When you said you didn't have the Pocarr money anymore I assumed you played with our funds. Later, you clarified and told us you cashed out Pocarr funds for yourself. This is clearly wrong, and actually worse. We terminated the agreement as is the backers right to do so. We are simply asking for our money back.

https://gyazo.com/6949f8a7a698cc6a972f0c7a15956f22

Previously, you mentioned we didn't coach you, however, that is false. There is a video in the library specifically for you, as well as dozens of Spanish Instructional videos and also webinars.

https://gyazo.com/f1e92ad70387f835a333bfaf09558eb2

The many times Totito asked for coaching we informed him that we give our players time to watch videos from our library and get stronger fundamentals before having private sessions, but we promptly answered every hands he sent in his group chat. Also we let him purchase HRC with Pocarr's money and moved him up twice in a 2 month period. So, we did a lot for him.

Please note we have taken steps to improve how our policy works. We have updated our contracts to make it more clear and easily understandable. We have done this in Spanish, Portuguese as well as English. Also, we have adjusted the repayment system for players who are leaving.

Kind Regards,

Rod

You decided to keep money that wasn't yours. In any language, that's theft.

Acepta que especuló sobre el destino del dinero?
You agree that speculated about the fate of the money?
Usted está aceptando públicamente que hizo una especulación que generó daños y prejuicios en mi contra.
You are made publicly accepting speculation that generates damages against me.

Su especulación generó esto: http://prntscr.com/b8vs56
Sólo necesito que se haga responsable públicamente por haber generado aquella difamación.
I just need you to be made publicly responsible for having generated this slander.

Y cuando yo presenté mi renuncia, nunca recibí couch, Rodrigo.
When I presented my resignation, I never received couch, Rodrigo.

Recién el 9 de abril, ofrecieron darme un entrenamiento.
On April 9 you gave me training.
http://prntscr.com/b8vtsd
Yo presenté mi renuncia el 29 de marzo.
I presented my resignation on March 29.
http://prntscr.com/b8vwbt
(Voy a solicitar formalmente la dimisión del contrato.)
(I will formally request the resignation of the contract.)
(Realmente, creo es una muy buena escuela, con excelentes profesores e integrantes, pero, no me siento cómodo. Y no me voy a sentir cómodo en el futuro.)
(Actually, I think it's a very good school with excellent teachers and members, but I do not feel comfortable. And I will not feel comfortable in the future.)

¿Ustedes hicieron mucho por mí?
Do you do much for me?
Ganaba más dinero por mi cuenta. Y yo pagaba un couch privado sin problemas. Y usted sabe que su contenido (vídeos) en español no es realmente bueno o más bien, es limitado. Pero no niego que el coach fue bueno. Pero fue mucho después de que quise renunciar. Ya deje de poner las cosas a su favor, mi amigo. Sea sincero y directo. Y usted sabe que hubieron archivos de manos que nunca revisaron, además del trabajo mental que estaba haciendo.
I made more money on my own. And I paid a private coach without problems. And you know your content (videos) in Spanish it is not really good, or rather, it is limited. But I do not deny that the coach was good. But it was long after I wanted to quit. And stop putting things in their favor, my friend. Be honest and straightforward. And you know that files had hands that never reviewed, besides the mental work I was doing.
http://prntscr.com/b8vyut
(1/dic/2015-16/feb/2016
17/feb/2016-2031
Empecé a jugar regularmente en diciembre del 2015
I started playing regularly in December 2015)

Y le recuerdo, Usted no hizo nada bueno por mí, al contrario.
And I remember, you did nothing good for me, on the contrary.

Manipular la verdad, sigue siendo una mentira.
Manipulating the truth is still a lie.

Name: Lee Hanlon
Stars: Taffyfella

Signed an 18 month agreement and 6 months in he informed us he is parting ways because he can now afford to play for himself. To be clear, he did not steal funds but we feel this is negative feedback worthy.

1. tr. Quitar o tomar para sí con violencia o con fuerza lo ajeno.
Remove or take him with violence or force gossiping.

Yo no le quité a nadie. Retuve el dinero.
I did not removed anyone. I withheld the money.

