i play every day...understand your concern... me and senjitsu have talked and will continue doing business

davidmax. no point in arguing this. You just sounds like a bigger idiot. Everyone on this board knows that senjitsu is one of the most trusted people in the marketplace so theres no point in arguing your point vs. his.

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Edit/MH: davidmaxout99, for search purposes.

^^^^ok scratch my last post then if you worked everything out

not sure there's ever an excuse to give false info when doing a stake/trade/purchase/whatever thru the marketplace tbh.

May seem like a minor deal, but it pissed me off and I don't care.

imurvariance posted in omg asking someone to resize a gif to avatar size for him, said he'd ship 5 bucks on stars or FTP to whoever did it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1554


I resized it and posted it, and a minute later someone else did as well.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1558
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1560

a few minutes later, imurvariance thanks the other guy who posted after me, and says nothing to me and ships me exactly 0 dollars.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1585

at that point he's got his new avatar and needs nothing else from omg so he doesn't post anything else and leaves.


If this guy can't follow through on five measly dollars, I don't see how he can be trusted with greater sums of money. No way in hell I would ever stake him or trade with him, or of course, resize any more gifs for him.

yeah, I'll admit it, it's a pretty minor deal. Just 5 bucks. But he didn't hold up his end of the deal, and his douche baggery has rubbed off on me so I'm making this post.

^^^ I hope you at least PMed him before you **** on his rep for $5. Dude seems nice from what I've seen.

Yeah it would suck if there wasn't a PM about it, I have seen at least 3-4 instances where someone wants a pic/gif done and offers $5 and someone ends up doing it right away and posts it, only to run into the fact someone PM'd the pic/gif instead or posted at the same time.

It then leads to the guy who paid the person that PM'd him now having to pay someone else that posted or get called a scammer, scumbag etc.

LirvA you do awesome work in CTH so would hate to say something that offends you, but I think this is a bit of an over reaction.

To the posters above, I did not recieve a PM from Lirva regarding this matter prior to him posting in this thread. If AznPower hadn't sent me a pm about this I wouldn't even know this was going on.

Lirva, the way in which you handled this is absolutely ridiculous. Did you really think I was trying to scam you out of five measly dollars? If you had sent me a simple pm saying something along the lines of, "Hey, I posted that .gif for you before the other guy and I want my monies" I would've apologized and immediately shipped you the money. There was obviously some sort of misunderstanding ( me not seeing your post because I was 18 tabling on a sunday ) and instead of trying to handle the matter appropriately you come in here to try and ruin my rep and call me a douchebag.

As to what actually happened. Shortly after posting my request I went into the omgomg thread, saw that someone had posted the avatar resized and in a subsequent post said they did not care at all about the $5. I did not even see your post in the thread at the time. I used the .gif that the other guy posted and considered the matter over.

I hope you are able to see that the way you handled this situation was grossly inappropriate.












So where you want that money shipped bro?

1) 2+2 screen name.

Jason881

2) Poker site name(s). Please.

Stars - Jason885
FTP - Jason881

3) AOL IM, emails, city, etc. Phone numbers, street addresses, and similar info is not permitted. Contact a mod about special circumstances.

AIM - stout881

4) A reasonably brief summary of the problem. No walls of text please, link to the thread if you like.

His story is that one night he came back home from a rave (didn't mention if he was drunk or high) and decided to play a 30/60 ring game where he managed to bust the roll. I haven't heard back from him in about 2 weeks.

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edit / gtpitch

Sent PM

Oh dear,
I sent Jason881 $200 today to play $11 HU PLO9 SNG and also a few MTTs. He had a pretty decent OPR and our conversation went smoothly, i was happy with everything. He signed a contract for 4 weeks and also provided me with a passport scan and screenshot of cashier (i can give the amount in his cashier if a mod thinks its appropriate)

As im writing this Jason got in touch with me and i asked him about this and he admitted that he lost the money in a game he shouldnt of played and wants to repay the amount owed to the above poster once he rebuilds his roll. I will post the amount that Jason wins per week with me in the thread so that the poster has an idea of what to expect although if you guys make another payback agreement then great.

