According to Andres, he told him the first day about the other business and later told him that he will play only Sunday and 1 or 2 other days in week and abarone agreed to this without mentioning anything about deal change. Imo that was the time this matter should have been resolved to avoid this, but abarone didn't say a word about deal change. If Andres never asked this then he should definitely be paying to abarone. But this way this seems like a freeroll gamble by the backer because he knew the guy would leave and make a deal for the makeup if there was any left. This, together with abarones post tone, is enough for me to know that he knew this would eventually happen and is just trying because someone told him he should get the money.

p.s.
In relation to other post, I have explained how it is different. I didn't stake him while he was with abarone obv, but I will take him back 100% whatever happens with this dispute.

The terms related to volume/penalties wasn't hidden nor in tiny font; it was included in the first paragraph of the contract, immediately after the naming of the parties and duration of the agreement.

He's said the "I'd never play for 40%" to me repeatedly in the last few days, which makes me believe he truly did not read the contract. While I do find that to be both unsettling and unfortunate, I fail to see how it's my mistake.

Nothing about the deal changed, so I didn't think notice was required. The contract has stayed the same, the only difference between this last profit chop and the previous one is that I did not give him a pass this particular time because the volume was so abysmal. Technically, I could have enforced the 40/60 cut on the previous chop, too.

Yes, I don't believe he is a 'scammer.' But I do believe he is withholding money that rightly belongs to me and the general consensus (up to this point) agrees with me. Furthermore, he appears to be someone who refuses to be bound by contracts that he signs, making him a risky investment to the rest of the backing community. Not to mention the fact that he's been extremely difficult to deal with at many points during the agreement.

From friends and others I know getting staked or staking.
usually games per month is one of the first few things talked about.

so that is up to him to say "oh 500 games a month i doubt i could do that only playing twice a week at most"

Also does a staker have to say every single line of a contract???? really?
No a staker just has to say ok here is our contract, YOU READ IT OVER and if you have questions/concerns ask us. Or you can sign and return it right away.


if it is stated in his contract "failure to meet these terms allows me to change the deal" then he can do that. he didn't just spring it up on him.


You have yet to make an argument here woohoo12. that is logical.
You are excusing his behavior because he didn't read something he was supposed to.

I don't understand why you are arguing this point.

I dont know all the details in the contract and will not ask for posts relevant to that point. Basically if it is like you said he will have to pay out and I think he will as soon as he figures out his mistake. I just wanted to defend his reputation basically as I don't feel this is so much negative thread, but since you have no other ways to get the money you had to do this. Should have just included one of his friends in skype group and figure it out in pv5 with them, as I think they would recognise the mistake this way.

Just to clarify, he's saying he signed a contract for 500 games and then on the first day, he said he couldn't play 500 games? I thought he didn't read the contract. Now he read it?

I went back through our Skype history and found something. In actuality, at the end of his first month, he messaged me to apologize about not putting in the required games (Which makes me believe he was aware of the volume requirement and subsequent penalties) and would do it in the future:



I'd implore him to find the Skype conversation where I allowed a change in volume requirements. I posted screenshots of both times he mentioned a side business, so far the only response to that has been hearsay and attacks on my 'tone.'

Eagerly awaiting the screenshots.

Getting sick and tired of the blame shifting.

I've spent the last few days trying to resolve the situation with Andres and we had clearly reached an impasse. He doesn't believe he should pay. I believe he should. I spoke with several other backers (Perhaps not the most unbiased group, granted) about the situation and all sided with me.

When Andres refused, I was left with posting in this thread as my sole recourse. Lets be clear; It is NOT my job to round up a group of his friends and try to get them to make him come to his senses. That's on him.

lol it looks even worse when it shows that he clearly did read and the neglected the details. of the contract.
the money is clearly owed.
this shows a huge neglect and a big lack of responsibility on his part to own up to his many mistakes.

woohoo12 not sure why you even bothered posting. you tried to defend him, assumed the backer was in the wrong, ignored what was said for a few posts and just made yourself look terrible in the process.

You pretty much took a complete 180 in terms of your opinions/thoughts here
if you think hes a good guy then, and would back him yourself, you should be imploring him to pay first before doing anything.

Im no lawyer, but couldnt he argue that you set the precedent for profit chops that dont meet the volume requirement after the first chop?

