No problem, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was mocking them. I was just curious. And of course I agree this thread is very important and that scammers should be outed. That goes without saying.

The commonness of their horses' appearance in this thread is just a little curious to me.

Hope all is well Aaron.

I don't disagree but come on. Recruiting people in to your stable who scam for $50 is embarrassing. Once maybe not but it seems to be a regular occurrence. Far as im aware this thread is for people with transaction feedback and disputes on 2+2. Its not for a mass volume stable with no regard for quality to spam 50 posts of people owing $50 is it?

Guess they do deserve some credit for posting about all these $50 rolls. I would be too embarrassed at my lack of judgement to keep making these posts.

But each 'spam' post is feedback/dispute. You're not suggesting that there needs to be a certain amount stolen in order to justify a negative feedback post, right?

I'm guessing you're more annoyed that Pocarr posts so frequently, but I think (?) they're the largest group and have some of the most lax standards for accepting applicants, so that combination will obviously lead to more rolls. But that mild annoyance seems like a small price to pay if their posts can help prevent other groups/backers from getting scammed.

U shove i call and MRW90 merely giving some advice to Pocarr that their process for accepting horses clearly has some flaws with the high volume of negative feedback posts of their horses ITT.

In the staking world, accepting any horse with winning stats and no scam history, then having them sign and agree to a 12-18 month contract with volume and study requirements along with many other rules to follow is going to lead to a lot of horses quitting/stealing. When the process and rules of the stake itself are rigorous, it makes no sense at all for the acceptance process to be lenient.

Name: Leonardo Sganzerla de Carvalho
Stars: leobuc
Party: leobuc84

Said he would not be able to fulfill our volume or study requirements and so we asked for a repayment plan. He then said he would meet the requirements and said he'd like to continue (July).

He agreed on 300 scheduled MTTs per month and played 101 in August.

We decided to part ways and asked for a repayment plan of makeup.

Leo owes us $1195

Name: Felipe de Souza Torres
Stars: smallzinn
888: smallzinn

Missed our volume milestones for July. He said he would hit them in August.
In August, Felipe played 112 games over 6 playing days.

We chose to part ways with Felipe, asked he return the Pocarr cash he holds and set up a repayment plan for makeup. He has not sent the cash and refuses to set up a repayment plan.

Felipe owes us $608.76

Pokerstars Screenname: juancors17
Real name: Juan Cordoba
Email: juancors17@gmail.com
Skype: juancors17
Country: Colombia
Owing : $3,000 roll + $700 MU = $3.7k

Juan went missing with the roll when stars banned Colombians.

Pokerstars Screenname: BugsBunnyBro / Somblafnul10
Real name: Daniel Smrcek
Skype: somblafnul
Country: Czech (now UK)
Owing : $1.2k roll + $5.5k MU

Daniel went missing with the roll. Been deep in MU for sometime. We have tried to sort it out over skype but is just ignoring messages now.

just a question on this
He agreed on 300 scheduled MTTs per month and played 101 in August. did you ask if he had a valid reason was a family member ill or w/e or did you not even ask and just being overly pedantic ?

Also owes me a small amount that I loaned him which he promised to repay by July 1st. Last contact was on June 7th and haven't heard from him ever since.

Pokerstars Screenname: Thalampro
Real Name: Thanos Lampropoulos
Skype: live:thalampro

Throughout his time with us, he played games he was not allowed to on several occasions. Also, on many occasions he was playing on a side account of a friends (GreekMenace7), rather than playing games under his stake that he was in makeup in.

After approximately 2 months with us, we found that he had been cashing out/stealing staking funds, ($3,300~). He had done this over a few week period. He only told us when he needed a reload at a time when his account very obviously shouldn't have been out of funds. During the time he was cashing out our funds, "Because he needed money for bills", he was playing on a friends account and playing both MTTs and casino games.

At that point, we told him that we had to check in with him daily to keep an eye on his accounts, and to make sure nothing else shady was happening. He asked if he would be able to still do small cashouts as he would need money for bills. We have an EV cashout program where if players produce EV, even if they don't have profit, we let them cash out some funds. We told him that if he put in a certain amount of hours, we'd allow him to still do so. After the first week, his hours were short of the agreed upon number, and more importantly, he was quite a ways off from the minimum EV requirement. We told him that based on those two numbers, we wouldn't allow him to do a profit split at that time (He was still almost $10,000 in makeup).

