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01-14-2021 , 06:52 PM
Hi everyone,

My boyfriend got involved in a very unhealthy staking deal I was not aware of till recently. He has many obligations he's postponing, because of the financial problems he's facing and the deal with the guy's name I won't mention for now.

I was under the impression that for the past 3 months or more he had taken a break from poker. I was there to support him financially and emotionally. But he's asking for more help I can provide him for the following weeks, so I would like to report a scammer from a rich asian country who doesn't stake people with his own money.

They had a deal back in summer to split everything 50-50. Because of the pressure this guy applied to him and dew to a lack of better judgement he agreed for a small loan - just 100 euros - while in make up. The staker made him confirm in front of a friend of his, that if he ever asks for a loan again he will owe to him 1000 euros and forced him to accept that the split won't be 50-50. The no 50-50 deal was dew to a not even ratio of rakeback between them, that was introduced later in the deal.

This is a transactional dispute, because his staker has repeatedly told him that he will pay him since the end of the last year and he doesn't do so. Furthermore, the staker's language is abusive and racist. I saw a screenshot and I was shocked.

The true amount owed to my bf is about 1700 usd if the deal is 50 - 50 and more than 800 usd if the staker keeps part of the profits just for himself. It could be even more if the numbers he was sent are not real.

Last edited by exposeAsianStaker; 01-14-2021 at 07:06 PM.
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01-14-2021 , 07:01 PM
Furthermore, the staker has sent him some numbers instead of "reports" and the numbers alone cannot be trusted.

In either case, he's owed money for a long time. If my bf won't get payed soon and doesn't get his fair share of the deal, I or he will expose the staker's name, skype address, phone number, paypal address, skrill address, nicknames and skype addresses of known associates, photos of him and images of their conversation.

If he changes any of that, we will provide the exact ways he operates so you can avoid him. Bear in mind that I don't hold the staker's associates accountable for any of this, but it's the only way to ensure that other players won't be lured into this trap.

I am in no mood to continue this thread and destroy this guy's reputation if he does the right thing. For now, I'll just write the first letter of his first name (J) and the first letter of his twoplustwo account (d). I would like the moderators to delete this thread if this issue gets resolved.

He told me to not post this, but I can't keep supporting him if he's supposed to have money. I was also told that the scammer may have twoplustwo members here to support him. So be smart and distinguish between real and fake posts.

Please share your honest opinion, thank you

Last edited by exposeAsianStaker; 01-14-2021 at 07:12 PM.
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01-14-2021 , 07:56 PM
Here are some images my bf saved from their skype conversations. More
will be coming, including racist comments. I have erased the names and other personal information.

The first two show that the staker is taking advantage of my bf by lying to him that he will send his share of the profits and the last two the ways he talks and conducts business.

https://pasteboard.co/JJFCPJt.png
https://pasteboard.co/JJFDmhb.png
https://pasteboard.co/JJFDHLu.png
https://pasteboard.co/JJFE1P8O.png
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01-14-2021 , 11:33 PM
The most disgusting thing is that he loaned 100 euros to my bf, while he knew he had no money and used this as a leverage to change the deal between them. My bf received this amount at least 5 days later. This is considered a tiny amount where we live.

If I'm not mistaken, I am not allowed to write his full phone number. In order to not expose his nationality I won't write the prefix and will write the first 5 numbers of his phone. If you are in contact through whatsapp with him it will be easy to understand who he is. +xx 91553xxx

part of his email address, yanxxxxxx@gmail.com

Photo with friends, where all the faces are erased,
https://pasteboard.co/JJGWnwO.png

He was part of a small poker team in a world poker championship and can post the names here at a later date. I emphasize that non of his friends or associates are part of the scam.

A part of his skrill address, his paypal address, the names of private clubs, nicknames of people in these clubs that gave him money to stake other people will soon be written here. The name of one of his players and the nicknames of the owner of a private room, that my bf was asked to "bumhunt" will soon be revealed if he doesn't do the right thing. If on the other hand, he comes to his senses this post will be deleted.

