I believe 2+2 user Johnmanouras(http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/211610/) = 2+2 user CRP90 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/351322/) = 2+2 user prento18 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/259533/)

note: the emails in the contact info section of prento18(chris_prentice13@hotmail.com) and johnmanouras(chris_prentice14@hotmail.com).

user CRP90 has been confirmed to be Christopher Prentice who is the owner of pokerstars account prento18 and the owner of email account chris_prentice14@hotmail.com

email chris_prentice14@hotmail.com is attached to 2+2 account johnmanouras


I also believe throughout these accounts posting histories there is significant evidence of multiaccounting and scamming (this post was editted by a mod to let people know that johnmanouras is banned from chipmeup http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1854 selling shares under pokerstars name johnmanouras )

prento18s pocket5s profile talks about golf, while a couple of johnmanouras 2+2 posts are about the australian PGA

99% certain its all the same guy and he's scamming in multiple places at once

Great detective work mate , much appreciated.

Cheers,
C.

https://gyazo.com/ce828dced0534c8b560384dfed80df80

Still waiting for his reply as well

Follow up on this has revealed that Chris Prentice is in no way, nor has he ever been associated with Team Dire Wolves professionally.

We appreciate the good folks there letting us know on that... and we want it to be clear that they run a solid organization and are in no way involved in anything mentioned here.

Chris apparently has also made claims about being a pro on other gaming teams as well ... so the stories around that ( which were fairly extensive ) are all false.

We will be contacting him on this new piece of information as well and will provide him with a link to this post in hopes that he will want to clear this up rather than continue to go down this road.

Cheers,
C.

A horse "nilino" who had previously rolled sngmentors in March 2014 has paid us back in full. Thank you for making this right.

Hello 2+2, I am Andelo Bozic, owner of Vasiona staking group, and I have a problem with one of my horses that I would like to take to 2+2 for an unbiased opinion. I am not calling him a scammer or anything yet, but it looks to me as if he is trying to steal my money despite being fully aware of what is going on. To avoid subjectivity on the matter, I would like only reputable community members to post, I don’t know if I can limit it by number of posts or anything, but I really wouldn’t like to make this a thread where he will invite his friends to write and then I do the same or something like that.

So, the story goes like this. While I was traveling to Barcelona for EPT, one of my horses, whose name I am not going to reveal yet unless he wants to come out and give his version of the story, binks a $3 spin n go for 9k while playing a session for me.
Here is a screenshot as a proof that he was indeed playing a session for me https://gyazo.com/188940acab800a16c98f87ef8782d519

However, he claims that this was for his own money, even though I have been loaning him 300$ monthly in order to pay his bills and survive until he binks something, because he is in makeup for 10+ months now. He has 100% fpps, but has never played anything for that money because he needs the money obviously. We made a deal for him to buy tournament tickets for fpp and then cashout money of the tournament worth. He has been cashing out this money consistently and here is a proof of that, as well as my loans to him:
https://gyazo.com/e2f5df1ccaae101400b108ad6cfa4eb0

Just before the session yesterday, he has made a cashout of 44$, which can be witnessed here
https://gyazo.com/89c0db1224704579eebf341979f14a61
However, when I asked him for emails, he has quickly deleted email from Pokerstars confirming this transaction or didn’t screenshot it, so that he could tell that he had his own money in account, which might give him some credit in this case. Here is a proof of that
https://gyazo.com/dab03abec96c1b4b42a1eeef5bc36870

Apart from all this, in his contract it clearly states that HE HAS TO ASK before playing anything for his own money, regardless of if he had any or not, and this clearly shows that he didn’t. I talked to his previous staker about this matter and he was 100% on my side, but I guess it was too tough for him to say goodbye to 3000$ after not having made a split for so long. I told him all this, and told him to show me any kind of a proof that money can be his, but only claim he made was that he has asked me before if he could play spins, which I would obviously never allowed or otherwise I wouldn’t loan him the money if he will gamble for his money. I still told him to find a quote of this on Skype and that I will agree if he does, but he obviously had no way of finding it. In addition to this, according to sharkscope, he played spins for the first time that day, and if I in fact did allow it he would have played it earlier as well, I guess. Here is a proof of that https://gyazo.com/f9f3de88e10584b860b57d0d2819fef8
Also, here is a screenshot of his previous staker confirming that his deal stayed the same when he sold him to me
https://gyazo.com/c79f94300b1572568d85255f428c33c0

So, even though I think this is pretty clearly on my side, I still want the unbiased opinion from reputable members on the matter, so that I can show him. In case he wants to come out and defend against these facts (which he previously wasn’t able to), I don’t mind, and after that I will post all screenshots, his screen names, his ID as well as his contract, but I wouldn’t like to make it super public before he refuses to pay after being shown wrong.