He became very upset and said he needed "a day to think about it." The next day, he emailed us a list of demands "for him to proceed". They were "non negotiable, take it or leave it". Also, if we declined, he'd pay us back the $11,000+ he now owed us, "probably with some monthly payments". He told us that he didn't have a choice to steal our money, "he didn't have money for bills." We pointed out that while he was stealing our money at this time due to bill money, it was only a couple of weeks ago he had done the same thing *and* had been playing Casino games at the same time.

He also had an issue with a previous backer where he owed them money for playing games he wasn't supposed to with staking money. He didn't tell us about this until after he had started with us.

It's very obvious that he can't be trusted and should be avoided.

Pokerstars Screenname: okim23
Real name: David Miko
Email: d.miko@sezam.cz
Skype: elwood140
Country: Slovakia
Owing : $4.4k MU + $210 roll dump total = $4,610.00

David randomly set his Pokerstars account to hidden from search and played 12 HU hypers (off-stake games) with andrejzeman (same country, guessing close friend), losing 11 of them.

David also introduced us to Jan Seges (Segitooth) who we took on last week. Sent $400 via Skrill and has now said he can only deposit $136 on Stars. Has yet to send us ID or show proof all $400 has gone on Stars. If this is a red herring then will update later but seems too coincidental given the above.

David is now dropped from our stable, and owes the amount above.

okim23 : Guy i now this was a mistake. The reason why i do this one was bcs my friend own money over $2k and wann those money back. I try give him $210 for reason play with him 2.5 and small MTT and get money back. Iam no a thief and not bad guy. I when i tranfer those 210 i have 60 chests so those 210 should be on chcest. Ian not bad guy and dont wanna stole money. This mistake is bad rly sorry for that dont thonking to much when i do this. But iam only human and human make mistake. San i will you mone back

He missed the volume we agreed on in July. He then missed it again in August due to playing live poker (not for us).

We require every Pocarr Latina player to send us a webcam video stating they have read through the Portuguese Agreement, understand all terms, and have asked us for clarity with any term they do not understand. They also state they understand this is not a get-rich-quick-scheme and we are more demanding than most stables. We receive this before we send any initial funds.

This was put into place after this forum said we were exploiting people just wanting a stake. This isn't perfect, but it should help people know exactly what they are signing up for. We've been doing this for roughly one year.

$26.27 received. Felipe owes us $582.49.

We ended up giving Luiz a second chance and we have had issues again. Audit is off, sharkscope is blocked now.

If any backers are reading this, we're something like 2/10 with taking people back and giving a second chance and it working out. We're going to stop giving second chances effective immediately.

We gave Denildson a second chance and he has stolen our money. We gave him a loan after his house was allegedly robbed (he showed us insurance paperwork, passport of his wife to match the claim) roughly one month ago.

After deciding this was not working out we chose to part ways. We asked Denildson simply to return the Pocarr funds he held and to repay us the loan we gave him when the insurance money comes through. He has not responded, has not sent the cash he holds that is ours, and presumably will not send us the loan money we gave him when insurance comes through--though we will update if that ever happens.

Gavrila Gabriel (moaka93) outright stole over 40,000 US Dollars of stake money right after a couple big scores when he was in 50k makeup. The full story and his photos are posted on a website we made for him http://gavrilagabriel.com

Here's a screenshot of our last conversation where we asked him for an audit because of his delay in returning our 40k bankroll. He didn't respond and soon after removed us from Skype and kept the 40k bankroll for himself
https://imgur.com/a/4LxrA

He is still grinding on stars regularly but we hope no other staker crosses paths with this thief
Name: Gavrila Gabriel Viorel
Pokerstars: moaka93
PokerStars.fr: moaka1993
888 Poker: moakaa
Winning Poker Network (America’s CardRoom): makao
iPoker: mokanu93
Winamax.fr as moaka93.
Skype ID gavrila.gabriel3
Email address kiddpokerr@yahoo.com
DOB 10/15/1993
Mobile: +40 0749705780
Pocketfives: moaka1993
Lives in Bucharest Romania but has lived at two previous locations in Romania:
1. Sat vultureni (com.ciresu) oras Braila str.independentei nr.47, Braila
2. STR 1 DECEMBRIE 1918 BLOC S9E SCARA1 ap29. cod postal 800258 Galati