He might be able to change a name and even use different transaction methods, but changing his country, his friends, his phone number and the rooms he's in won't be easy. Lastly, I have in my possession recordings and his voice is something he definitely can't change.

Last edited by exposeAsianStaker; 01-14-2021 at 11:39 PM.
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01-14-2021 , 11:58 PM
At first, I thought you were trolling when you posted in the other thread I had started.

If it is not some elaborate troll, then it is sad to see. In my experience, stakers will use their leverage within communities, by silencing horses and disregarding them as objects. They will use them purely for financial gain and even lie, steal and manipulate to protect their "prestige" within the community.
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01-15-2021 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by exposeAsianStaker
I would like the moderators to delete this thread if this issue gets resolved.
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Originally Posted by exposeAsianStaker
If on the other hand, he comes to his senses this post will be deleted.
What you would like, and what you end up getting, could be two very different things.

This remark of yours, and all the others about how you won't post names or other information if said staker makes good, point to you thinking this forum exists solely for people to recover their money by threatening to out people. It doesn't. The primary purpose of this forum is for people to warn others (or let them know about good people); to provide feedback.

Now, of course we want to see people recover their money, and there are times we'll help facilitate that. We will almost always edit posts later to indicate issues have been resolved, and sometimes substantial editing makes sense. Once in a while, we will outright delete posts and/or threads by request - but not often. The information is important for others.

I tell you this not to throw cold water on anything, but to let you know what our policies are before you go posting things that you think you can have removed whenever you like. You should assume that whatever you post will be here permanently, so you aren't surprised later.

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A part of his skrill address, his paypal address, the names of private clubs, nicknames of people in these clubs that gave him money to stake other people will soon be written here.
We're also not here for threats and game-playing. Post what you want to post, and then move on. If you have something more to post later, that's fine, but enough of this threatening to post dribs and drabs.

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nicknames and skype addresses of known associates
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He was part of a small poker team in a world poker championship and can post the names here at a later date. I emphasize that non of his friends or associates are part of the scam...

...the names of private clubs, nicknames of people in these clubs that gave him money to stake other people will soon be written here. The name of one of his players and the nicknames of the owner of a private room
Nope.
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01-15-2021 , 06:11 AM
I agree with what you are saying. The main reason to create a thread like this
is for people here to be aware of people like him and not to make threats.

I also understand that if I post certain information I won't be able to remove it later
and certain info should not be posted in the first place.

Thank you

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01-15-2021 , 11:39 AM
While the staker had confirmed he would take some poker accounts that don't belong to him and just audit them, he seized them.

2 images where you can see that he confirmed in front of a witness that they won't be used by a third party and now he says that he won't return them.

https://pasteboard.co/JJLLa5T.png
https://pasteboard.co/JJLLxRI.png

So far we have at least fake promises of payment, seezed accounts that don't belong to him, continuous verbal abuse, not a fair 50-50 split and the fact that he doesn't send many of the reports.

The reports are required because each chip in a particular private room corresponds to an amount of foreign currency that might change from week to week and the fact that the true rakeback is unknown.
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01-20-2021 , 04:40 AM
the person that he's talking about is me. the OP's name is John Kontizas, 2p2 SN overrdogg (this is not his own, he took it from another player) from Greece and he's a former horse of mine. he's one of the worst horses ever. lazy, incompetent and is a degenerate (multiple instances of him gambling and going broke and had to borrow money to fuel his habit which i will show proof later). the only good thing he did was staying while in MU, perhaps due to the fact he had not much options if he left and i out him on 2p2 anyway.

this is the agreement we had.

The terms of the Agreement are as follows:

1) Our Agreement will end in one of the following ways.
- When we are winning overall.
- After makeup.
- Non-compliance to terms set forth in the Agreement unless otherwise stated.

