Hi,

The problem my friend it is not to make you understand what happened but to complain about these guys who still refer to me as a THIEF, even though I have repaid them in full.

In addition, despite the fact that I was registered in many tournaments I took the risk on my shoulders and repaid them in full.

I think it is just UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and it does make sense!!

they say that they told you to stop. playing and to send the money back and you saw the message on saturday ,took offence and refused. you say that you got the message on sunday. they said that they would post the chat logs and then you said that you would repay them the money.
You have now said that after you cooled down that you said in skype that they could have their money back. I seem to remember a post that you made that appears to be deleted/edited where you attacked them, disputed what had happened and said that you didn't owe them.
Someone so concerned about his honesty and reputation would obviously return any stake money to settle up a stake when backers requested it. Should your backers post a screenshot of the chat logs where you refused to return the money on saturday as that would appear to lie at the heart of this matter.
If you knew that they wanted to pause the deal and have the money returned and refused on saturday and then claim that you only found out on sunday then your honesty is shot to pieces and if you continued to play then you were effectively stealing any funds lost. if the chat logs confirm your claim that you didn't know on the saturday then your honesty is confirmed and your integrity is vindicated.

subbed

We staked leglessdog about 2 years ago. Similar thing happened where he fell out of contact and we had to chase him down for the money. We eventually got it back but it was an annoying process.

Sir, imho, you do not owe make up. When a backer drops YOU, you are exempt from make up. That's my opinion as a stakee since 2009, my backers dropped me twice in those 4 years because of pure long downswings, but they completely excepted the make up on them. I made it all back of course when they took me back I don't mean to piss off your backers with my post I just thought i would give you all my own 3 cents as a stakee. GL

anything about you should be removed as you have paid back what you owed
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if posts of this type are not removed others may not be inclined to pay back if they think the posts about them will remain on the forum.

meh, think it should stay


he messed up and it needs to be known. now everyone knows he repaid so its all ok.


def shouldnt be taken down

Real Name: Rudolfs Veide
Email: rudolfs.veide@gmail.com
Skype: tuncis13
Date of Birth: 05/19/1994
Country: Latvia
City: Riga
Online Nicknames: Eksperts_4 on pokerstars and most likly eksperts26 on full tilt poker

Left my stable with around $2500 + Bankroll in makeup.
We tried to sell him to a different stable and he deleted the staking team managers from skype.

Never heard from him ever since.
While grinding on FTP discovered "eksperts26" from latvia, most likly his account.

DO NOT STAKE!

Name: André Câmara
Country: Brazil
Screenname: Yokiro @ pokerstars
Email: andreluiscamara@gmail.com
2+2 Handle:
MaisEV Profile: http://www.maisev.com/forum/members/yokiro.html
Skype: andreluiscamara_ce
Twitter: https://twitter.com/andrecamara_ce


Situation:
We staked this player starting on July 28th to play reg speed 180mans and MTTs <$15, $400 BR to start. The stake went fine for the first three weeks (including a $400 reload on 8/12), but then we noticed that $100 of stake funds were cashed out.

When asked about this transfer, the player claimed it was a one time loan (expressly forbidden in his contract) that would be paid back. He did make two deposits via PokerStarsPay totalling $100. The second one – for the amount of $39.47 – was declined.

The player then dropped out of contact from Aug 26th to Sept 9th despite numerous attempt to contact him through multiple channels.

This is the player's email from Sept 9th:
Again, numerous attempts to follow up with the player and arrange the transfer of stake funds back to us were unsuccesful.

This morning, Sept 24th, we received this message:
(Translated from Portuguese-English with Google Translate. Original text available upon request.)
It's safe to say that our funds cease to be. The player claims to have intentions to pay us back, but we are not holding our breaths. Also if you want to set a line on repayment, we've got the under.


Cliffs:
Do not stake. Do not trust.


As always, we will update this post if the circumstances change.

