+1 id love to see this to pocarr getting sued for libel

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I would suggest saving a google cache version of the sites they have put up so far should you pursue legal advice. Best of luck.

I made the site, you're going to have to sue me. You only have a case for libel/defamation if we posted something untrue. We have yet to post anything untrue and we have proof of everything that we've posted to be 100% true.

We want this resolved as Rob has said numerous times and have proposed what we feel is fair. If we can't come to an agreement in the next 24 hours we're going to not settle for less than 100%. We're not going to wait for you to go seek counsel, realize you have no case, and then accept 50%.

I look forward to helping him with this case. Your spelling skills are clearly stronger than your understand of law. Your scare tactics work well against people who don't know better but not me.

and you laugh at somones spellings and clear your pretty dumb also lel gg m9 is what will be said once they sue you. also 4th picture on the right hand side you should'nt have random ppl faces in it exposed i mean the site is just lol bad anyway tbh but i gusse that matches pocarr in general

If Marcin follows through with a lawsuit, my guess is that you guys will be learning a painful and well-deserved lesson.

If anyone got screenshots of the thief website please PM me. Stupidly i didn't and am exploring technical options to retrieve it but would be easier if you could just send it over.

Thanks.

Maybe you could send them Alex as you are so confident he has no case will speed up the process we get shot down in flames wont it.

I can't believe how poorly this is being handled by pocarr. Negociating a possible settlement in this thread. Like really?

is all you need even without a screen shot mate he admits there was a theif site

What happens if Marcin decides in a years time he wants to play poker again and continue as per said agreements and with the 24k make up? Does he get his 8k/12k back?

I mean I seriously don't understand how he's offering to pay anything back. He could literally just punt 200 games a month at what ever stakes and you'd drop him eventually.

Since he is living in the EU, the contract was never ever fine with the Eu law.

I see where pocarr is comming from but still this give a ton zo think about for new players who might join the stable but read this before.

So i guess your loss will not be the 24K or what ever he pays back, the loss will future horses who choose an other stable because of this.

Rule is simple if horse quits poker he dont owe anything . It is general rule of poker. If he comes back he must pay make up .This is simple. If you agree with some amount and marcin pays , even he come back you cant ask him that make up bc it is a deal now , he is not your horse anymore. So 24k gone.

About thief site. All over the world even in Turkey you cant share id's passports or his living adresss. Even you are right when you do it , you are responsible against law. It is not a simple law , you will face against going to jail . You can share his name social media adress maybe to help future backers but you cant share his id or adresses.

Also about contract. It is nothing until you pay tax the governments or make legal your company . So why poker rules/contracts are diffrent than others. MoSTly about ethics .

Well he could but then he would be a scumbag, it's also about ethics

Contract being not legally enforceable doesn't necessarily mean u just should ignore it, there's also just ethics and in poker it means something to agree to something.


And thanks for mods to move this, can't have been too fun- appreciated.

like i said only about ethics. SO why we discuss here.

While this is true pocarrs conduct of using blackmail and making unreasonable demands based on said legally unenforceable contracts negates their right to any returns in this case. Pocarr never offered to compromise before this post and site were made. It was a case of pay us back in full or we make a thief website. Ethics have to work both ways and pocarr have clearly broken the bond of trust and stepped over the line first so i feel Marcin is totally justified in paying them nothing at this stage.

Offering a $8k settlement while knowing that they have zero claim to anything legally shows good ethics and a willingness to sort this out amicably. While poker its self is tax free in the U.K and many other jurisdictions running a business with 100 plus employees and paying zero income tax is not. Pocarr do make sure to cover that horses cover the full tax liability of their share however it is stated in the contract. As has been said if pocarr were a actual company and not a casual mob their contracts would be legally enforceable. I previously worked for many years in casinos in the UK and had my gaming licence paid for by the company. It was agreed i would work for them for X amount of time otherwise i would owe them the full cost of the licence. Thats enforceable not these joke pieces of paper pocarr spew out.

Pocarr refers to its self as a business many times over but i would be curious to know if Robtinnion has paid a penny of income tax on all the money he has profited from pocarr and not his own winnings. What country is pocarr based in? According to the whois search of the thief website its based in the USA so would be interesting to see if the IRS has ever heard of pocarr wouldn't it.

Anyway i digress they brought this whole thing on themselves by acting illegally against the wrong person. Know your standing in the business world next time and when your false claims are refuted back down and admit your whole system is built on threats and bluffs.

I don't get the hate on pocarr. People calling them shady and warning people off doing business with them seems a little extreme. They do everything they can to help out their stakees. Coaching, elliot roe sessions, in some instances paying for gym memberships/PT sessions, loans if need be. Sure you can say that they benefit from all this too, but they are running a business. All they ask in return is that you hold up your end.

I do think that asking marcin to play a significantly lower ABI on party to repay 100% of MU is a little unreasonable.