2) If Player loses in a certain week but has made enough profit and wants to end the Agreement, we can discuss to even out our profit sharing when Player sends Backer the funds to make up for a 50/50 split.

3) As a default, Player can only play 4card PLO games up to PLO200-250usd and the equivalent. Permission must be granted by Backer in order to play higher stakes or unless invited to private games at Backer's sole discretion. Stop loss amount will be advised by Backer in our Skype conversations or through this email. This must be strictly adhered to otherwise it may result in the forfeiture of entire winnings or losses to be beared entirely by Player.

4) The first cashout will be a fortnight after the agreement is in force, and subsequently on the first 3 business days of each week through Pokerstars or Bitcoin. To do flexible cashout periods, both Player and Backer must agree to it.

5) Communication and Integrity is key during the entire duration of the Agreement.

6) Player should only play when he's in an optimal state and not be obliged to put in volume if he thinks he will not play well.

7) A maximum of 10 hours can be played in any 24 hour period.

8) Rakeback will be split equally.

9) Player's volume should be about 35 hours a week minimum. This is a guideline and will not be grounds for any penalties but the volume should not be too far off as indicated.

10) The Agreement will be re-evaluated after 2 months from the start of the Agreement.

to be very honest, i'm quite new to staking and may not have drafted a good contract to protect my interests but at the same time i don't think the terms are unreasonable for the horse. i have had multiple horses and none of them have a problem with me and which i also believe will come out here to vouch for my credibility if i ask them to, in fact John has approached one of my horses to ask if there were any payment issues, https://pasteboard.co/JKupqOz.png
https://pasteboard.co/JKupAK4.png


it started with him messaging me and asking for a stake, we discussed about the terms and 1 of them is that he had to play a minimum of 35 hours a week, any breach of contract would result in forfeiture of entire profits. he convinced me that it should only be used as a guideline and that it should not be enforceable. i agreed. he put in tons of volume in the first 3 weeks on a pokerbros club which i assigned him to, which he lost after rakeback. he told me there were instances which he tilted and did not stop, that's 1 of the clause in the contract, he needed to speak to me if he thinks tilt is setting in and i would advise him on what to do. i watched him play on some instances and i saw that he was just spewing due to tilt. that's something he admitted afterwards which is the first breach of contractual terms.
the second breach is that he openly disregarded my instructions to play a specific number of tables TWICE. i told him i will confiscate his rakeback for that week which was around 50usd. i didn't want to tell him future profits would be confiscated due to his breach of contract cos there would be a high chance he just stops playing completely.
the third breach is that of minimum volume requirement. https://pasteboard.co/JK301if.png
we had a contract revision in nov and i agreed to let him play just 7 hours a week, i have given him alot of leeway considering that he had some personal issues to deal with, but on some weeks he can't even hit it, as a pro is it that hard to hit 7 hours a week even if u had things u needed to do? he would tell me excuses like his brain would be fried from dissertation so he can't play for too long even when the private games i put him in are super soft. those are the only games he won by the way, he lost everywhere else i put him in. some ridiculous reasons he told me are that u don't play much when games are soft, the tougher the games, the more u play, the softer it is the lesser u play. https://pasteboard.co/JKtWXYZ.png
there were a few weeks where he had to look for money so he couldn't play cos he gambled it away.
https://pasteboard.co/JKu4Dfj.png
https://pasteboard.co/JKu8VPK.png
https://pasteboard.co/JKuabmk.png
how can i continually loan money to a guy who gambles whatever survival money he has left?
he would then use the reason of not being able to play due to not having money as a leverage to repeatedly ask a loan from me, shouldn't asking for a loan be a favour and my goodwill instead of a demand? "if u don't help me i can't play cos i have no money and have to look for it" shouldn't be used to pressure me into loaning him.
i took 15% off the rakeback i was given by my upline on apps and split the rest 50/50 with him. i told him the reason i took 15% is cos of the default risk i have to bear in case my upline doesn't pay. i could have easily modified the rakeback % and then lied to him about the rakeback i was getting but i didn't.
at the end of it all i still wanted to pay him and then drop him after until he brought the contract up that i have violated the terms.

