thats good work /\ i dont understand why some people try to hide things etc when selling threads as the mre you try to hide things the more dodgy it looks!! , I think when its the case like this the mods should automaticaly close the thread down!! and i dont think anyone should beable to sell unless they have a link to their opr and or sharkscope with both being unlocked and avialble to view, no matter how good or bad they are and then its up to the buyer to decide weather to buy or not instead of the selling just saying i crush these fields etc i had a big win in these fields so please ship all the money to my account!

Stake mentors/germanystakers

just tried to scam me added me to skype and offered me a deal i couldnt say no to
then tried to get me to send them an app with $200 paysafe card
etc
dont add them or him he is a fkn scam artist and a sly dog teamveiwer and took over my whole computer was rubbish anyways just warning you all

looks like this is related to the warning in this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2775

mods im new here and i do not know whether this is ok to go here or not , please move to correct forum if needs be .

stars alias :-PizzicatoXev , could be his name on here as well or something very similar (unsure) , posts mainly in the staking problems forums outing others and earning trust before putting his plan to work and scamming 2K .

was currently 16 tabling 180mans on stars about an hour or so ago so im guessing he still might be there with 2k stolen from pokermob forum members , not sure if im allowed to put link to thread(s) so you will just have to google pokermob and go to forums .

you can find all details here from the members that have been stolen from

http://pokermob.com/poker-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77

worst thing about all this is the fact he has been condemning others for years on here and hendon mob for bad staking and it would appear it was just a cover to do a big hit himself .

PizzicatoXev , do not trust this man !!!

PizzicatoXev on pokerstars

staked £2000 by forum members at pokermob.com to play UKIPT nottingham and stole the money

http://pokermob.com/poker-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77

do not trust this player !!!!

basic cliffs from thread on pokermob

got £2000 stake to play UKIPT nottingham highroller

stole the money for personal reasons

still playing poker on stars

payed back nothing

not got those details yet but i will be working on it i assure you , im sure some hendon mob members must know him personally but its whether they will out him or not , cant see there patience lasting much longer , he is taking the pi$$ saying he is grinding micro sitngos with £2000 of stolen money .

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/pizzicatoxev/

https://twitter.com/PizzicatoXev

http://forum.parttimepoker.com/membe...icato_xev.html (see infractions) takes you to forum thread .

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/205893/

Just had a read of the thread, the guy says he gave up his job to grind out $2.50 180 man sit n go's to make the money back?! Bad move. What's his name in real life?

Also, do you know what job he had before he quit? Didn't work at an airport by any chance?

Where have I heard this before? Something about a carport...seaport..airport?

dont know mate but if you find out more please add it here and to the pokermob thread as that is where he has done his stealing from and im sure the backers will appreciate any help of information , at least me have his real name now ... David Montague

You know what city he is from?

nottingham UK

Not sure what I can post here that I havn't already posted over on the pokermob forum

My backers all have my details and if any of them requires any more information all they have to do is ask via one of the many channels open to them.

This was not an intentional scam and I fully intend to payback as soon as possible.

I would like to correct the misinformation that I quit my job after this all happened, I actually quit it before any of these events happened. Secondly I am being staked for the games I am playing now and my current (and previous backer who has generously allowed me to suspend my stake with him while I work this out) has full knowledge of all these events.

you are the worst kind of scammer there is pizzi , you have played judge , jury and executioner for years on hendon mob forum viciously attacking players that have made minor mistakes and outing them publicly oll over the internet , my friend was one of those people you destroyed with your sick twisted posts when all he did was play some cash games when he was suppose to be playing MTTs and lost $150 or something similar and as a result had his family and friends publicly humiliated across social media sites , you steal £2000 for your own gain and you expect sympathy , you make me sick .

as for the fact you are still playing poker quite freely and openly across 16-20 tables everyday on pokerstars is a disgrace , its about time people see you for what you are , your everyone's friend when your on top winning but when that heater you was on suddenly went on a downward spiral you rob all that trusted you of £2000 because you know you could .

you deserve all these forum posts and i intend on getting more out there as well , now its your turn to feel the humiliation you have put on others for years !!

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Grinding microstakes 180s seems like a legit plan to pay back £2k.......not.

Stop being a moron and go down your local job centre and claim benefit of some kind and use that to pay your backers back if you're determined not to get a job. No idea what it's worth these days but if it's £50 per week you'll have your backers paid off within a few months. If you upswing/move up during that time then it will help.

As for that pokermob thread is that guy jack a complete ****** or what? He might aswell have scam me tattooed on his forehead smh.

haha yes the jackstar guy is comedy gold , he has just opened another thread on the site offering to pay people the money owed by pizzicato WTF !! , what a dumba$$ , i bet pizzicato must be licking his lips at setting this guy up to take him for a load of $$$$ in the near future lol

Joshua Luty. Forgot to post that so it comes up in search.

Name: Matthew White, Matt White

Stars: tiltn_mafks

http://matthewwhiteisathief.com/

is there a backers negative feedback thread? where horses can out backers? seems obligatory after seeing some of the things i ve seen.

not necessarily to say backers are scammers or anything, but there is some very sour conduct on behalf of backers and i believe the ethics and guidelines of "staking" should be outlined somewhat as these agreements have 2 parties involved and i think in certain instances the horse should have a chance to defend themselves before their name is slandered all over the internet.

Agreed!!!

