This player did not steal from you, he lost funds playing for you. I would imagine some of the previous sites you created involved similar circumstances.

Would be a easy argument to prove, you gave money for defendant to play poker, player lost money playing poker.

100% in england even if someone steals you are not allowed to post a site about them outting them its a breach of there human rights and there data protection act privileges may suck but it is true i personal hate ppl who steal money but i equaly hate ppl who try and out ppl as thiefs who have not stole these ppl are just as bad as thiefs blackmail scare tactics the same as scareware virus it rele is the same as scare ware scam type based of thing

You have to take in consideration that canadian law / USA law will be different from european / backees local law.

Most first world countries provide quite a good law system thats quite accessible.

I can assure you that copying any photograph and republishing it (like the websites) are in violation of the copyright law at the least. Judges generally rule with a fine of like $100 a day for every day the photo's are up.

You're advised to remove photos that are not taken in public, because most law-systems have a sub-article stating you can copy photos and republish them when they have potential news-worthiness.

"We were advised to omit screenshots of discussions"
I'm not sure, but this seems the most legit thing to post, other than photos and personal data.

"To prevail in a case for defamation, the plaintiff must prove that statements are false"
This is clearly the other way around.

You are correct:
"Action against a site creator would be weak, but could be time consuming to defend"

Because there are so many different laws that apply to this matter, in reality most likely nothing will happen with anything created.

But how would you feel if all of a sudden all kind of alex carr and rob tinnion sites would pop up?
Im quite suprised that there aren't already actually. Cause this is the only defense backees in case have.

This is an interesting point. At least when accusations are made on 2+2, posters have the ability to state their own case. When you create your own site about someone, there's no opportunity for rebuttal, so it seems like a tool that, if used at all, should be reserved for only the most blatant and clear-cut cases.

I really think that U shove I call and Aznpower11 should be timed out from this thread. U shove because he clearly has an axe to grind and Aznpower11 because he clearly just searches for drama in the Marketplace. Neither of them are offering anything of any value to the wider community, or in resolving this issue. From the most recent posts it is also clear that the Pocarr guys are trying to improve the way they do business, which I absolutely think is a good idea and necessary.

I will add that I find U shove I calls' stance on staking contracts having no legal standing, while selling his own packages quite interesting. Lets hope no issues arise in the future.

Good timing for you to mention that as i have nothing further to add to the discussion. The site has been removed which was my main axe to grind as you put it. The makeup is between the 2 parties and they are free to decide how to handle that.

Of course staking contracts have no legal standing that much is obvious. If people want to trust me to hold up my end thats on them. Very much doubt i will have any issues selling my own packages as i structure them what i think is fairly and have had a perfect record in poker for 10 years. I actually think i sell myself short most of the time as i think having the privilege of traveling around the world and reducing my variance at the same time is more important than charging the maximum i can. Clearly im in the minority here but losing a small amount of EV, reducing my variance and traveling around the globe seems a fair trade to me.

Thanks for your contribution though pretty cheap shot and in no way related to the issue under discussion.

Also think i contributed alot to this thread. Pocarr needed a wakeup call that their business model of taking on anyone and using blackmail if they quit poker, don't watch enough videos in a month or steal is extremely flawed. They got away with it for a long time but it was obvious this day would come eventually that someone would question the legality of what they are doing and sooner rather than later is clearly better for them. Case in point all websites have been removed with probably every one of them breaking data protection laws. You ever wondered why if you fall behind on payments on your mortgage or whatever bill the bank doesn't make a xxxisathief website?

Last post heres the full story from the Lawyer they asked.

http://www.justanswer.com/law/a0cf4-...als-money.html

Just incase any other people are interested in the specifics of this.

Quite scandalous i could find this using google and you using his actual name. If you are going to take down all the websites maybe you should reduce the traces found on google as well.

All the information is worthless anyway as you state the case is in Virginia when any case would be tried under EU law.

I wish I had $5 to ask Marc for some legal advice too

http://donottrustmarcinmilde.com/

you just dont learn your lesson do you

Don't waste your breath 180grinder they think due to their $5 attorneys advice this iteration of the site is all legal and above board.