Nash-Chenoa dispute moved here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...spute-1689957/

Kind of sad to post this, I really liked the kid for a long time, but he has just done a runner it seems. I would love for it to be resolved and very happy to remove this post, dont want to post his passport etc, just think I have to post incase somebody else gets scammed, I'm not saying he is 100% a scammer or anything like that, but it does not look good.

Pokerstars name: 4better
Real name: Arjun Pasricha
Email: ajpasricha@gmail.com
Skype: arjun.pasricha
Country: India
Owed to bitB: $20,614 make-up

Arjun has broken the terms of his contract with bitB multiple times in the period he’s been in the team. We ask players if they ever misreg an MTT that isn’t in their schedule to tell us immediately and we resolve the matter with the player often just allowing it to go on stake as everybody can make a simple error and they shouldn't be punished for innocent one off errors, he has played games outside of his schedule on numerous occasions and gave this excuse for doing so but never informed us, instead we had to find out via investigating through Sharkscope. He has also been asked to send audit files, which we ask of all players, many times and he has yet to send the files, this has been ongoing for 2-3 months now, albeit he had a spell when he was on holiday.

We messaged him on the 7th September about once again playing off stake games, he gave us an excuse that made no sense related to his schedule as he was aware that changes had been made. We looked to resolve this matter with him but he didn’t reply for three days, then comes online to ask why he hadn’t been sent money to play which was bizarre when we had this matter to deal with and he’d chose to ignore it. We asked him to send audit files once he finished his session on the 10th September, he informed us he would do it after he finished his session, since then we’ve tried numerous ways to contact him and he’s had no communication with us at all. We of course are now concerned at why he seems to refuse to send us the audit files, and it’s stipulated in his contract that he needs to send these at our request.

So as well as hopefully prompting Arjun to resolve this matter we also wanted to let the community know that we have this ongoing issue with him.

It is now 25th of September, here is an honest view of our chat logs since September 7th. We allowed players in the stable to enjoy the biggest series of the year and play some games off stakes and gamble themselves, the only clear rule was they should do it before the series starts and post a picture, reasonable request when you think about the admin for 80 or so players. Whenever you see @4better, its just our way of notifications on discord which makes it "pop up"


mondonewc - 09/10/2017
Hey, don't register any more comps plz, as we asked on Thursday, I'll msg you later tnite
@4better
4better - 09/10/2017
not even the small ones?
mondonewc - 09/10/2017
no, please make yourself available online @FelixD will msg you when he's free to discuss the above matter further
FelixD - 09/10/2017
Hey can you asap request the Stars auditFile since you started the staking Agreement and Screenshots of all other Transfers and Cash Outs of all the Sites you play for us. Request the Transaction and Cashout History via Mail and ask them to send the response to bitbmanagement@gmail.com aswell please cc me in those Support emails.

Until we cleared these things we are not going to continue to provide you with Funds and you were already asked to stop playing. So please comply with the requests asap.

If you don’t know how to get these Files you can pm Ray he can show you via Teamviewer.
4better - 09/10/2017
ok iwll do after session
playing 530 as one of my own
(send picture of deposit)

Patrick - 09/10/2017
all off stake games had to bve deposited for over 1 weeka go
its really sad that you never listen to us, because you actually had a great potential and we really wanted you to do great

September 11, 2017

mondonewc - 09/11/2017
Hey @4better

you finished playing ?
mondonewc - 09/11/2017
@4better

Please contact me/felix when your online, it's really unprofessional how you are handling this matter, msg us asap, thanks
Patrick - 09/11/2017
@4better

September 14, 2017
mondonewc - 09/14/2017
@4better Sent you multiple emails, msgd you on Skype plus the messages above, you need to address this matter urgently

Patrick - 09/14/2017
@4better
September 15, 2017

Patrick - 09/15/2017
what the hell is going on, this is beyond ridiculous now.

