You can stick up for the stables all you want , , the backer maybe not putting up any money but he the one doing all the work sometimes 100 hours a week , not eating properly/sleeping properly because they desperate to make a wage . The effect mentality and psychically could be very damaging over long term .the business is not legitimate so there is no control measures in place . No matter what you say it's technically illegal and when boils down to it that's what really counts .

is this guy for reals?prob a buthurt ex horse i would guess.
I think Marcin should owe 100% of MU.This is so easily exploitable,and if they let him get away with that,pocarr will not be around for long.my 2 cents

I don't really see how it's "illegal" at all. If you have to sacrifice your health to barely get by through poker, then you shouldn't be playing poker full time, let alone backed full-time. I'm just trying to point out things from the stable's POV, they have 100% of the risk in these deals and are giving many horses an opportunity they cannot afford, of course they are going to be strict!

I promise you, if pocarr is not around in the future, it's not because horses aren't paying 100% of makeup whenever a deal ends, lol

I have never been backed or will be backed specially by a bunch of posh boys who think they big and clever because got money. He owes nothing because the business is illegal it's a simple fact you might have your own little poker boys club but in real world actually mean jack **** .

Im not sure tbh think he agreed to 100% without knowing that was way to much and would of taken 4 years to pay off

Ye i misspoke here i only meant its leeching if bully and blackmail tactics will be used for any problem where pocarr lose 1 cent which seems to be the blanket treatment of anyone be it a Brazilian they did zero due diligence on who stole $80 or a hard working horse for several years who fell on bad times.

cmon we both know you play for pocarr and the only people who think 100% is correct is you.

Regarding Marcin's makeup amount, I think it would be fair if he owes back 50% makeup. Someone pointed out before that this would mean both Pocarr and Marcin would have an equal amount of profit at the end of the deal. If Marcin is going to quit poker and feel he owes no makeup, then that is just a scummy move.

I'd love to know if he would have been able to afford to play in the Sunday Million he binked without being backed by Pocarr or anyone, it might change his perspective.

the staking world like another company should'nt be a freeroll for stable there risks in all investments poker and non poker someone leaving and quiting poker is a risk you take you explote the fact a +ev player is not br to p[lay games they beat thus making money of another guys brains and players explote the fact some wants to stake them in games they cant afford it works both ways however some times investments go sour and the person need to make money to live so they quit poker this is one of those cases pocarr stop post thief pages or can not be trust pages just so you know even if a shop lifter or bank robber steals in england its a criminal offence to put a picture in your shop window or even take the item back off them i bet you even ppl who have rolled online could sue the person would put a website up about them just saying your staking on thin ice

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I honestly dgaf,its just my opinion and i do think that rob was a prick and an idiot at the start of the thread.Is just my 2 cents,nothing more.

buying your make up % 50 is like same you sell your action % 0 mark up . it is free roling . and no one in the world sell his action long term 0 mark up .

also rob i think we are friends around 3 years we ve been same chat as mike , james , dan been so i offer you deal it one to one with marcin . this thread or other one not helping you to solve it and effecting your future deal. demetrie has same situation before i think. he can help you about it .

Ok seeing as people are telling me that this is the incorrect place to be discussing pocarr contract and pocarr tax liability please point me in the direction of the correct forum to discuss this matter. If it is a separate issue then its a absolutely relevant one with pocarr posting around a average of 10 neg feedback posts a month





Can move this post to the correct place if a mod doesn't mind.

Tbh,they should had cut and outed him when he stole at first place.

Wasn't in their interest at the time obv that's why they kept it to themselves. Now they think it's in their best interest to out him so they have. The common theme is they do what is in their best interests first and foremost. Not surprising obv but reality.

meh if they are going to hold it in reserve as a weapon to use at a later date i agree. Which is exactly what they did btw once that has been made right why is it relavant now?

From speaking to another big staker im told playing off stakes games and redepositing the funds shortly after is not considered stealing will paraphrase what he said.

Lol playing off stake with my funds and returning them? Would have to make sites for 300 people if thats considered stealing

Agree with USIC that a new thread should be opened to discuss pocarr (and other backing groups similar) business legitimacy, tax implications/liability etc

Would be a great discussion for community in general imo.

Someone reputable like ClayDol should OP that kind of thread. One time?

i think they just got him later by doing an audit?like he played games and never desposited?if thats a case,he stole.otherwise,he obv did nothing wrong.

The idea that a mistake on one issue would then completely invalidate every other part of a business arrangement is ridiculous. Yes, they may have wronged the backer in this regard, but to say that wipes out any debt is pretty silly IMO.

No, you've given your opinion and legal interpretation as to why you believe the contract is void.

Seriously, it's time to move on from this nonsense. Either the backer owes money, or he doesn't - whether pocarr is incorporated anywhere or not really doesn't change anything.

But dealing with the matter for a moment, neither of you has any idea whether they are a registered or incorporated company. And it doesn't matter anyway. Registering or incorporating doesn't magically add legitimacy to your business, and not doing so doesn't exempt you from paying taxes. I know many people who have made money from their own very legitimate small businesses, including me, and paid their taxes. And as for legitimacy, one of the main reasons to incorporate is to shield the company owners from liability. Of course there are other reasons, and different jurisdictions have different requirements - the point is that this is a complex topic, and making assumptions based on how pocarr is set up in terms of being a registered company is something of a red herring and distraction from the topic at hand.

There is no correct place for it, because there's no need to discuss it. How pocarr is set up is of no relevance here, and frankly, really isn't any of our business.

It seems like you're hung up on the language of calling themselves a company - I can come up with a name today, print some business cards, and be writing up company contracts tomorrow, perfectly legitimately.

I'd have thought this was fairly common knowledge, but it appears not to be for a couple of you, so I'll just point you to one quick and easy source (emphasis mine):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company

Now, let's move on from this "they're not a company, they don't pay taxes, the contract is void" nonsense, please.

Edit to add: Please don't take this post to be taking one side of this dispute. I just believe this "legitimate company" nonsense needs to be stopped for once and for all.

+1 entire post. Geez

With all due respect i think it's clear based on this thread it absolutely would not be a great discussion lol. Almost no one has any idea what they're talking about for this matter (including me), or who actually knows what they're talking about. Would be a mess. And see bobo post

I saw bobo's second post. First round KO. Gg mate.

So let me get this straight.
my acct gets banned (lets say im innocent, I have all the proof out there, show you emails, show you me failing to log in. Basically everything proving I am in the right and I am banned) and im supposed to pay everything back right away?

You can't possibly be serious

I can be convinced of this. What about a separate thread to discuss xxxisathief type sites and the legality there? Personally I'd like more knowledge on this subject, but perhaps I am just ignorant on the subject myself and the community isn't as a whole. Appreciate your thoughts as always.

Ha ye bobo wins the thread obv still recovering from that blow.

FWIW pocarr responded better today... and acted more professional i will say that.
Also I don't get why they wait before posting the evidence/proof. would rather read a full 10 paragraph post about the details of what happened rather than a 3 line post summarizing.


I feel Marcin offering to pay money is a good gesture.
Not an expert in these matters for how much he owe though

But generally speaking when the negotiations are like how it was. No payments will happen, I don't blame marcin he tried to be reasonable. seemed pocarr just wanted to recoup as much as possible.

Personally I think something between 0% and 50% but not 0% or 50% would be where an appropriate buyout would be, assuming 50/50 mu deal and the ability to access the value of that makeup if continuing the stake today.

Though I still don't think he should obligated to owe anything if he's truly quitting poker and agrees to approach pocarr first should he return to poker.