He should just take the 7.5% IMO, but I can see where he is coming from, especially if he told you about a side business and only playing Sunday and 1 other day.

Unless the backer has said don't worry about the volume requirements in the future then there is no precedent. It annoys me when people try and claim ignorance of things that are clearly stated in a contract. I've given you a contract. I've asked you to read it and tell me if there is anything u object to in it. I've you then sign said contract then you must abide by the terms of them unless something is agreed later on.

I never said he wasn't going to pay, I believe he will do it if I am on abarone's side, I never came here and said 100% I think it's llambias's money or abarone's, I just needed more info and got that. I talked to llambias and he will get back to abarone today which probably wouldn't happen without me. And if standing up for your friend until you are proven otherwise is looking bad then I want to look bad for the rest of my life. Cheers

After finding that part of the Skype conversation (which makes it seem like he *did* read the contract), I feel worse about offering to split the difference. However, presumably after speaking with his friends, Llambias agreed to pay back my half of the ~$1400. He actually sent a few dollars too much, so I've sent that extra portion back.

While I do consider this matter resolved, I still can't in good conscience recommend him to other backers.

He signed a contract that he (allegedly) didn't read and used that as an excuse to not follow it. He provided a flimsy rationale for not paying back that was either laughable, proven false, and/or unable to be substantiated with screenshots. During the entire ordeal, he has tried to shift blame at every turn and been extremely rude to both me and my accountant. Even during our last interaction, he refused to accept responsibility, said I was immoral, and attempted to use the disputed money as a carrot to get me to "clean" his reputation.

I don't think he's a scammer, but he also isn't someone who I'd want to work with based on his previous behavior and overall attitude.

fair stance. definitely something someone should know before working with him in the future. glad you got your money back, he didn't deserve half but I understand why you offered it.

Rec'd the cash held.

Andres Coppini thats poor poor form buddy. Psyduck Staking and Aaron go out of their way and bend over backwards to accommodate their players, and this is your way of saying thanks? By "stealing" ev that doesnt belong to you and sending your buddy into the forums to try and smear a good persons name and brand? This is really pathetic and didn't think you were like this.

I couldn't just skim over this crap without leaving a comment, but i dont ever, ever see aaron or anyone in his operation doing anything wrong to his players if anything he would give back instead, i can gtd my left nut on this, so if he ever does, Andres you can come collect.

Do the right thing and hand over the rest of the money that is not yours, its only money mate and come in here and apologize.

Repaid us.

Nice, good job.

Don has agreed to a payment plan of $50/month + 50% of his winnings. Has already sent the first payment, reducing the debt to $4750. Will update when either paid in full or if anything goes awry.

2+2: budacul
Pokerstars: budacul
Skype: budac91
Name: Alexandru Budac /Budac Alexandru (Romania)
Email: newbud26@yahoo.com

Began staking Alexandru in June for micro Spin and Gos and husngs. After several reloads and instances of playing games outside of stake, once while drunk, I requested a playing history audit. He then admitted to using staking funds to place sportsbets and playing in stakes/games outside of the agreement. In this period, he also posted twice in the 2+2 marketplace trying to find staking.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6194

I immediately ended the staking agreement with full makeup and bankroll owing, of $640 in total. Alexandru said he didn't have any means to repay this amount.

In July, he claims to have found a job and we agreed on a repayment plan of $50 a month. The first repayment date was agreed to be 15th August but upon this date he says that he "lost his job" and will be unable to pay this amount. He has since then removed me as a Skype contact saying that it is a Skype bug. We are still in contact although he makes no attempt to rectify the situation.

Would obviously not recommend staking until this matter is resolved- currently he owes $640.

2+2: rab28
Pokerstars: bigfish468 (United Kingdom) -previously "rab allan" on Pokerstars but was granted a name change.
Skype: Robert.allan295
Name: Robert Allan
Email: robertallan441@gmail.com

Started staking Robert at microstakes mtts and 180s, at the end of July he stopped playing volume, gave us an update on 29th July that he was in the middle of moving house and decorating his new place. On the 2nd August he says he will be back at the tables asap. Since then he has not been in contact with us despite 5 requests to do so and we consider the funds stolen.

As of 22nd Aug he owes $250 BR and $250 Makeup. Would not stake until resolved.