Cheers,
RA

Name: Sean Byrd
Country: United Kingdom
Screenname: raisefold88 @ pokerstars, upppps89
Email: byrd89@hotmail.co.uk
2+2 Handle: raisefold88
PTP Profile
SNG Mentors Profile
Skype: byrdflu1

Situation:
We staked this player $200 on February 15th, 2013 to play $2.50 180man SNGs. The stake went fine for 5 months+, with the player moving up to play 3r 180s and receiving BR reloads up to $1000 at its highest level.

On August 2nd, we received word that Pokerstars had closed the player's account. Apparently the 'raisefold88' account was under a different name than the player, while the player was withdrawing to his own Moneybookers account-- a clear breach of Pokerstars TOS. Stars confiscated the balance of the account (~$550).

The above situation does not warrant Negative Feedback on its own-- it's partially our fault for not verifying the Stars account was not under the player's name-- but is a good primer for Act II.

After deliberation, we decided to give the player a 2nd chance on Full Tilt Poker. We had assurance from Stars that his actions would not affect the standing of HIS personal account on FTP.

We loaded the player a $200 BR on Aug 15th and a $200 reload on Aug 23rd.

We all know how this story ends.

The player dropped out of communication. After numerous attempts to reach him through various channels, the player emailed in this on Sept 9th:
That account balance was said to be $250.

Multiple attempts were made with the player to get him to xfer the $250 (including a few attempts declined by Full Tilt for some reason) or settle up via Moneybookers. Neither were successful, despite the player given ample time and instruction, so here we are.


Cliffs:
Small time scammer. Do not stake. Do not trust.


As always, we will update this post if the circumstances change.

Cheers,
RA

Neat. Thanks for letting the community know 2 years ago.

RA

Stars: Drone91
Real Name: Barbu Gabriel Andrei
Address: Tudor Vladimirescu bl 38/7
Petrila, 335800
Romania

Player on a small stake who stole staked funds from the account.

Actual Name: Edgar Yukams
Screen Name: EdgarYY (PS and probably FTP)
Location: Lovech, Bulgaria
Nationality: Bulgarian
Skype: firfi1

Scammer. Player has stopped communicating for 1 month. He appears to have jumped sites (to FTP), played outside the stake, and lost money.

Would love to see this thread become less bickering about what actually happened. Not referring at all to anyone specific. But every time I check this thread lately it's just full of horse/backer going back and forth arguing their sides. Can there be some kind of separate thread, like "Disputes" and people can post their sides of stories in there. Would think this thread would be a lot more beneficial with just the facts of who not to do dealings with.

+1

He owes $550 still, bumped into him on ftp ( kaadim) at 100nl rush, but he hasnt cleared his debt yet and no contact for month. i have emailed him twice and will update if progress.

he was vouched for by a regular member of the 2p2 forum and hope he honors that

1) 2 + 2 sn: mddgfc
2) Name: Mark Doak
3) PS Name: mddgfc
4) Mobile number (+country code) uk 07763900141
5) Address
16 stracam corner
belfast