Just felt i needed to post this.

This is all true what has been writen as soon as i rebuild my roll i will start paying off what i owe in installments.

COMMON SENSE SAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS???????

ok guys now i need help. I was trying to get money off and i wanted to clear the air with senjitsu and fix my image on here as well. i thought why not just trade w him since hes well known. 2birds w one stone.

Well after the scoop tourni on sunday i made an agreement with him. I send him 575 poker stars and hell give me 500 cash into wells fargo.(money for bills) The time he said hed be able to get it in was 12:00 noon.

Obv all you guys in the marketplace trust him and so i had no hesitation to send first which i did. Come 2,3 o clock still nothing so i call him. He answers and said that he did a cash deposit but it wont show up till today. I def waited camly until today (even though in my past experiences any cash deposit is insant, or it at least goes "pending" on online statements). SO still hasn't posted this morning.

Not calling him scammer or anytihng.... i jsut needed the cash yesterday and now still hasn't shown up so i don't know what to do. Either im jsut really unlucky and the teller messed up or he didn't deposit it.

i hope he contacts me or somehow it magicly shows up so i can say nevermind but for time being its still not showing up and im a little worried.

That's a pretty convenient excuse and I don't buy it at all.

Regarding you not seeing my post, there was one post between my post and Sydien's. Furthermore, I made a post directly after Sydien's pointing out that I beat him by a minute. In fact, here's a sceenshot!



Now, you'd have to be pretty damn blind (even if busy, per your excuse), to not see my post directly below his. And again, there was 1 post between my post and his.

Regarding his post saying he didn't want the money, you must have missed others posts pointing out that I was faster than Sydien!
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1564

Again, only a single post between that post, and Sydien saying he didn't want the money.


Finally, regarding your excuse that you were busy playing 18 tables, well ... let me just say that I am very impressed with your mental capacity! I only play 8 tables, and it's pretty damn difficult. The last thing I'm thinking about when 8 tabling is changing avatars and reading threads on twoplustwo. (I noticed after you thanked Sydien you were reading a SCOOP thread)

imurvariance, you are quite the enigma. You have such great mental capacity to allow you to 18 table AND change avatars AND read SCOOP threads, but with all that mental power and speed you don't see two posts that were separated by a single post, and a post directly under the post providing your new avatar? Strange world we're living in today.

relax man its just 5 bones and he offered to pay u!

seriously Lirva get out of this thread with such a bull**** matter. stay in bbv4life, leave this thread for players with real problems with scammers and not your contrite tldr crap

It was probably a pretty big mistake trading this guy in the first place. After he finally made good on our last transaction and i posted his info, i felt bad and wanted to show there were no hard feelings. He had just cashed in a tournament so i figured there would be no issues with the funds or anything.

I went to the bank mon afternoon around 3 ish to make the deposit and the teller told me even though the deposit was cash it would not be available until the next business day. Seemed odd so i confirmed with him that he wanted the deposit made (versus some other means of payment like WU or an online WF transfer or just shipping the money back on stars). He confirmed that he did want it done this way so i made the deposit.

between now and then he has pretty much been blowing up my phone asking where his money is at (probably close to a dozen texts and calls). Im not sure what i can tell him except ill go into WF today if he still doesnt see it (its 10AM here and the banks just opened... i cant really get out of the house until this afternoon sometime)... I also told him if for some reason WF couldnt give me a clear answer when i went in, i would ship him back the money and deal with getting it from WF myself.