Stars: Allwin_fgm
Location: Brasília ,Brazil

We backed Allwin_fgm from July 3rd to August 22, 2016. We stopped working with Allwin_fgm and dropped him (in makeup) because Allwin_fgm could not follow the buy-in guidelines that were set.

If you need more information please PM us.

UPDATE:

He's agreed to repay us $500 total. To date he's sent in $250

Want to give a heads up to anyone swapping with 2p2 user "saty".. did xfers with him regularly for a couple of months around february. He would send me PS first and want skrill (and paid a few bucks vig).. almost all the xfers were from one sn but on a few occasions he would send from "a friends" . the sns were quepasohomie, alexandira, EllShields and Thomaseeno. Amounts were usually in the $200 range a couple times a week.

PS froze and then banned my account bc of these xfers (well they wont give me details but the asked me how i knew those accounts etc). So I assume the guy was colluding or depositing with fraudulent funds.


Id obviously recommend not doing xfers with this person. He hasnt been active for a few months, most likely bc the accounts he had were banned but today he PMd me asking for a swap and wanted to send from the ps account "jezino82" and i also saw him post something in the p2p thread but think he deleted it since.

TwoplusTwo (and other forums) username: 4erkez
Pokerstars Screenname: Choganly
Real name: Mekan Arazmedov
Email: mekan185@yahoo.com / liuouhgkres@gmail.com
Skype: arazmedov
Country: Turkmenistan / Phnom Penh, Cambodia / China
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mekan.arazmedov
Photo ID: http://screencast.com/t/eLn1gFX9Kx
Photo of Mekan Arazmedov holding ID: http://screencast.com/t/dFmnRBKha1z
Pokerstars Cashier: http://screencast.com/t/F2ySMuJgj
Known Address: Choganly Bulvary 39, Choganly, Ashgabat, Turkmenistan, 744009
Known Address: 18 Fuxue Road, Beijing, China 102249

We backed Choganly / Mekan Arazmedov since September 2015 with a small break from March to April this year. When we requested audits he sent this:

"I am very sorry, I need to admit, I breached terms of our contract. I took money from bankroll. I will send audit few minutes later. I urgently needed money for treatment (for a medical non-life threatening skin condition). I was desperate and couldn't come up with anything better. I understand that it will be end of our contract"

Mekan Arazmedov "Choganly" owes us $3,198.32. He's agreed to go on a payment plan, repaying $200 in 2 weeks and sending subsequent payments every two weeks thereafter.

If you need more information please PM us here.

Pokerstars: Daddyca$h
ChipMeUp: YNE
Skype: ehtarenttu
Real Name: Mikael Antero Johansson
Email: Johansson.mikael@suomi24.fi
Stake: https://www.chipmeup.com/event/15513...ivate-for-harp

Amount Owed: $711.30 MU

Will bullet post on top here but felt I should list the more in depth timeframe for future reference and to the length we tried to go to allow the horse to set his own repayment plan. Sorry for the TLDR. In the end I think this all could have been avoided and we have been very patient with the horse to date and had any attempts been made to communicate and adjust payment schedule, make smaller payments etc we would have altered the terms he set. Obviously we are still willing to do so, but he has not given any indication other than "i will pay this"

I completely understand that this is a makeup payment and should be noted that no money was stolen, but after going through this process, regardless of the amount owed, future backers should be aware of the complete lack of communication this horse has, along with the value of his word.