On paper you are totally in the right.
But seeing as hes passed around and poor, i think if his makeup is not too high it would be wiser to split it and give him a higher cut than he should get. He's probably at the end of his rope, even a 2k~$ boost to his life roll would be life changing at this point and it would probably improve his poker.

I don't know if that is a smart idea for couple of reasons. First is that he lives in a poor country, where 400$ is enough to live. Second is that his parents have been pressuring him to quit poker for a long time now. Third is that I don't know if I should or should not work with him in the future regardless of what happens here... His makeup was 4.5k minus 1k he had in acc at the time he binked, so he would still get 2750$

The first thing to do is have him request a playing history audit and forward you the email. Check if he had money above stake funds in his account.

Did you ever say he could not play off stake? I think when you give loans that should be the very first thing said...nothing off stake until makeup is cleared and no more loans are needed.

Given he has to ask to play off stake he clearly breached your agreement. Is it outlined what happens if he breaches it?

He is 4.5k in makeup. He should not be allowed to play on his own with loaned bills money. Even if its a 1cent SNG.
2.7k is way enough. You should split and part ways.

I never said he cannot, but it does say that he cannot play for his money before asking me. He didn't have any money above stake funds in his account as he has cashed them out as soon as he had enough fpps, and has not made a deposit while playing for me.

Have you received an audit to confirm this? If he should have say $300 of stake funds and that's all he had in there and then registered a $3 spin...he's playing off stake, floating your funds, whatever you want to call it.

So he's playing off stake/floating your funds
Did not ask to play an off stake game which is outlined in your agreement
Is getting loans from you to pay his bills

Like someone above me said, on paper clearly he's in the wrong and should be giving you all of this money. In reality, if you ask for all of it, you're never going to hear from him again imo (unless he's more reasonable than I'm picturing in my head). I would tell him he can keep $1k, he needs to send you the rest and you're going to part ways (or keep him if you want if you think he's a good backee and you want to work with him). But he needs to show good faith, send back a bunch of money and proceed from there.

If he were to agree to that, I would be inclined to keep him and then tighten up our agreement. Outline what happens if the agreement is broken, state nothing is to be played off-stake in any format on any site while loans are being given.

If he does not agree to that, then you're going to be forced to cut him and post in negative feedback and just try to do the little you can to provide pressure.
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I think for those unfamiliar with staking it will seem a bit off that when someone plays a $3 game off stake and binks $9k, the staker should get the entire amount.

A few thoughts come to mind:
The backee is given let's say $300 of our cash to play specific tournaments. He then is taking our cash and doing something else with it.

If the backee had bricked the $3 tournament, what would have happened? Either the backer would have paid for it because he never would have found out...or the backee would deposit for it.

It's easy to think, well if he's going to deposit for the $3 tournament then he should keep the winnings. Well what if it was a $1k? Surely if that's the case, everyone on earth, even Dan Colman should be backed and simply "borrow" funds. That way he has more liquidity and never has to immediately risk his own money. His money can be invested in a business or the market while he uses the backers funds and simply repays when he feels like it.

The backer is in an awful position. If the backee loses, he has to just sit and hope that he gets repaid. If the backee wins, he gets nothing. It's just a ridiculous position to be in. It's basically a 0% interest loan with no recourse if it doesn't work out.....CRAZY! Some might call this a freeroll.

This is why no backer on earth (that i know of) allows floating, no matter how small the amount.