Last edited by dejacob; 01-20-2021 at 05:02 AM.
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01-20-2021 , 05:25 AM
01-20-2021 , 06:07 AM
Jacob Yong, aka dejacob, has proceeded to defamation. I ask from the moderator for this thread to be archived, in order for it to be used for legal reasons.

He would have every right to do so, according to the rules of the poker forum, if there wasn't a) a transactional dispute between us, b) if he hadn't continuously blackmailing me to quote, "expose me" if I didn't play when he wanted me to play, c) if he hadn't commit the illegal act to steal 7 of my accounts. In addition to the aforementioned we have, d) his predatory move to make me confirm that if I ever ask for a loan again, I will be charged with $1000 and made me confirm under duress for the "margin" to be kept for himself, e) the fact the he threatened that if I asked for the latest reports, he would not respond to my skype texts and f) fake promises that I will get payed.

He has implicitly said that this thread will be swarmed with 2p2ers that will take his side, while has has no witnesses. Between Dec 6 and Dec 15, he had been saying that he would said my payment next to every other day and decided not do so after I confronted him about the stolen accounts and the fact that he wasn't sending me the reports.

In the following posts I will explain the laughable violations of the contract on my part and the real violations on his part, as well as provide screenshots about his illegit or illegal acts.

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-20-2021 at 06:21 AM.
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01-20-2021 , 08:22 AM
There were two contract revisions, one in October and one in November. The first was during a skype call and there are skype screenshots to prove it. I had and still have to work on my thesis, so we had a decision to make on how to proceed. We could either take a break and continue when I'm free of obligations or I could play a few hours per week at private clubs. We agreed on the second option.

In October, the term (9) was altered to one hour on average for each day (seven hours on average per week) and in early November there was an implicit agreement of at least 7 hours per week. The latest revision was made in late November and it was 10 hours/week.

The first 3 chops and one $100 payment were made in September (I was payed a total of $3100). Not once was I payed the amount I was owed and on top of that he was violating the term 4, to pay me in the first 3 business days and he was keeping a large 3 digit amount of the rakeback on the side. These were not serious contractual breaches, but I did the mistake to keep cooperating with him.

After this period, I only received a small loan of 50 euros, which he got back by one of my references and 100 euros that was not a loan, but I had to confirm that if I ever ask for a loan in the future I would be charged with $1000 and that I would have to leave the "margin" (15% rb kept aside from each club, whether the rb was high or low). This margin violates the term (8), 50-50 rb split and I was under the impression that I would get payed half of it after I quit. Below is a screenshot, where you can see that with a former horse of his, he had a 50-50 arrangement. As far as I know, staking deals are always between 50-50 and 60-40 in favor of the player.

https://ibb.co/BcD2MS4

I have to admit that I asked for loans multiple times from November onwards, because I was facing financial problems. The fact is, that Jacob Yong would not help me or at least decide for us to take a break till I have enough money to take care of my life expenses. On the other hand, the first time I asked for a loan in exchange for additional mu, he tried to convince me to accept owing him the whole makeup in case I didn't play a certain amount of hours per week.

He even made a thread about the definition of makeup, while in term (2), it is indicated that if the player decides to quit he can send money to "even out the profit sharing to make up for a 50/50 split."

After the first profit chops, I had a downswing of almost $8k in mid to late September and since this downswing I cleared the mu twice and produced profits on top. The first time I cleared the mu, I asked from Jacob Yong to send me the reports and he refused. Had he done so, we would have the option to part our ways.

Between Dec 21 and Dec 27, I produced profits and Jacob had to pay me even if he had to keep $1750 (not including the confiscated rakeback) for himself. Jacob was winning more from our staking arrangement on the 23th of November and before the aforementioned week that led to a profit ch, because of the margin that he kept for himself.