Guess we will see.

eu has clear guide lines on this type of thing gl to your friend

whats wrong with this version of the site?

I'd be more on #teamMarcin if he paid back the loans he borrowed. Can we get that part settled at least, or is that portion of the MU going to be held over the backers like some sort of carrot?

The loan was repaid 2 days after it was taken. Refer to posts 194 and 195 for clarification and was over 12 months ago. The screenshot proving this was removed from post 129 at my request as it contained my pokerstars username. The off stake games played was also repaid in full well over a year ago. This Elliot Roe coaching i have no idea about but it has about as much relevance as the $300k that was chopped guess you can have your $1400 back just send over the $150k you chopped and call it even.

Eddy there is zero point in discussing what is right or wrong with the site now they have made their choice and im not going to point out what the problems are for them now. Really hope the gentleman i have been in contact with who had his unedited passport displayed by pocarr for close to 2 years makes a case against them. Thats about as close to a slam dunk as you can get and may cost ALOT of money.

Acbarone in response to your post in the neg feedback thread staking groups can post as much private information as any other institution can. With how powerful the Multi national banks are even they can't post xxxisatheif or don't trustxxx if a debtor defaults on payments. Poker players must live in a little bubble and have no idea about the laws that govern us.

It's hard for people to get away with defaulting on payments to a bank since they can just claim your house or whatever, no need for them to post sites

move on with your lives bros

im sorry then i misread eddy

no worries

http://www.justanswer.com/law/a0evs-...something.html

Been very busy haven't you boys. Your $5 attorney cant even spell pocarr and your taking his legal advice when he obviously has zero clue about EU and U.K data protection laws.

Even if any such lawsuit would be totally meritless, you still lose the moment you’re sued because of the hassle and expense (unless, of course, we’re talking about big money, in which case you could counter-claim for breach of contract and damages). But let’s go with the notion that you want to be as aggressive as possible without being sued.

Breach of contract is a good one as your contract isn't worth the paper its written on. Maybe you should explain that little tidbit to Marc.

Other info could include Marcin’s general location (e.g., Buffalo, NY; Manchester, England; Yale University). But DO NOT publish full address or phone number for a number of reasons which I won’t go into here

You already did that in a previous version so look forward to that being levied against you.

So go for it. Just don't piss him off too much, don't harass, and don't make it look like you're benefiting commercially from the site (by the way - getting back money that is owed to you is fine and would not constitute a commercial benefit in this context).

Nice legal term there. Actually had envisioned you going to a legitimate lawyer and seeking advice not paying $10 for some hack which we can read and divulge your full tactics from.

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Hilarious that you keep trying to put the site up yet fail to mention the repayments or the offer I made you of $6000... You flat out refused that and wanted $8000 within a week... Your plan has failed anyway... I still have my job and on top of your great publicity on here I have been approached with part time backing so thanks for that much appreciated it's cheered my week up after a depressing week of harassment...hope to see you again on the tables... Ps the government has been forwarded link of the new website with all the screenshots of the old one including my address photos etc and I might as well try get a no win no fee solicitor involved as well as iv been told it will at least cost you a few quid in solicitors fees as well...

hold on..
these toolboxes used a ****ing "askanswer" website search rather than get off their asses and consult an actual lawyer.
this is pathetic.
If i had a way to get pocarr's database I would be advising every one of those guys to get out while they can.

But hey.. I guess this is a trend in the world right now. "leaders" (and I use that term very loosely). Making terrible choices that they have 0 clue about.

I thought this blew up because you were quitting poker with the argument being about how much makeup is owed. If you aren't really quitting but going to be backed by someone else then those people should be buying out the makeup from Pocarr.
This kind of demonstrates the points made by a couple of stakers in this thread about how difficult it is for backers when horses say that they are quitting and just walk away from their makeup and can then start up again on a new pokersite with a new screename.

Marcin receiving offers to be backed doesn't mean he applied for/asked anyone for backing. It is however kind of suspicious that he mentions that when he is "quitting poker", though.

"Hope to see you again on the tables" Guessing Marcin is joking.

want to slam pocarr, but marcin keeps posting and is so utterly unlikeable.