The following is the list of events in chronological order that have brought us to this point:
30th March 2013: Staking agreement commences, contract is signed by both parties
4th April 2013: First split, no issues
11th April 2013: Second split, no issues
17th April 2013: Third split, no issues
After this point no further splits.
27th May: Mark borrows $800 from the roll without asking, promises to back it back within the week, this never materialises
Mark is in deep make up at this point so we allow him to run a package as a favour so he can pay for living expenses but it is made clear he needs to ask first as the deal is still in progress
9th July: Mark runs a package without asking which we tell him to remove and he declines to do so
16th July: Mark will not continue to play on the stake based on the initial terms (with the reason of needing the pay living expenses), after a back and forth discussion we all agree that Mark gets 30% of the profits he makes the following week
2nd August: Mark is down since the new agreement took place. We perform an account reconciliation and discover Mark has cashed out $2119.84. The reaosn he gave for this is "havent had money from poker in ages and stupidly tried to spin some up betting.
lost began chasing the losses and ended in a massive hole.....can run a pack or two and u guys can take my $$ from it until we are square if ya want me too". We asked Mark to immdediately send the remaining funds which he does ($860). At this point
the total stake is $25301.77 and a $2900 self-given loan
6th August: It is agreed between both parties Mark will give 10% of every package he runs until the self-given loan is paid off
8th August: Mark ships first 10% payment from a package he ran (119.84$)
19th August: Second package has completed but Mark fails to ship 10% ($457.2). He cited the reason that he needed to use this 10% to help fund the next package he was running (we were never consulted on this)
20th August: Mark sends 10% of the most recent package ($40)
21st August: Mark states we only get 10% of a package if it sells out (80% total). We agree to buy the unsold part of the package (3.5%) in order to get the 10% freeroll.
22nd August: Mark sends 3.5% + 10% freeroll ($60)
27th August: Mark fails to send money from most recent package citing the reason that it was sold at lower mark up ( we were never consulted on this and had agreed a 10% freeroll on every package).
29th August: We take up the unsold part of the package (14%) in addition to 10% freeroll. Mark sends the 14 ($415) + 10% ($300)
13th September: 8% ($100) sent from most recent package as package sold at lower mark up which we both agreed was fair
16th September: Mark fails to send the freeroll from most recent package citing the reason that he cannot afford to
28th September: Mark fails to send 10% freeroll from wcoop package ($2259.60). No contact for 3 days after package concludes then he replies "sorry had to use the money to pay off stuff"... which included a debt with someone else

1.contract was never adhered too, made no sense at all giving the fact i was more profitbale in hu games than playing x amount of low stakes sngs (the higher buy ins NEVER run)....you agreed to this and we agreed to a 50/50 chop without any game requirements and you failed to ever give me a new contract stating this.
2.i was allowed to chop whenever i wanted something that again that wasnt in the contract, it was supposed to be a monthly chop...again no new contract ever given.
3.with scoop coming up it was made clear to you on numerous occasions that i rely on my poker income 100% for my money, this was made clear again and again as obv scoop buy ins are massive in comparison to anything else playing plo8 year round.
4.scoop goes very badly, i get killed in sats as well as main events, we quickly end up 20-30k in the hole, with the average daily plo8 $22/$33 game paying $400-$500...obv a major problem for all parties...again though i stress it was made clear by me on numerous occasions that i rely 100% on income from poker for real life so some sort of solution needs to be found.
5.i offer to play cash and the higher hu games but you refuse "as increasing variance while in mu is not good"
6. i dont dispute i owe the roll $800 from scoop.
7. so i run a pack in may and then now in july, obv all the while the bills are still coming in and our last chop was on 17th april....im still grinding hard.
8.i cant continue on the original terms but again you agreed to work with me if scoop went bad...you agreed to the same terms as i would get on a package...which is a 20% freeroll on all CASHES, you change this at the last minute and try to make me settle for 20% of the profit...again this is not what was agreed so i leave the pack up.
9. we then agreed to me getting 30% of the profit for one pack only and then you say we will re asses.
10.i dont deny taking the money from the roll, my fault 100% ive paid some of it back and by my accounting i owe $1500 + $800 total $2300...
11. you then say you will take half my freeroll on each pack, this is fine in my eyes as long as packs sell out...when they dont i either cant run them or have to get a loan to cover them...or i continually cancel them.
12. i cant give you a 10% freeroll if the packs dont sell out, i just cant do it its made clear again and again and again that i need money from poker to live.
13. a friend has been taking all my action at lower buy ins for last few weeks, he has also been buying % of my packs and covering any short falls.
14. obv he is not happy when he finds out im planning on using any spare wcoop money to pay of this debt, considering he has been funding my action and covering short falls on packs lately i see his point, he is also willing to put me in smaller buy in stuff provided any profit i make goes to him first....what choice do i have here and so i pay him.
15.ive repeatedly offered to play day by day on stake, getting the money shipped at start of session and shipping back at the end....this has been rejected even though it would have this debt cleared pretty quickly.
16. ive been told my rep will be ruined and my account banned and labeled a scammer etc if i didnt pay off this immediately, i simply cant do that

in closing i just want to add that ive never had an issue on 2p2, ive been backed on here by most people at some point. ive always been clear on my accounting, ive payed up on EVERY single pack ive ever ran and its over 100k easily.

recently ive had a 22k wcoop score. it finished on the friday night...all funds were in backrs accounts 1st thing on saturday morning, so for me to have pulled a "scam" in the hope with making off with 2k is simply stupid imo.