Below are the promises Jacob make the past weeks that he would pay me and the fact that he pretended to ask from his trader to send him euro to skrill, while in fact he did not specify an amount.

Promises of payment,

https://ibb.co/zGQRGw4
https://ibb.co/mTYKYjX

3 way chat with one my references,
https://ibb.co/gSMDmGj

Screenshot where his trader is asking for an amount and Jacob Yong replies 8 hours later, without even specifying the amount,

https://ibb.co/YhSKSCN

Dejacob said that he would pay me, but will not return the accounts, for which he confirmed in front of a witness that they will not be used by a third party,

https://ibb.co/YhD8LLL

After I confronted him about the stolen accounts and the reports that he was refusing to send, he said that I will not be payed because of "contractual breaches". I will come back to this later.

The amount Jacob Yong owes me, is unknown. Based on the numbers he has sent me it's about $830, if he keeps $1750 for himself.

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-20-2021 at 08:40 AM.
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01-20-2021 , 10:20 AM
Jacob Yong was informed early on about how I lost my close to 6 digit bankroll, before we proceeded with our staking arrangement. I was very upfront with him from the get go.

According to Jacob Yong "multiple instances of him gambling and going broke and had to borrow money to fuel his habit which i will show proof later", while in fact I lost about 130 euros, which was money that belonged to me. This amount was lost after Jacob violated the 6th term, "Player should only play when he's in an optimal state and not be obliged to put in volume if he thinks he will not play well." Below is a screenshot of him pushing me to play, while I was supposed to have a skype meeting with my professor two days later.

https://pasteboard.co/JKwna6P.png

There aren't casino games on pokerbros or PPPoker and I have not mishandled his funds in any way. I have never played games or at stakes that we haven't agreed on.

The profit chops were made before the contract revisions. Up till then, "violations on my part" were playing once 4 tables instead of 3 and another time 3 tables instead of 2. dejacob forfeited rakeback for these "violations". I won't even comment on the low number of tables I was "instructed" to play.

I don't think "tilt" is part of the contract and please correct me if I'm wrong. It's common for people to tilt in a high variance game like plo. Maybe I was an idiot, like Jacob stated, to admit that there were certain occasions were I lost my cool, but imo I had to be honest.

He know uses the "contractual breaches", which happened in the summer as an excuse, while he had already forfeited rakeback for that. It is suspicious that he used this excuse 17 days after the day I was supposed to get paid and after I asked him for the latest official reports and confronted him about the stolen accounts.

Talking about laziness, Jacob waited 14 days to start doing the latest tally in the formal google sheet. This delay on his part happened in early September as well.

What is more important is that since the latest revision of the contract (10 hours per week), I have not violated any term in any way. In other words, he cannot use this while a) these "violations" happened before the first profit chop, b) he had a chance to drop me in late November (or I could have the chance to quit), had he sent me reports I had asked from him and c) there was not a single violation since the latest contract revision (10 hours per week).

He might use the fact that a certain I played 40 minutes less in a certain week in October, but this still doesn't constitute a violation of the agreement we had during that period, because it was 7 hours on average per week. He is welcome to twist the facts in any way he wishes, by posting part of screenshots, that will not show the rest of the conversation. Here's a screenshot where he explains my "violations" to another staker, who happens to be a friend of mine and in his own words he was not impartial,

https://pasteboard.co/JKwkTHv.png

Before I describe in detail Jacob's "contractual breaches", I want people to wonder two simple things. How is it possible that I made a large 4 digit amount the last two weeks I played and yet he has been unable (or unwilling) to pay me a 3 digit amount? Why hasn't he sent me some of the latest reports and why did he steal 7 of my accounts, if he has nothing to hide?