-stake began in February
-April 11 told he had new job, couldn’t play during week, just Thursday – Saturday until job settled in. Was at $826 in mu
-April 17th agreed to continue stake with playing limitations above
-April 18th audit was requested from all horses
-April 25th had not received audit, messaged again
-April 26th contacted again on skype/email as also missed sending screenshot of cashier two weeks in row (in agreement)
-April 27th he contacted us said didn’t have RSA with him
-April 29th sent audit (checked out fine). Was told that communication needed to improve
-May 10th 2 more weeks of screenshots missed and a weekend passed with no play/communication.
-told again didn’t have RSA token with him
-stated that if he didn’t things sorted out he would buy out and pay the makeup
-May 14th Played scoop game outside stake without permission
-May 15th told he would be putting in a decent session on May 20-22nd
-May 20th Messaged too tired to play
-May 21st Messaged that 21st and 22nd were final two days of Hockey World Championships and he felt he needed to take the days off. Again said if he didn’t get in enough games in the month he would pay the makeup
-May 22 I messaged him that probably in both our best interests to address the makeup and move on.. Requested remaining funds back and a plan to address makeup of $1161.30
-May 25th received response that he would return funds when he was back home.
-May 29 no funds received, I sent another message
-May 31 funds received 9 days after requested. Asked me what timeframe I wanted makeup paid
-June 1 responded that I didn’t know timeframe because didn’t know his ability to pay and asked him what he thought he could do
-June 12 Email sent to him as no response from June 1
-June 15 Responded that he needed 6 weeks to make payments (Aug 1) to which I agreed
-July 21-26 91 games ($822 worht of buyins played on stars)
-July 22 Email sent with regards to games being played but no makeup payment being made. Reminder that he agreed to pay by Aug 1
-July 28th 2nd email sent after games played above and learning that some action was sold
-July 31 he messaged on skype, having not paid any money, asking for 2 more weeks, saying he got paid on Aug 15.
-Aug 2 I responded (was on holidays) that he could have until Aug 16th given that no more games were to be played and that if he missed his 2nd deadline I would be posting on 2+2, CMU etc
-Aug 2 He agreed and sent $450 to “show he was serious” about paying
-Aug 16 no payment, no messages
-Aug 17 Email and skype sent inquiring about payment (no response)
-Aug 20 $150 worth of buyins played on stars
-Aug 23 contacted me after I had a horse friend call him. Claimed contacted partner on Aug 15 (as I have left stable) to say he couldn’t meet his 2nd picked deadline. Spoker with partner yesterday about this post and never mentioned contact but trying to verify.

We started staking Daddyca$h in February and things started out ok. We provided a few coaching sessions as well.

In early April, he contacted me saying that he got a job opportunity and would not be able to play as much, but would be able to play Thursday – Saturday and once he got going on the job probably could play more during the week.

At this point we had about $826 in mu so we didn’t want to end the stake, we did discuss time commitment etc and again he told me that he would be able to play weekends and be focused and once he got things going on the job, could most likely play more. This is where things started to go down hill.

On April 18th, (day after we confirmed continuing the stake) I requested from all my horses player audits for the last month of games. By April 25th, I still had not received and sent a follow up message on skype. On April 26th I again contacted him on skype and also via email for him to contact me on skype. Finally on Apr 27th he contacted me and sent the audit on Apr 29th as he said he didn’t have his RSA with him. The audit checked out. During this time he also missed sending me his screenshot of his cashier screen two weeks in a row (this is part of all our agreements that they be sent each Monday).

I chalked both of these issues up to having just started a new job, but expressed to him some disappointment in having to chase him around so soon after agreeing to move forward and that communication was going to be key to making this work. I made it clear that our expectation was not to need to communicate every day, but better communication needed to occur when emails or skype messages were sent.

By May 10th, another two screenshots had been missed and a weekend passed with no play and no comments in the rail as to why (agreement has that horse will post if not playing for more than 2 days in a row with expected return time). Given our understanding of when he could and couldn’t play, I didn’t expect posts for not playing during the week, but if he was missing an entire weekend where he had previously said he could play, it should have been communicated.

Was told again that he didn’t have his RSA to send screenshot and that he has been working. At this point he said that if he didn’t get things sorted out soon he would buy himself out so we wouldn’t lose any money on him.

I again stressed the need or better communication and the understanding that games wouldn’t be played during the week, but the bare minimum of communication was needed from him moving forward.

After all this talk about communication and chasing for information/updates, a few days later I logged on to skype and saw a message asking to play a scoop event that wasn’t in the bankroll guidelines, with the stake taking 33%. Then a subsequent message 3 hours later saying “since I haven’t heard from you, will play the event and if itm will add 33% of winnings”

Our horses are not allowed to play games outside the stake without permission. Despite the communication issues to date, had I been online, I probably would have allowed him to play the game, but that is beside the point imo. Making the decision to play the game regardless because I wasn’t online, especially given my repeated messages about better communication, is a breach of the agreement. To top it off, minimal other games were played alongside that game despite him being online with time to play.

Rather than just say, sorry, wont happen again, the response I got was trying to mitigate why it was played. Another message by me talking about communication and telling him if he didn’t think he could handle the job and the stake that we should address the makeup and part ways amicably. At this point I was told that he would play a decent amount next weekend (May 20-22)

Message May 20th that was too tired to play, message May 21st that it was semifinal day at Hockey World championships and final o May 22nd so he felt he needed these days off. Again said that if he didn’t get enough games in during the month he would pay the makeup when he had funds.