+1, you have handled that 'situation' terribadly and your rebuttal to imurvanriance's perfectly reasonable response was laughable.

im not mad or upset or calling him out whatsoever... jsut want my money ... i think i sent maybe 4 txt yesterday and about 3 calls so sorry if thats somehow out of line but You said 12 noon yesterday cash deposit would be made. its now 24 hrs from that time. we did talk on phone about it and i was totaly cool and gave it the chance to show up today. You didn't wanan WU cause of the fee or whatever. I think i had a right to call ya when it didn't show and still hasn't. I paid 75 bucks extra too and was hoping i'd get it when planned, thats all. but somehow its jsut my luck that a cash deposit doesn't post instantly...

ill take Wellsfargo obv but if something goes wrong stars back is fine, lemme kno

+2 - There are people here dealing with actual scams, rather than minor misunderstandings over $5 sums. As a poster said above, I respect your history here on 2+2. You are a very helpful poster and I thank you for that. But in this instance you are way off the mark in my opinion, and have handled things terribly.

OK... i talked to WF and confirmed that you did not get the money. Apparently the teller misunderstood what i wanted to do, put the money in my account and initiated a transfer into your account. That transfer was returned to my account, apparently because of a problem on your end (the teller said it could be a negative balance or your account cant take electronic transfers)

Regardless, after information pointed out to me by a mod and another user, im about 99% certain you were using a transaction with me to move stolen money/ scammed money. Because of this, I am no longer comfortable doing business with you and will ship the funds back to your stars account.

After i give the users who are claiming to have been scammed by you an opportunity to respond I will ship the money back.

Obviously talk to those people first, but afterwards, you/they should probably explain this. Davidmaxout has been asking for stakes in other threads.

Davidmaxout approached me for a stake of 20 x $27 SnG, lucky for me a quick 2+2 search drummed up this thread but he is certainly actively looking for some cash.

sigh... yea im looking for stakes.. ive been staked and ive staked in the past, and its all worked fine.... all until the 50 visa that happened which i do take responsibility for and sent senj 50 via stars asap... and then i sent 575 instant out of my 800 score in scoop. the person senj is saying i owed i specificaly had him calll senj and the mod already knew to...i owe make up and cash but it was all good... both problems have been solved

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Edit/MH: senjitsu, for search purposes.

OK wrapping this davidmaxout thing.

After i called david out for scamming me by selling me visa gc then canceling it (here), he made good on the transaction and was somewhat apoligetic. At the time, he had just cashed in a scoop, and offered to trade some of his winnings with me in return for a wf transfer.

Since i felt kind of bad about trashing him in the NF thread just a few minutes before he finally made good on the other transaction, i decided to do the trade with him after significant begging.

When i went to wells fargo, they said the money would not show up in his account until the next business day. I contacted him by phone and confirmed that he did want me to make the deposit. I made the deposit. Between midnight on tuesday and noon on tuesday, he called me around a dozen times and texted me like 20 times.

When i went to wells they said there was a problem with the account, and the deposit had been returned to my account. OK good enough.

In the mean time, dmo posted in the negative feedback thread, and GTpitch pointed out this to me from the staking forum when asking me to respond to it. Also user ruusskih contacted me about being scammed by david as well.

At this point, i realized i was holding funds that were most likely stolen. I pmmed ruus and deuce and cleared up everything that had happened. Ruuss says he worked out his issue with david. Deuce said david still owed him about 535 from a reversed paypal transaction. I sent the 535 to deuce7788 and the remaining 40 to Dmo.

In my opinion, Davidmaxout99 should be banned from using the transfer thread and staking and marketplace forums for the following infractions:

1. He reneged on his trade with me for the visa gift card, canceling it after i shipped him the funds. He did make good on this, but apparently did so by stealing money from deuce7788 (from the timing of these two things, it looks like the 50 bucks he shipped me back was money that deuce shipped him for staking)

2. He either misrepresented his identity now or has in the past -- When he was in contact with me, he claimed to be marc SAenz -- but Itt he claims that was a lie. Regardless of which identity is the true one, the mere presence of two is worrisome.

3. He reversed a paypal transaction with deuce7788. While they did work out a payment plan, it is pretty clear to me in context that the only reason an agreement was reached there is that deuce believed that said plan was the only chance he had at getting any money back at all.

4. All this has happened since the 15th of april -- with a first 15 days of membership like this its practically inconceivable that his 2p2 tenure is going to end well.