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01-20-2021 , 12:47 PM
When it comes to incompetence, back in September, he was asking me to play in private higher stakes games, because his "uplines" were taking notice of me. The overall profit at public pokerbros games was decent (more than 7k if I'm not mistaken, mostly 100 and 200 plo, few hands at 400 plo during the upswing, on which we both agreed on and we would go up to 600 plo) till I had a downswing and after that he would credit my accounts with 2 or 3 bis, mainly for 100 plo. I think it would be much easier to produce a larger profit at pokerbros, if I was properly bankrolled.

Jacob was getting balance from other agents (or other stakers) and for the longest part of our agreement, he was crediting my accounts with few bis and was saying "if you lose them, tell me to reload". For a long time Jacob had been monitoring my game. If he didn't like what he saw, we had two great opportunities to end the deal the last month I was playing. We could also end the deal back in September, where he could pay me the rest of the chop at his earliest convenience.

Jacob Yong's violations of contract

(4) Not paying me the full amount I'm owed at each chop and not even once in the first 3 business days.
Fake promises of payment for longer than 2 weeks. Atm I have been payed $3221, ($3100 from chops + 100 euros while in mu)
(6) Pressuring me to play, while he was warned I might underperform.
(8) 50-50 rb split. This would not constitute a violation, had he sent me the small amount of 100 euros soon after I confirmed that I will let him keep the margin. It took him about 5 days to send this amount. Lastly, he made confirm that if I ask for a loan one more time $1000 will be added to makeup and that the only way for him to send me an amount I could get on my own in 2 days time, was to let him keep the margin.

We also have,

a) continuous verbal abuse
b) frequent threats
c) refusal to send the latest official reports
d) defamation
e) seizure of accounts that don't belong to him

I know that all these might sound funny to a reasonable person. Violations of agreement etc.
What really matters is that he has been pressuring me to play while in mu, while I didn't have enough money for life expenses, instead of taking a break.
Moreover, I don't know the true profit and even if his numbers are legit, there is a transactional dispute.
Last but not least, he stole my accounts and he's refusing to return them.

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-20-2021 at 01:10 PM.
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01-20-2021 , 01:12 PM
7 hours? a week? Sweet gig you've wrangled up for yourself there buddy.
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01-20-2021 , 01:14 PM
Edit, *Between Jan 6 and Jan 15, he had been saying that he would send my payment*

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-20-2021 at 01:33 PM.
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01-20-2021 , 01:17 PM
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7 hours? a week? Sweet gig you've wrangled up for yourself there buddy.
It was not meant to be forever mate. I have a thesis to complete, other obligations and I do not have the financial stability I used to have. Our deal was simple, higher stakes at private clubs and much fewer hours of play or take a break. And the issue at hand is even simpler. I am owed money since Wed 30 and he stole my accounts to (probably) cover his tracks.

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-20-2021 at 01:31 PM.
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01-21-2021 , 05:08 AM
Some of Jacob's statements

" when the private games i put him in are super soft. those are the only games he won by the way, he lost everywhere else i put him in ".
During our staking arrangement I played at 7 clubs, out of which only one was private and according to him the softest game. 5 public games at Pokerbros unions, 1 public club at PPPoker and one private club at PPPoker. I won at 3 of the 5 public clubs at pokerbros and the overall profit including the whole rakeback is close to $1400, even after a close to $8k downswing in late September. I lost at the public PPPoker club and the true amount I won at the PPP private club is much more than what is presented in our google sheet (he was giving a large piece of the action)

"how can i continually loan money to a guy who gambles whatever survival money he has left?"
Like I've said, I asked for loans in exchange for mu many times. This was the first time he sent me a loan of 50 euros,
https://pasteboard.co/JKDjGVT.png
He has also sent me 100 euros. Both of the times he sent me these amounts I cleared the mu a few days later. He had no obligation to send me money while I was in mu, but he also had no right to leverage the position I was in, in an attempt to make me confirm some insane terms.