At this point it was clear that even the minimal amount of days he said he could play were being played. I asked him to return the balance and provide me with a plan to address the outstanding makeup, which at this point was $1161.30. This was May 22nd

On May 25th I received a response that he would return the funds when he was back home. By May 29th still had not received funds and sent another message. On May 31st over a week after asking for funds to be returned, I received them along with a message saying he has so many things every day that he cant communicate “all the time”. He asked me for a reasonable timeframe to repay the makeup. I responded on June 1, that it is hard for me to set a timeframe when I have no idea his ability to make payments and to tell me what he thinks he can do, knowing that I want to clear it up asap
After that message on June 1, I got zero response and sent another message via email on June 12th. On June 15th he finally responded and asked for a 6 week time frame to pay all makeup and we agreed that all would be paid by August 1st.

During this 6 week period, I noticed that some games were being played on stars, one or two here and there until July 21st when there was a noticeable increase and between July 21st to 26th, he played 91 games, just over $822 worth of buyins. Obviously, given we had received $0 in payments in that timeframe, this was pretty disappointing. I also found out that he had sold some action in this timeframe as well through skype. On July 22nd after first seeing games played on the 21st, I emailed him and asked him why he had made no makeup payments before putting money on the tables again and also reminded him that he agreed to have his makeup paid off by August 1st. Obviously I received zero response.

I sent a further email on July 28th after seeing more games played noted above again asking for an update. On July 31st I received a message on skype asking for an additional 2 weeks to pay back the makeup as he would receive his paycheck on August 15th. I was on holidays and couldn’t respond until the 2nd of august. I voiced my displeasure over him not making any attempt to send even small payments in 6 weeks, selling action, playing, zero communication, etc. I told him that he had until August 16th or I would be posting on the staking sites and that my expectation would be that he wouldn’t be playing or selling action during that time. He responded that he understood our position and that he would make it right. He sent $450 and said he appreciated the two extra weeks, going as far as saying he would even pay back the coaching sessions when he had things sorted out.

So two additional weeks have passed with zero communication or payments. On August 17th (last Wednesday) I sent him a skype and email to him that have gone unanswered and he put in a session at the tables on August 20th for $150.

After asking another horse that knew him to call him, he messaged me on skype today and claimed he sent a message to staking partner on August 15th (as I have left the stable but was handling this). I have not confirmed with partner yet that happened but was speaking with him yesterday and apprised him that I was going to make this post and he never told me that Daddyca$h contacted him. I have sent message to partner to verify this. So even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did, rather than respond to my skype or emails on August 17th that he contacted partner, he continued to do what he always did and ignored them.

In message he asked me why I was being a pain in the ass, despite him setting the payment terms, missing them, asking for two more weeks, missing again and playing poker in between. At this time, I am handing things over to partners still in the stable and they can continue to follow up and I will update post when issue resolved.

Name: Natalino Ban
Pokerstars: lol_gutshot
Skype: lino.ban
Amount owed: $7960

Lino was staked by myself since 2013. Originally staked for 18 man SNGs and everything went smoothly. He completed the duties asked of him and there were never any discrepancies.

After a bad start to 2015, his MU was at around $4k. From the summer of 2015, his volume became less and less (breaching requirements in his contract). He was offered a deal whereby 50% of future profits would go to MU and 50% would be cashed out. His volume increased for a short while until the point more MU had accumulated and volume hit a low again.

Volume in 2016 had been poor, as was communication. Id often wait a week for a response to simple queries. In February, he stole money from his cashier. Once discovered by myself, he told a long story about how he needed money to fix his car and pay important bills. As a long time horse, even with all the more recent issues, I decided to give him another chance. He didnt steal again, but volume became even lower, he wasnt even playing an hour/week.

He then disappeared. Last contact was the 6th June and despite multiple efforts from myself, he hasnt given me any response. At this point he had over $500 in his pokerstars cashier, which I now presume has been stolen too.

Post will be updated if Lino surfaces.

Pretty harsh to seize your funds i guess but seems like a cost of doing business if your trading with randoms for dat vig.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=38083

Said this months ago when a similar situation occured on 888 but as far as i know he got his account back.