Usted tiene que ser bancador o algo similar, o muy amigo de Pocarr. Estoy seguro.
Usted tiene que ser backer o algo similar, o muy amigo de Pocarr. I'm sure.

¿Cómo se llama eso en cualquier idioma?
How do you call that in any language?
Apoyar sus intereses personales.
Support their personal interests.

Todos mis amigos me dijeron: "no vas a poder ganar esta pelea con Pocarr". Estoy seguro que no, y que nadie me va a apoyar, pero no me importa. Al menos duermo con la conciencia tranquila y mis principios intactos. Porque sé que no he robado a nadie: aquí estoy, dando lo que recibí.
All my friends told me, "You're not going to win this fight with Pocarr". I'm sure I'll lose, and no one will support me, but I dont care. At least I sleep with a clear conscience and my principles intact. Because I know I have not stolen anybody: here I am, giving what I received.

De seguro, usted no va a comentar sobre la forma en la que me extorsionaron para que siga en Pocarr.
Surely, you will not comment on how they extorted me so that I continued in Pocarr.
Peor sobre las constantes publicaciones sin bases y fundamentos.
Nor do you comment on publications without bases and foundations.
Y no creo que usted mueva un dedo para cambiar la pésima política esclavista de las escuelas-backers.
And I do not think you move a finger to change the terrible slave policy of schools-Backers.

Por eso no me importa que me llame ladrón.
I do not care why you call me "thief".
Si ser ladrón es no dejar que te pisoteen y abusen de tu vida y dignidad, seré un ladrón por siempre.
If a thief is not let you trample and abuse of your life and dignity , I will be forever a thief.

Regards,
Aldo "Thief ToTiTo" Sánchez López

Posting sentences back to back in different languages makes it awfully hard to read your posts, but from what I gather you're saying that you feel wronged by Pocarr and therefore are "withholding" their money. Two wrongs don't make a right though (thanks Mom!).

While I've been vocal/critical of Pocarr throughout the thread (Go back and read my posts itt if you don't believe me), that doesn't entitle you to withhold/take/steal/hold their money hostage. Plus it nullifies your claim of moral superiority.

If you'd like an open discussion about the backer-horse relationship and potentially altering it in the future, I'm all for it. But return the money.

I write in 2 languages, because as I said, I do not understand English. And I use a translator. If something bad I translate, I leave the mother tongue for any reference. But if it is a problem, sorry.

I do not know if morals and principles are the same in its meaning. Anyway, any symptoms of moral superiority, shows the lack of it. I also do not believe in moral: it is very relative.

My claim is not moral, my claim is fair.

If you do not understand the context of all, I invite you add me to Skype (totito.sl@hotmail.com) to explain in detail the whole thing.

And if there are no guarantees in the contracts, nor is there any mediator to solve these problems fairly, there is only justice by own hands.
(Do not judge without having lived.)

Remember: I do not want problems or insubstantial debates. I do not want money or fame. I want my dignity back, and stop abuse against players who can not defend themselves.

This is the payment plan, and is as fair (I explained to Alex I need money to get started on my own, and this is behind us):
http://prnt.sc/b8tmb0
I proposed pay interest on what is just, because I will use the money to make money. Alex accepted, and I will fulfill.

If I lost my job, after a wrongful dismissal (Where are the guarantees as a player?), at least that they can do.

Closed that topic?

Now, I'm glad you're willing to change the contract system. First, there is a basic problem: jurisdiction, legal basis, and lawlessness.

-An international contract is based on the laws of the country of the contracting company
-Poker has no laws on sponsorship contracts
-Poker is illegal in many countries

We can start there ... I have ideas, but do not know if they will be heard and/or accepted.

Fully agree with everything acbarone has said. Even tho you feel ****ed over and probably for good reason it still doesn't mean it's ok to keep the money. Send it back and I'm sure you'll find a deal else where presuming your a winning player. Gl

pocarr in these 18 months contract the way you run thing if someone were to die during your contract do you message there family asking for the expected money they woulda won lel and anyone who flat out steals are scum

I not thinking I have to convince them that my decision is bad or good (to retain the money, and I'll use it to play on my own).