"the second breach is that he openly disregarded my instructions to play a specific number of tables TWICE. i told him i will confiscate his rakeback for that week which was around 50usd. i didn't want to tell him future profits would be confiscated due to his breach of contract cos there would be a high chance he just stops playing completely."
That was back in the summer, before the first chops in September.
"i didn't want to tell him future profits would be confiscated due to his breach of contract cos there would be a high chance he just stops playing completely." If this was the case, he should have dropped me in the summer or inform me that the staking will end after I clear the mu.

"for a loan be a favour and my goodwill instead of a demand? "if u don't help me i can't play cos i have no money and have to look for it" shouldn't be used to pressure me into loaning him."
His good will was a total of 150 euros while in mu.

The latest payment was supposed to happen on Dec 30 or some days later and he seemed sure that he will pay me after Jan 6. On Jan 11 he told me that he would pay me that night and the very next day he said that he would arrange it with his trader.
According to Jacob Yong the overall profit (and according to the numbers we put into the official google sheet) is a "littly shy of 10k", while I have been payed $3221.

Last edited by overrdogg; 01-21-2021 at 05:38 AM.
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01-22-2021 , 09:55 AM
can you guys maybe sum up your main complaints about each other in a sentence or two for each complaint? There is a lot to unpack here, it's obviously been a very emotional experience for the both of you.
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01-22-2021 , 01:16 PM
^Basic gestalt from my understanding of one read through.
Staker: Put OP(knowing he is a degenerate problem gambler) into a half dozen club/app games that had undisclosed RB deals he agreed to split with OP contingent on him playing X amount of hours and X amount of tables in games selected for him.
Horse: Had life stuff happen(not fail college? a thesis?) and had to reduce his promissory hours to 7 a week which he could not even make good on. Several times asks for personal loans against his MU and gets very upset when he isn't granted the favor the 3rd/4th time. I can't remember if this is where he went on a tangent about losing all his money playing Stars casino games and not having rent money but I vaguely remember that somewhere. His beef lies in that he feels owed an amount of money in RB that there is no possible way to verify as he didn't get the RB% in advance and keep meticulous records like an actual professional depending on this money to live would. That and the "accounts" that were created by the Staker and given to OP to play on were seized. Having a problem with the lack of effective communication between the two is a legitimate issue and I see his point.
Horses girlfriend: Made this thread to force OP to try to squeeze out the rent money that he may or may not be entitled to because times is tough all over.
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01-22-2021 , 02:10 PM
On September 17 I got payed $1900, while I had to be payed about $2030 for a perfect chop (more if Jacob didn't keep a margin).

At the time, Jacob was keeping about $784 on the side (so a perfect payment if we parted our ways would be about $2425. Obviously, these aren't complaints.

I've been under the impression that I would be payed half of the margin after our cooperation ended, if Jacob would not "get defaulted" by then. His 50-50 deal with another horse of his justifies my assumption.

I have been playing between late September and late December and made about 2610 extra profit. This profit might be larger if Jacob was not giving 50% of the action on a certain private club for all the weeks I've played there.

I had to endure the stress of a somewhat large mu for about 3 months and endless skype conversations with someone that showed no empathy for my genaral situation and was constantly threatening me.

Since the last profitable week (Dec 21-27), Jacob has told me multiple times that he will pay me the same day or after a few days. He refused to send me the latest reports, so I can check the true profit in indian rupees.

