can some1 remove this as it was solved. thx

Name: Dean Quinn
Stars: mugggggy
888: mugggggy
skypoker: mugggggy1
Party: konrats

https://deanquinnisathief.wordpress.com/

Defending scamming allegations made by WhySoSrs. I've been trying to get in contact with him for over 2 months. I tried to contact him when I had the money to pay but no reply. As can be seen by the graph I've made enough money to pay him back but he chooses to ignore me and tarnish my reputation.

Here are some related pictures.
https://gyazo.com/f028105be3b97d0180ef47f39bac9c49

Here is some conversation with him, I believe it to be timestamped.
https://gyazo.com/b3777fdbb4b4d890c33b1b44091a8389
https://gyazo.com/b22c6a9683a663b383be20de0924bcc2
https://gyazo.com/83e9aa3214d57218986754193a1ba0b1
https://gyazo.com/6965fc40d21d0cb184f5750409687dd2


Sorry for the long reply I'd previously lost the more historic chat but I've been able to recover it. Also sorry for the Gyazo links, I thought adding them all as pictures would make this post hilariously long

For anyone saying I should have just sent him the money he used many different Skrill accounts. Women's name, Asian names etc etc. My money would've vanished. He also didn't confirm that the hack was resolved.

I hope this sheds some light on the matter

Assuming the above is true...

With so many other payment options available (as well as intermediaries), I'm shocked this hasn't been resolved. Speaks to gross ineptitude or deception IMO.

Scammer alert Name: Cristian Szell Screename: Szell76 Country: Romania Address: str bruntarieri.nr1419 RO^VIIS 3365 Cluj Email: kentsupa@yahoo.com Cristian came to us with a sob story about how he had bad diabetes and cannot leave his house. We decided to give him a chance on a staking deal he repayed us by grinding for a few days and then disapearing with the bankroll in his account. We attempted to contact him multiple times on Skype and by email to no avail. His Sharkscope shows he is still playing albeit in games not allowed under the stake. Do not trust this scumbag. He´s posting here on 2p2 under the username "diabetic1" and are searching for more staking deals. Don´t trust in this guy!

P.S Posting that behalf of my stable!

Name: Ivan Dario Castellanos Dias
Stars: ivancasdiaz

https://ivandariocastellanosdiasisathief.wordpress.com/

Pocarr are clearly a very well put together stable and obvs very successful.
But there thief pages are beyond a joke and they take them way 2 far as seen above but also for the amount of info and pics they post a lot of the time including pictures of people not even involved but to the untrained eye linking there involvement.
Pocarr grow up with thief pages and keep them for the real scum bags out there thanks.

Well, the guy above took money that wasn't his and hasn't paid back. Sounds like a thief IMO.

least they got that one right...
was bound to happen eventually.

didnt mean directly above ma bad on wording

In addition the backer has now blocked me from Skype. I hope this can clear my name slightly
https://gyazo.com/717224d95f5c4e0bcc4a923396f7c775

Name: Łukasz Worytkiewicz, Lukasz Worytkiewicz
Stars: mymitsu

https://lukaszworytkiewiczisathief.wordpress.com/

Owes you <EV of staking for these missed 14 months of backing> how is this calculated sir?

Would be interested in the 'calculation' behind this too.

i hope someone who "steals there time" and gets a thief page up sues pocarr

it's a pretty low total when you consider the length of the contract. looks like he took off with starting bankroll while in makeup. the EV part of the number has to be v small.

If they're accusing him of actually stealing money then fine, but it's not clear. My initial interpretation of the brief, vague text on that site was that the player in question had played some poker, lost money and quit in makeup. Of course that's terrible and the staking community needs to know that this guy owes pocarr money and should not be staked. But does it make him a THIEF?

What I (and presumably others) have a problem with is pocarr's apparent belief that every player who owes them money and either fails or refuses to pay, is a THIEF. I suspect that the threat of a THIEF site is being used as a blackmail tool to bully unwilling ex-horses into complying with their demands for repayment. This would be a dangerous policy however as blackmail is obviously a serious criminal offence.

Pocarr ought to be very clear when making these sites that the player in question actually STOLE MONEY.

Basically the definition of theft.

What would you propose as a legal option to get your money back?

i also think that there should be another type of website that is less harsh
xxxshouldntbetrusted.com
xxxisathief.com

I have heard worse ideas. Not a bad one actually
I think Lost ostrich hit the nail on the head.

but lets be honest pocarr may be good players with coaches and such. Business side they clearly need help

Awful stable to work for from the looks of things, taking advantage of desperate players

Not all makeup is a debt and not all failure to repay makeup is thievery. Let's take these 3 hypothetical players being staked for cash games:

1) Player 1 gets a stake, runs up $1000 in makeup in 2 weeks, then quits the stake. Doesn't repay, is later seen at the same games he was staked for, presumably under his own dime or the dime of another backer.

2) Player 2 gets a stake, runs up $1000 makeup in 2 months, then decides cash games aren't for him and he'd rather grind MTT's. Quits the stable, doesn't repay anything, but doesn't grind cash games again.

3) Player 3 gets a stake, runs up $1000 makeup in 6 months, then decides to quit poker altogether as he needs a more stable and guaranteed income. Doesn't repay but isn't seen at the tables again.

The first guy clearly deserves a thief site as the intention all along was obviously to freeroll the stable (i.e. if he makes profits then great, if not he's not going to stick around to make back his losses). The second guy deserves to have a warning given out to the community about him, but he's not a 'thief', and it's highly -EV for a backer to force someone to play games they don't want to be playing. The third guy doesn't deserve to have anything negative posted about him at all, and the stable has to eat the losses in much the same way as a company has to eat the training costs when an employee just decides to quit - it's a cost of doing business.

The stuff about 'the EV of the time he didn't grind for us' is obviously crazy talk. Hell, even on the pocarr website (http://pocarr.com/faq/) it says:

"What if I want to end the agreement early?

Return all Pocarr funds and you are free to go. Please keep in mind however that you will lose your access to Pocarr videos, webinars, and the forum."

So Pocarr themselves don't seem to value the 'EV of missed staking' at anything above zero, as according to their website you can leave at any point you like.

Pokerstars sn: DelfinuV

staked to play low limit cash games, was fine for about a week, always in contract, going over hands, sending screenshots etc. then just left my group chat on skype, and haven't heard from him since. ran with about $500 of my money.

if you know him, or come across him, please pm me.

thief
θiːf/Submit
noun
a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or threat of violence.

As someone who knows someone backed by WhySoSrs and have also spoke to him previously, I can confirm that WhySoSrs backing methods are quite haphazard. He has history of creating accounts with names of people he knows in the UK and allowing horses to use them via vpn from abroad, borderline ethics.

so the point is that pur3decideds version may be quite accurate.