mondonewc - 09/15/2017
@4better

We've tried numerous times now to communicate with you and you seem unwilling to reply. If you don't message us back and clear up what is going on here within the next 48 hours we will be forced to post on 2+2, Facebook, and other platforms, that you refuse to send audit files despite numerous requests and you owe bitB the full make up, this will also force us to be transparent with the wider poker community on whatever circumstances that have occured. If there any issues you need to maks us aware of we can look to sort this with you. Please contact us today and resolve this matter!
September 16, 2017

Patrick - 09/16/2017
WHAT IS GOING ON @4better ????????????????
September 18, 2017

Patrick - 09/18/2017
?????
Please respond

mondonewc - 09/18/2017
You mentioned above "wont be able to grind from 13th-17th" so we are hoping that you haven't had access to the internet for the last four days. Quite clearly you should've resolved this between Sunday-13th as you said you would knowing that was the case instead of us hearing nothing from you for over a week now. If we don't recieve any communication with you by the end of tmoro we will be forced to post on 2+2 etc.

@4better

Pokerstars Screenname: segitooth / iamtoothless
Real name: Jan Seges
Email: windows3133@seznam.cz (red flag!)
Skype: live:windows3133 (red flag!)
Country: Czech Republic
Owing : $400

Introduced to us by David Miko (okim23) and has disappeared with our initial $400 roll. Most probably friends with David and andrejzeman and an extra way to extract some of our roll into their accounts. - see post 4229

I know king and the other staker very well personally and 100% believe their version of events and vouch for their trustworthiness. It is absolute nonsense to blame the stakers here - obviously they could have handled this better but at the end of the day they were simply naive and trusted someone who is obviously scamming and 100% in the wrong. Definitely do not deal with this person. This victim blaming is just a joke though, whether the stakers were good at their job or not is irrelevant to how much of a scam this is.

I'm sure there will be updates if he repays.

Name: Joao Diogo Mendes Barbosa
Pokerstars - 2xjb
Partypoker - the2xjb
888 - 2xjb888
Stars.pt - Monkeydvinci

Country - Portugal Citizen but living in UK
Email - barbosajoaodiogo@gmail.com
Skype - 2xjb

https://joaobarbosathief.wordpress.com/

Amount owed: $5,608.95 MU and $2,485.64 in accounts = $8,094.59 total stolen


A fairly worrysome stake from the start - Joao left us in $5,608.95 MU because of family issues back home in Portugal. We had zero issue with that and encouraged him to get home and take care of things. After some time back home he decided he wanted to play again. So, we loaded his Pokerstars.pt account, Skrill, and other poker accounts with $2485.64 so he could get back in the swing of things. Seeing as he put in nearly zero volume, we were constantly given excuses when asking for screenshots, and there was a general feeling something was wrong. We’ve constantly tried to communicate over the past 6 months and have been given a laundry list of excuses as to why he can’t send funds or provide screenshots. He is not to be trusted at this point. We’ll be making a website with all of the above information so that people know he’s a thief. Joao (or any contacts in the Portugal community that may know him), please get in contact with us and make things right.

Name: Victor tolgyesi Mussi
Stars: VitaoMTD
888: vitaomtd
Party: vitaomtd

Victor continually missed our study and volume agreements. After many chances we finally decided to part ways and agreed on a repayment plan.

He made 3 successful repayment plans (one in July, August, September) and missed this month's. We messaged him on Skype, via Email, and Facebook and have received zero responses.

He is continuing to play online poker daily and at this point must be choosing to ignore our messages.

Victor owes us $616.72

Name: Daniel Miraki
Stars: Olempia

Dan could not meet our volume or study requirements while finishing up school.

Dan had not played for weeks, was not using our resources, and played an off-stake MTT which is not permitted under our agreement.

We had a phone call and agreed to part ways with him owing us $0 in makeup and only needing to return the $100 he had in his account to us (our money).

It has now been 3 weeks since we had this phone call and Dan has had many excuses. It has been 8 weeks since he last played an on-stake MTT for us.

At this point we're still waiting to receive our money back, the off-stake $44 played (his last game played) looks sketchy (possibly used our funds), and it's time to post that we cannot suggest backing this individual in the future.