He decided to not pay me, on Jan 15, after I confronted him about the PPPoker accounts that he stole. He used as an excuse that I won't be payed because of "contractual breaches" (you can see above) that happened before the first chop and long before the latest contract revision on the 9th term of the contract.
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01-22-2021 , 02:29 PM
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^Basic gestalt from my understanding of one read through.
Staker: Put OP(knowing he is a degenerate problem gambler) into a half dozen club/app games that had undisclosed RB deals he agreed to split with OP contingent on him playing X amount of hours and X amount of tables in games selected for him.
Horse: Had life stuff happen(not fail college? a thesis?) and had to reduce his promissory hours to 7 a week which he could not even make good on. Several times asks for personal loans against his MU and gets very upset when he isn't granted the favor the 3rd/4th time. I can't remember if this is where he went on a tangent about losing all his money playing Stars casino games and not having rent money but I vaguely remember that somewhere. His beef lies in that he feels owed an amount of money in RB that there is no possible way to verify as he didn't get the RB% in advance and keep meticulous records like an actual professional depending on this money to live would. That and the "accounts" that were created by the Staker and given to OP to play on were seized. Having a problem with the lack of effective communication between the two is a legitimate issue and I see his point.
Horses girlfriend: Made this thread to force OP to try to squeeze out the rent money that he may or may not be entitled to because times is tough all over.
Where was rent mentioned in this thread? How did you make such a perfect guess? Why would it be to "squeeze out" the
rent money and not to get money that I'm owed? If Jacob told me that he faced financial issues, I would have to wait, but he
repeatedly said that he will pay me.

"That and the "accounts" that were created by the Staker and given to OP to play on were seized." I created the accounts and there is proof for this.

"Put OP(knowing he is a degenerate problem gambler) into a half dozen club/app games that had undisclosed RB deals he agreed to split with OP contingent on him playing X amount of hours and X amount of tables in games selected for him." My gambling problem is somewhat recent, I have it mostly under control now and I admit that it was the reason that I went busto in the first place. Before 2019, I had never played casino games online. In any case, he had no right to call me a degenerate. I am the only one who has the right to talk publicly about this issue.

"Horse: Had life stuff happen(not fail college? a thesis?) and had to reduce his promissory hours to 7 a week which he could not even make good on."
I was playing more than the hours than what we had agreed in the latest contract revision and there is proof for this too.

"Several times asks for personal loans against his MU and gets very upset when he isn't granted the favor the 3rd/4th time" I asked several times, but got twice, a total of 150 euros (the second time it was not a loan). Please read above.

"His beef lies in that he feels owed an amount of money in RB that there is no possible way to verify as he didn't get the RB% in advance and keep meticulous records like an actual professional depending on this money to live would. " I'm owed an actual payment.

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01-22-2021 , 04:25 PM
Just stating the public perception from someone with zero concern or involvement in the situation because someone asked. The rent thing was from the screenshot where you said you did multiple deposits and lost it all on casino games yet had not paid the rent before begging for a loan. This whole thread makes you both appear terrible from an outside perspective and imo there's no world this "pro" poker thing will work out for you in the long run treating it so unprofessionally. 7 hours of PLO/week is literally just gambling you might as well stick to the pits lol.

TL;DR: OP is troubled pit degen needing money, Staker is a predatory piece of garbage who ended the agreement without clearly communicating when/how it was going to end.
Sad, many such cases.
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01-22-2021 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TPeck
Just stating the public perception from someone with zero concern or involvement in the situation because someone asked. The rent thing was from the screenshot where you said you did multiple deposits and lost it all on casino games yet had not paid the rent before begging for a loan. This whole thread makes you both appear terrible from an outside perspective and imo there's no world this "pro" poker thing will work out for you in the long run treating it so unprofessionally. 7 hours of PLO/week is literally just gambling you might as well stick to the pits lol.

TL;DR: OP is troubled pit degen needing money, Staker is a predatory piece of garbage who ended the agreement without clearly communicating when/how it was going to end.
Sad, many such cases.
Lost about 130 euros that day and please see the context above. Your assumption about a troubled pit degen and how this pro poker thing will go in the future, would be ok if you had intel that these "degen activities" are happening this period and if I hadn't played millions of hands.

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01-22-2021 , 04:56 PM
Okay carry on with the mental gymnastics on how losing money you couldn't afford with rent due is somehow perfectly normal/healthy. I truly wish you the best of luck collecting the entirely unknown amount of money you're owed from this aggressive angry more or less stranger.
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