But for me, this is so:

1)I presented my resignation on March 29
I had other job opportunities: stable and with a fixed salary
Pocarr said "pay or play"

2)I asked Pocarr to reduce my monthly volume tournaments, April 4, to work part-time.
This was the first response: http://prntscr.com/b962qj
I had to write directly to Alex, and agreed to reduce the volume, after I explained my situation.

3)On April 16 there was an earthquake of 7.8 degrees on the Richter scale in my country (Ecuador).
I quit my part-time job because I could not leave my family alone at home. There have been more than 1,500 aftershocks. Can you imagine the fear of my family?
My wife is pregnant (8 months), and we have a 9 year old son.
It is not easy, right?
I focused on playing only Pocarr, and they knew it.

4)I was fired without warning. Without having time to look for alternatives.
It will be difficult to find a job in my city (but I'm doing and working on what I find).
But I was in 0.

5)I stopped playing poker for my bad experience and abuse of all people who read the feedback from this community.
Another backer, I'm sure, does not want me after this (and already tried in a school).
I want to play, because it is what I lived for 4 years of my life (live) and these months online.
If I lose opportunities for keeping in Pocarr, and they fired me, and then makes a feedback without bases and foundations, I can sit back?

I will use the bench to play on my own.
I will pay interest to Alex.
What is the problem?

I am a thief?
Yes ... a thief who continues to explain everything and who will pay the money plus interest to people who caused him many problems in life.

Bye.
I will not bother again this forum.

Name: Anthon Byberg
Stars: weakfishboi

Signed an 18 month agreement, said he improved and would begin playing on his own in cash games. Did not steal. This is just not someone we can recommend backing.

rethink 18 month contracts.
second one in a row who "left" and did NOT steal.
Other issues with 18 months.

Honestly a more fair assessment would be a 6 month deal but have it written in there, "we will seek compensation if you do: this this and this" or something to that regard.



No sane thinking person who hasn't played for a living before.. can honestly say they would play 18 months for a living being backed and know EXACTLY what they are getting into. There are too many factors that can just turn a person off and de-motivate them to the extent where they force themselves to play or just don't play at all.


Now ill avoid calling you a pouting child after your previous response to your business's sketchy dealings of "oh someone called me a giraffe forget you guys!" after asking for feedback and only waiting 6 hours.
and lets see if you will respond.

but i doubt it.

The anti-Pocarr criticism is becoming a little excessive imo. They appear to have taken some of the more constructive comments on board, so maybe ease off on the confrontational approach.

It's good to see a couple of recent posts from Alex pointing out that whilst he's offering a negative feedback report on certain players, he's not accusing them of a crime. I'd prefer not to see personal info posted in such cases though, as poker site and 2+2 SNs ought to be sufficient info to inform the poker community, and personal details should only be posted when it's absolutely necessary to warn the outside world about an individual. I'm surprised the 2+2 marketplace mods allow personal info of non-scammers to be posted tbh.

My guess is another backer is not going to want to back you after all this because any points that you might have in your treatment from pocarr are diminished by your admittance that you kept money that wasn't yours so you could play on your own.


this is how this statement should have ended, you can try to explain the poor decisions that lead you to stealing the money (signing what appears to be a horrible contract, quitting job, wanting to continue playing when you have no money to play after being released from contract) but it doesnt change the fact that you didnt return the funds

Hi all,

I'm Taffyfella on Stars and was staked by Pocarr for 6 months. Credit where credit is due, Pocarr were brilliant to me and provided me with a stake when I wasn't in a position to fund my own games and provided me with a platform to improve my game.Furthermore, the coaching, support and efficiency of Pocarr has been excellent.

All of that said, I feel Alex is bending the truth slightly to the real reason as to why I have ended our contract early. Yes, I am in a postion to fund my own games, however, my primary reason for leaving Pocarr is poker can no longer financially support me, therefore I have been offered a 9-5 office job starting on the 6th June (Initially it was to start next week but has since been re-negotiated). As a result I would be in breach of my contract either way being unable to meet the 200 game per month criteria.