The main component between a backer and a horse is trust, this was continually broken by Mark by a) taken two loans from the account for himself without asking (one for $800 and one for 2119.84) b) making agreements and constantly reneging on them (not sending % from numerous packages without consulting us any point). We made numerous compromises and favours (outside the terms we initally agreed) by giving weekly chops instead of monthly to being with and then pausing the deal to let him run several packages and offering him 30% of weekly profits after Mark got into deep make up. Mark made close to no effort to consult us on anything he decided to do that was opposed to terms we agreed and after failing to yet again not send 10% from the last package ($2259.60) we felt obliged to post the issue on here.

i did ask for loans, i did ask to open up the stake to more games, i did try to find ways out of this mess but you didnt want to do any of that, all the while the bills kept coming in and as ive repeatedly stated you were made aware on numerous occasions that i rely on poker for my sole income.

you gave me 3 very early chops in the first weeks of the deal, it all went wrong at scoop when i ran bad and it quickly became clear it would be very hard to grind back out of mu playing games with a 1st prize of $400....bear in mind on this deal im only back for hilo stuff and there is only 1 daily mtt with a 1k+ prize for first...a game filled with the best regs online.

the 30% offer was a one off, and only after you offered to give me the same deal i get on 2p2, then changed your mind

i consulted you for months over ways to work round this constantly coming up with ideas....all of which you rejected.

lets not try and kid investors here that you posted this out of any obligation to 2p2...this issue has been around for weeks and weeks, you have had numerous opportunities to post this and as shown by my running packages on here ive never had a problem on here..this was posted purely to damage me and to try and stop me receiving any backing (even after paying out 22k to backers during wcoop)

if the 2p2 community see me as any type of risk thats up to them but please dont try and misrepresent that facts of this situation and deny ive tried to find numerous ways out of it

+1

Hi guys, this is a message from Luke usher. His 2p2 account is locked or barred i believe so he asked me to post this on his behalf to help clear up some of the confusion about his situation. This message was received on Skype today


I thought it best to come on here and explain myself further. If I was a scammer it would make no sense for me to come on here and try and defend myself now that my image/name is ruined due to it being posted in this thread.
Reiterating what MrBubbleBoy posted I am broke, unemployed and owe money. Thegreatone87 saying that $10 a week is an extremely small amount is unfair when I have no money to my name and would to pay the same amount to other backers that were scammed.
I’m currently trying to get myself out of the hole that I’m in and have promised to pay back when I’m making some money, but to threaten me with being posted on 2+2(which has already been done) and demanding money from someone that has none is pointless. I understand it’s not the backers fault and they want their money back, however it’s a **** situation and unfortunately there’s nothing I can do about it right now.
I am now going to send $15 to each party involved as a goodwill gesture to show that I am honest and will eventually pay back what everyone is owed.

Hi. I cant you send private messages for some reason. Your guy scammed me for 1k on stars. Have you got any results or any further contact information on him?

What is your plan for paying back the stolen money and to climb out of the 25k makeup?
A constructive response/suggestion would be appreciated.

as ive said im willing to do a few different things, if we work on clearing the debt first it seems best imo, you have contacted me via skype but im happy to do this either there or here if people want this kept just for feedback, either is fine with me.

1. i play games for you day by day, you ship in the morning i play all day, everything is yours, from $2-$215s or whatever we agreed.....i ship back that night...every penny i make comes of the debt....if this takes too long and seeing as ill still have bills coming in ill run packs occasionally.

2.as ive said i have someone putting me in small stuff and taking % on the premise that i clear him first, once he is clear i can start paying you off with % from packs.

3. you take % of packs and i give you a % of my freeroll for every certain % you take.

im sure there will be a few other ideas or options we can come up with between us