One last reason this can't be allowed is this specific backer even stated he would not stake him for spins, let alone while asking for loans. So he's now having his funds used for a game he does not want to invest in. Another human being is investing his money in a way he doesn't want it invested. There's no way to view that as okay. Just because he won, doesn't mean everything is okay and we just split the money. That gives too much incentive to float in the future when backers handle it like that.

In short I think that he should first use the 9k to clear makeup. I don't see anyway around this for him. At best he needs to compromise unless he shows a lot of proof that the entire 9k should be his.

I like to resolve these issues less so in black and white, and more so in terms of compromise with each player getting a % based on how "right" or "wrong" they are. At this point I'd say that the makeup needs to be cleared as a gesture of good faith, as you've shown the same to him with your loans while he was in makeup. Besides this, your arguments are very likely going to vastly outweigh his making you more correct anyway in this matter.



With the remaining $5,500 I think that this should be divided 50/50 unless the backee puts in some logical arguments for why he should get all of it. The reasons I think this are:



1.) he was told he can't play games on his own without prior approval which he didn't seem to have. imo he needs to prove that he had prior approval to play this spin and go or at least prove that he did not need prior approval.

2.) he cashed out money ($44) before playing. unless he can prove this untrue, which shouldnt be difficult if it is untrue, he certainly wasn't playing with his 'own money' because he already cashed his money out. This, to me, is strong evidence that he was not planning to pay for his losses from his own pocket if he had lost the spin and go.

3.) you were doing him a favor by lending him money. he supposedly needed this money to live off of. even if he didnt have any bills at the time of cashing in his fpps, that money was not his to play poker with under stake unless it was explicitly stated that he could. this should have never happened and imo, no backer should allow their horses go 'gamble' with their life roll while being staked when they are in need of borrowing money from the backer.

In my experience in similar matters, backees justify things based on what they thought was true in their head, and when they see money to be kept, they can justify a lot of things that are only partial truths. but this often contradicts the general truth of the matter. I believe that he thinks its all of his money because at some point he was under the impression he could play spin and goes on his own or whatever. But even if this is true, he made a clear mistake by not asking to play on his own money before playing it and by not depositing his money before playing it. Players CAN NOT do this because it puts far too much pressure on the backer to constantly be monitoring every sit they play and make sure they know what they have a piece of and what they do not. If he bricked the $3 would he have deposited 3$ or not? There is no way of knowing unless he can show that in the past he played games on his own and deposited AFTER losing. That would help his argument.

So even if the backee does think this is 100% his money, he should take a step back and actually consider that there is close to 0 chance that its 100% his. at least he has to compromise as it appears he's only half right AT BEST.

without hearing his side of the story, I'd say makeup should be cleared and the rest divided up 50/50. but I could see some documentation making me lean toward makeup being paid and 80/20 his favor with the remaining $5500 (this is a sort of 'punishment' for breaking protocol). But until i see that proof, I'm under the impression that the backer is 100% in the right.

the backee should submit proof of the following imo if he wants more than the standard share of money here (makeup cleared, and 50/50 divided of the remaining profit)

1.) proof that he could play spin and goes on his own
2.) proof that he did not withdraw $44 BEFORE playing the spin and go
3.) proof that he would have deposited if he lost the $3
4.) proof that he already deposited before playing the spin and go
5.) proof that he did not need prior approval to play the spin and go
6.) proof that he had prior approval to play the spin and go.

Thanks everyone for their answer. I really hope he comes and defends himself here, otherwise this is all pretty clear to me. I am not gonna claim more than my share of 50%. If he comes out I will provide all other information needed or if he doesnt send the money. I really hope we can make this right as I really think he is a good guy who just didnt get any money for a long time and decided to take a shot at pulling out something like this without think it over much.

I can get on board with this.

Pretty silly whatever mod moved all the fiktenasch stuff and didn't leave a link in here or the first post I made. When someone searches his name in this thread, the last thing that comes up is us saying "this is being resolved". That's really poor.

I did not receive a PM nor does it say who moved it all, so I cannot send a PM to said mod.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...issue-1555424/

Stars: Fiktenasch
Name: Konstantin
Owes us money -- everything in link above.