I did state all of this to Alex in our Skype chat (See below) and that I will be playing in my spare time which will be 1-2 times per week if I'm lucky. I was in no MU, sent back full SBR without being prompted and sent an additional $60 in accumulated FFP's (Not many people would do that I'm sure).

It's not in my character to slander or disrespect anyone that has been great to me. I'm just merely defending the integrity of my character as I feel the negative feedback in unwarranted given the situation.

https://gyazo.com/1c725642810d059001de45224657b9c2

looks to me like you both handled this badly , why didn't you approach pocarr in the first instance and explain that you would need to play less and get a job and see if you could renegotiate the terms to drop the number of monthly tourneys but extend the time so that they could still get the same "income" but over a longer period rather than the first they find out is the money being returned and similarly if i was in Pocarr's position and you were a steady winner at the games i'd try and keep you onboardby offering to vary the contract terms to fit in with ne schedule but on a conidential basis so that other stable members didn't just think they could do the same.

Yeah, +1 to contact the stable first and tell them you won't be able to fulfill your full monthly volume anymore and what they want to do.

I'm sure even the most unreasonable backers understand the simple idea that once someone runs out of money and has no savings they're going to have to get a job outside poker to support themselves. No one can survive off thin air, after all.

If they still posted negative feedback after that conversation, I'm sure if you posted the skype logs it wouldn't really affect your chances for backing in the future.

pretty p1ss poor to negative feedback him and state the reason for him leaving is he can afford to play himself when the real reason is he got a job.

you don't need to type p1ss to get around the censoring filter. Piss works fine.

FYI you can also type cock, bastard, tits and arse.

Stars ID : zarepokerboy
Location : Croatia
Backed by : BBZ Staking
Stole between 1k - 2k

Basically disappeared one day, has money in accounts we've him several times on skype and on whatsapp. Messages delivered but ignored.

Do not stake.

Name: Tony Benton
Stars: SmurfIOW09

We chose to part ways with him and he did not send the Pocarr cash he held.

Its not any type of scam, just a warning for the comunity.

Two days ago i received an email from a player named Jean Vargas, from Costa Rica, 2JeanKarlo0 at Stars, asking for staking at 3$/7$ Spins or NL25/NL50.

With that information he sent 4 graphs, showing very decent stats.

The player informed that the spins was played from November 2015 to January 2016.

In the searches i did, that games didnt apear at sharkscope, but we all know that sharck dont track efficiently all the Spins, but i have idea that should track some.

The player dont have any games played since 2015, and in that year he have only 8 games. Overal games tracked by sharck was only 128, and no Spin and go.

Considering that, and to validade the graphs, i asked for audit files during the period player told me he played the games.

Today i received a message saying all his graphs are real,and that he dont want the stake anymore.

The player could be an honest guy and really play the games the graphs show, but i cant confirm that, and the situation its relly strange to me, so im posting this warning.

Sent us $91.21 yesterday. We have agreed upon a repayment plan and this is payment #1.

Despite what anyone says, we do think Totito is a fine person and worth considering backing if you are a backer reading this (in terms of trust). We've had our disagreements but that is my assessment on the situation.

It's unfortunate we had our back and forth in a public setting but perhaps it's for the best as our policies and agreements we have going forward have improved. I hope Totito will take some sort of positive from this as well and that it's not all negative.

I will post again when we complete the repayment plan or if it gets botched.

Name: Victor Tavares Balzano
Stars: vTr 6969

Did not work hard or watch the number of videos we agreed upon. Cannot recommend backing this player.

Hello 2+2

Meet Alan Urling Aka MR.EM_1991 . I decided to give Alan chance grinding it up from smallest stakes , since i sent him bankroll he logged out of skype and is not responding to any form of communication. Alan currently lives in Newton Abbot, UK. Total damage made is 50€ , I hope it was well worth it for you Alan.

https://gyazo.com/a5f5c65883da71a9cc0fde6d81f4b6ca


Once he pay me back i will put this away, but until then i want to have it here as warning for another backers.