You can use this thread to provide negative feedback on anyone, backers included.

i hate to say but the horse is fighting an uphill battle here as many backers etc communicate and after outing a backer that horse may never have the opportunity to be staked again. wrongfully treated or not.

essentially asking an employee of a firm to bash their manager via a public forum that all can view. thus hampering the employment agreement as well as those in the future.

however, i have made a personal decision to never be backed again due to a few awful happenings where i have literally seen innocent lives destroyed. horses are constantly taken advantage of by backers and put into scenarios that break contract rules or else threats of their families being contacted, websites created about them etc... in my opinion slandering and posting of a horse's personal information is only acceptable if the horse cashes money out of the bankroll aka stealing outright of a considerable amount with extensive proof.

in most cases this is 1) illegal
2) morally and ethically incorrect
3) unjustified
especially when this can have severe consequences on a perhaps innocent horse obtaining jobs in the future. (as most employers run a google search of their name upon interviewing them).

this is only one instance of some of the grotesque things i have seen with staking and would like to advise horses to be very wary of what information they choose to expose, what contracts they sign, and the reputation of backers they choose.

thus being said there will always be some rotten apples in the orchard and i have had many pleasant experiences with staking and have had backers that i have done business with no issues whatsoever.i would be happy to talk about these as well.

i am not writing this with the purpose of roasting staking operations but more to create some guidelines to help protect future and current horses from some of the pitfalls of being backed.

I'll take the other side of this argument.

First off, I think we should change how we view backee/backer relationships. It is a partnership, not employer/employee. The backee does not get a wage, is not guaranteed anything, and gets a 50% cut in most instances which is far more than any employee would get.

In a business partnership, it's not uncommon for someone(s) to put up most of the capital and another someone(s) to provide programming, consulting, managerial positions in exchange for equity. I view staking as a two-way business. We provide you money, coaching, players and resources to improve, and you in turn run the other part of the business, the most important part, the actual playing.

All of these examples of the poor backee who was screwed by his backer are ridiculous in most cases. Most.

I'll cite our most recent backee we put up a website for which I would guess is eliciting this conversation, perhaps not on its own, but perhaps as a final straw that started this discussion.

We have given this backee money to play with. We've given him encouragement, resources, videos, webinars, and our time. In the past 15 days he has continued to play online poker with our money on 6 different occasions. He has not reported his bankroll to us nor will respond to our messages, emails, forum posts, or facebook messages.

Has this guy directly cashed out money of ours? We don't know, we can't get an audit from him. But the above argument you're making is saying he hasn't stolen. I disagree. He has stolen money just as much as any person who physically withdrew money. He is playing poker with our money, is on the internet, and we cannot get in touch with him.

This is also our third incident with this player with him being relaxed with updating, though the other two were only a few days.

I believe due diligence needs to be made before putting up a website and information of someone, but in a partnership where one side puts up money and the other puts up their reputation, the reputation is the collateral that gets seized.

I'd also like as an aside, for some suggestions as to how to handle this situation if we feel posting on 2p2 and a website is unacceptable. How do we handle someone who is online, playing day in and day out, and will not respond to emails, facebook messsages, skype messages, and forum posts...and it's been over 2 weeks?

I'd also like to add that a contract is advisable. In all of our contracts we have the following term:

25. Should Company be forced to cut Player due to a breach of this agreement, all makeup and starting bankroll is still owed to the company. Should these not be paid, a roller site similar to www.nicolamarianisathief.com will be created.

All of our backees know what they are getting themselves into and what is expected.

I think I agree with both you. I would imagine it would be hard to out a backer and be able to get staked again, and would imagine a lot of horses or at least a percentage are treated unfair and ya it would suck, but when someone who needs to be staked needs that backers money is going to have to deal with the situations they are put in. I think contracts are the main thing that you have to look at here.

Ex, Alex's and pocarr's (I was staked there also cutt after a year and a half or something so not just instantly taking his side) but you are told that "25. Should Company be forced to cut Player due to a breach of this agreement, all makeup and starting bankroll is still owed to the company. Should these not be paid, a roller site similar to www.nicolamarianisathief.com will be created." Therefor even if its just playing games out of the buyins your allowed its stealing money.

I do however agree with walmartcnxn that "threats of their families being contacted, websites created about them etc" I think its hard to find the right time to do these things, and if its always the right thing to do. I think that it should have to be in the contract to make a site, and that families should never be contacted unless very rarely under the right circumstances.

So again I say that I think most of the stuff that happens relies on the contract that the backer makes and the horse SIGNS and AGREES too.

Also maybe backers put in the contract a time frame, that if money is stolen or something like "25. Should Company be forced to cut Player due to a breach of this agreement, all makeup and starting bankroll is still owed to the company. Should these not be paid, a roller site similar to www.nicolamarianisathief.com will be created." the backer should put something in the contract saying if funds (or partial funds with an agreement and time frame of when they will be paid) are not received Then family may be contacted to get a hold of you or a site etc

ps. posted while half asleep hope this makes sense, gl walmart and alex.

Wow to me this represents exactly how negatively some stables treat their players and their own reputation.

I have no axe to grind with any backer and have generally only had good experiences in staking relationships I have entered into.

However I am constantly surprised that people feel that they can write clauses into a contract and that somehow makes it legally binding or even morally justifiable

With this clause an unethical backer could freeroll pretty much any stakee who had made even the most innocent of mistakes. You do realise that this clause and for that matter most backing contracts are not legally binding?

The other area I think backers can be unreasonable about are tieing players into lengthy contracts without providing coaching or support.

I also agree it would be good to have both more positive and negative feedback about backers out there it would make for interesting reading.