Hello, here is one more post about Joao Martins - scammer
Pokerstars: flyingguru
888: flyingguru, undermyb8lly
FTP: flyingguru

Name: Joao Martins
from Portugal but lives in Newcastle in UK.
Skype: flyingguru
Phone number: +44 7437808171
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698275615

emails: 1flyingguru@gmail.com
skrill: 1flyingguru@gmail.com


He accepted our test deal for 2 months. We've sent him 1500$ in total. He played several sessions, lost money, asked for refill and after checking we found that he played HU on 888 that are clearly out of our agreed schedule and our contract terms. When he was asked about that situation he refused to send HHs, screenshots of transactions and said that he plays there on his own money(received from friend). - this is also a violation of the contract.
But we have proposed a solution for him: he need to provide us his HHs for the period that he played with us, agree not to violate our contract further and play only agreed schedule.
After that he dissapeared and doesn't respond from 13 of August.

So total sum that he owes us is 1500$.

So dissapointing that we face such players.

Jenny Kang if you want to make a payment contact me here using private message (PM) as my contact number has changed.

This guy continues applying for stakes, and tryed to get a backer outside 2+2.

We didnt stake him, cause we saw the negative feedback here, but we have the copy of his ID, his photo with the ID, adress and phone number in UK.

Possible the identification of the place were he normaly go in newcastle, with his friends.

If this information could be useful for someone who was scammed for him, just PM me.

Chris Gillott

Christopher Kenneth Gillott from Newcastle Upon Tyne
email jacka1985@hotmail.co.uk

Pokerstars C_Gillott1
Full Tilt c_gillott1
Party Poker c_gillott1
iPoker c_gillott1 and TheMacheen
888 c_gillott2
Pokerstars.fr c_gillott2
Winamax c_gillott1

2nd 2p2 account: ActionJackstion http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/416102/



We started staking Chris in December 2012. In April 2014 Chris was in deep makeup and began to systematically steal funds at the end of each month and cover it up in the audits he sent to us.

The amount stolen was around $10,000. Chris vowed to repay the money (both in private communication and in posts on 2+2) but a year later has not made any repayments or attempts to work out repayments and has broken off all communication.

yeah hes playing now fwiw

Hello,
I apologize for my delayed response.
I'm the player about who woohoo32 wrote few posts ago.

First of all would like to say that i have no intention of scamming or claiming any founds as mine that don't belong to me. As in this situation this looks for woohoo that i have got greedy for the $ considering my situation. But this definitely isn't the case. Previously have been in even worse situation, when i binked over 10k from what i gave away a bit more than 70%.

Reading trough found most suitable to answer to questions that rivers wrote.

About withdrawing funds. I did make a cash out that day, but i had remaining fpps in my account, that was covering anything that i was playing. Considering my situation i cant make any deposits of course. So i was only using money that i already have but isn't just changed. Haven't floated a dime ever. How could you even do that, staker can ask you for audit or smhg at any time. Would never abuse other peoples money as it just isn't mine especially woohoos, who was helping me a lot. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

As for playing games out of stake. Have never played any mtt's or regular sng's out of stake before asking. My contract was transferred from my former staker without any changes. I was allowed to use my bonuses and fpps money as i wanted and was able to go for any kind of bonuses for my own. I had played spin&go's and cash games before several times. Played them only when there were any kind of promotions for cash or spin&go games, as they weren't in my deal and were only for bonuses, i asked and was allowed to play on my own bonus money.

Point number 1 you made is that you had fpps to cover. Maybe yes but you cannot play spins for fpps. Even if you could I wouldnt let you because of the loan. You said you asked to play but you never did, either me or Stakejack. If you in fact did then you were freerolling which was point made by a previous poster itt.
You can use fpps however you want, but cannot play anything for them before asking me. I would not allow this with your situation or would stop loaning you money, because what is the point of loan if you gamble your money and dont pay me back? This changes things a lot so even if you did play for your money before it doesnt make a difference. Also, your previous backer clearly stated that he never allowed you spins and I have never done it as well. You lied that one of us did and when we asked for a proof you couldnt find it. Your previous staker was 100% on my side when represented the facts.
Thanks for coming out to defend yourself. I really dont think you would steal my money too, you are just delusional about facts represented to you. So please post proofs, screenshots, emails or anything that can prove that I have lied, otherwise this is clear to me.