to put in like 0,55t and b1 and stuff to get a lot of turneys in:P
[1/6/2017 12:17:20 PM] zuckmeout .: I feel disappointed in the way ive been treated to be honest. It’s seems absurd to just put me way down in stakes like this even tho my results and winrates are good for higher. It’s just hard to keep a very high volume each month cos things will come in the way sometimes. I know my volume for the past months haven’t been great, but I don’t think this is the solution. It feels more like a punishment then anything else wich dosen’t make me very motivated to keep on perform my best, and we both are in this to make money afterall. What do you prefer as a backer 1) A horse that’s not happy about the situation and just reg up very ridiculous stakes and games in forms of variance 2) Or a horse that’s wanna perform better all the time and actuly see progress both in skill and the games. I find it very hard to play an A) game
while struggling to just reg up everything that runs on stars just to keep a volume wich I just have to if I wanna move back up, so this feels like just burning money for us both.
On January 8th, we discovered that zuckmeout had played ~100 MTTs in the last 2 days including $0.55 turbo and other such nonsense games for his limits. When asking him about it:
[1/8/2017 10:03:23 PM] zuckmeout .: tbh i play optimal when i 4 table, but i can handle 16-20 at one time easily too
[1/8/2017 10:07:04 PM] zuckmeout .: im just stressing because i would have to make another 2 months of 400 games in a row if i dont make it his month
On January 15th, we discovered that Jens Engeset had been playing many games outside of his buyin limits, since December (a significant portion of Jens Engeset's lackluster volume were games that were not allowed):
6x $44 Bounty Builder
13x $33 Bounty Builder
$27 Deepstack
12 $22 Turbos
$16.50 Turbo Zoom
$11 Hyper
1 $3.30 hyper
2 $1.10 hyper
1 $0.55 hyper
2 $0.27 hyper
1 $1.10 splash ($11 total buyins)
$3.30 Bubble Rush
$2.20 Bubble Rush
2x $0.55 Bubble Rush
Jens Engeset lost a total $181.55, and deposited the difference.
[1/15/2017 1:45:33 PM] zuckmeout: i hope you understand on some level why i did what i did. Im not gonna justify it in any way. Its hard to be told u dont do enough, when what i spend most of my time is poker, and didnt put as much volume in since i want to be at my best when i do play. and didnt want my mu to be unreachable. the variance ive been having is beyond insane so its tough to come back everyday playing low stakes and keep a positive mentality. but hey thats how the world works
Given Jens Engeset's actions we were forced to reduce his limits further:
Regular MTTs reduced to $16.50s (from $22s)
Bigs reduced to $22s (from $27s)
Hots reduced to $11 (from $16.50)
$27 Saturday Eliminator PKO removed
$33 Mini Saturday KO removed
$33 Mini Thursday Thrill removed
$33 Mini Super Tuesday removed
Following this, Jens Engeset's requested a change in coach (which was granted). We had 1 coach review Jens Engeset's PT data and another coach did a review session with Jens Engeset. Both of these showed horrendous play by Jens, to a level commiserate with him likely losing on purpose (compared to his play earlier).
Our only option was to stop working with Jens Engeset / Zuckmeout and to post negative feedback to inform others of the potential issues you might have working with Jens Engeset / Zuckmeout.