I get that industry standard is that if a player quits he is not liable for the MU, but if he signs an agreement and then breaches the terms numerous times, it doesn't seem right for him to claim "oh industry standard is that if i quit im free". He agreed to 200 games per month or the $ is owed, as it stands he isn't doing that. If there were extenuating circumstances preventing him from doing so then I would be more inclined to side with him, but he just wants to quit because it isn't going well.

I am a pocarr horse though, so I guess Im just trying to score some points with the bosses.

ROFL, as soon as I read the first sentence of post i thought to myself in a half joking way to ask if you're a pocarr horse. I really was surprised someone would defend them given it's a pretty clear consensus from many users who aren't trolls/have good withstanding reputation etc.

As said ppl for the most ppl have more issue with the inappropriate sharing of personal and private information which is given in confidence. It's bullying and a breach of trust and abuse of position, as well as likely illegal/slander etc.

The sites have a time and place, for actual theft but cant just use it for any horse to demand 100pc of money back - this is not how staking works. I'm pretty sure someone got dropped for not making enough volume/watching enough videos and a site was made to demand 100pc of mu. It's a massive concern how much conflict of interest there is - in basically 100pc of cases where horse is in mu, the stable benefits from dropping if they can get 100pc mu back so finding any excuse to drop and demand 100pc is obv unreasonable

I agree with you with regards to sharing of personal and private information.

I don't disagree with you about the remainder of your post either. I was responding to people who think he owes nothing. Do I think 100% is reasonable in all cases? No. There is for sure a conflict. But how can people think he doesn't owe anything when he agreed to certain terms?

Pocarr negated the terms by posting private information first. The terms have no legal basis anyway so its all done via the honour system. He offered $8k paid back at $400 a month which is alot of money with the current GBP to USD exchange rate working a normal job and that wasn't good enough. Not sure what point your making? If reasonable alternatives are dismissed by pocarr what other option is there but to pay nothing? Do you think $8k is reasonable after pocarr violated data privacy laws and used blackmail tactics to get what they wrongly think they are entitled to? Personally think its damn generous when he has a cast iron case to sue for libel and pay zero but guess we all have different opinion.

There is no other investment opportunity in the world where you can get 50% of the upside and all your money back if something goes wrong. Its illegal to try and enforce this agreement using private information on the internet what planet are people on with this seriously.

Edit @red dog

Wasting my time trying to explain to a pocarr horse but will attempt to do so. No other stable demands full repayment when a horse quits poker or any repayment at all makeup is forgiven. Its been like that for years. pocarr make no mention that they will expect the full balance repaying if the horse quits poker all together so your question is just wrong on several levels. You think everything is all fine now but if you fell on hard times and were unable to play poker or repay for whatever reason your name would be up there with a site demanding funds as well. If they made their contracts crystal clear then even though they are legally worthless i guess the horse owes full makeup in the eyes of the poker community if he leaves poker something along these lines.

If the backee quits the stake for any reason including quitting poker the full makeup will be owed.

Clearly nothing like that is written however they prefer to make it vague and bend any situation to their advantage.

How are they wrongly entitled to it when marcin agreed to it with full knowledge of what other backing stables do in similar cases and knowing that pocarr dont agree with that?

this is actually quite pathetic on pocarrs end..
they wonder how they get all this crap.. well it helps when take on literally anyone.
Didn't dimitri chime in and say he only has had 4 cases where he had to put up a site? and yet these guys probably average that monthly.

I love how they made a "do not trust site" (which if they are going by their contracts.. they have 0 right to make one). Throwing you a freebie there Marcin

Also that site it self is a joke... anyone with half a bran will look at it and question its authenticity.
You are trying to post a site to warn people, yet this is something a troll could put together in no time.

You do not post the agreement
Do not post a screen shot of the cashier proving the loans/debts

Smart.... really makes yourselves look "professional"


In regards to this section:


We have offered to lower the monthly amount to $300. Should Marcin make a repayment and stick to it, this site will come down. Marcin owes us $24,043.79


Did i miss something or was that not made public?


But please Marcin pursue legal action. You will win... no question

why is horse only allowed to play on party poker?

maybe hiring an unbiased arbitration team would be a good start

Why would he want arbitration when anyone with a brain knows he has a strong case to win a legal battle against them and they have no case to receive a cent in any court in the world barring North Korea? They don't let their staff quit either.

Seriously doubt any arbitration of rational unbiased people would think $8k being repaid over a reasonable timeframe would be unreasonable and pocarr have already dismissed that so seems pointless don't you think.

Also pocarr didn't offer arbitration before any of this became public they posted a thief website so now the boots on the other foot and they are the ones under pressure of being exposed for their corrupt practises why should Marcin be any more accommodating than they were originally.

there was a post somewhere about his stars acct being banned afaik.
don't recall if it was for personal reasons or something else happened

and agree no arbitration case would be useful cause I do not think pocarr would agree to such a thing.