Something is wrong with me cause I decided to read the posts again instead of sleep ^^.
To add a few things:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3989 is an excellent and relevant post. (Unbiased too)
In fact almost all of the posts on the matter were quite good (doesn't necessarily mean 100% correct or factual, but definitely valid), acbarone, Moshman, Demetri etc honestly pretty much all except a few spam/insult type posts.
The posts and discussion were actually completely (or mostly at least) reasonable from the beginning but obv turned into a ****storm quickly.
There are some tricky things in the case itself and I agree quitting = all MU forgiven is tough for multiple reasons (such as being hard/impossible/impractical to track if guy truly quits etc, new account or different sites or live pro etc, plus "forever" is a long time)..
As I mentioned usually compromise is best and fairest (and if both parties are reasonable seems like the natural ending point) - almost def less than 50% depending on exact circumstances, mu amount reason for quitting etc. Full amount is absurd as others explained - you freeroll and basically make a sick interest loan which is prob illegal. The argument that most don't pay back isn't valid for it not being a freeroll. If others scam and don't pay it's not a reason you can make unreasonable terms.
I'll say that in general most ppl who are "good enough to get staked" are not really in a position where quitting poker "forever" is much of a decent option at all- you guys exaggerate or at least overestimate how easy it is for someone to just quit to forgive MU.
Again, in general I advise against min volume type clauses. Use guidelines/default expectations and pick horses who are reasonable and honest.. problem is when you make people play when they don't want to they will play at best worst than normal and at worst can purposely play bad to drop money to force you to drop them or similar. Most of the time it's ofc in the middle of the spectrum. I obviously understand if you aren't totally fish then you'll be flexible and allow exception upon discussion but this is still worth a mention..
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ne...ply&p=51112853
This is a good example imo- obviously what he did with the $1/2 games isn't great but it's better than punting at his regular games just because he "has to play".. in fact, that shows time maybe wasn't the issue and he didn't want to play regular games due to not feeling comfortable (confidence for example, or stress that means he doesn't expect to play a game).
Don't think this was ever disputed but absolutely clear that actual loans given[/B] are always 100% owed, obviously, and separates from make up from games played (even if it was added to make up during the deal).
Also rob basically just spammed multiple times whilst contributing nothing (actually hurting his company, and to a lesser extent personal, rep)
Again +1 that this should get its own thread/discussion.
The thief site should be taken down asap. It is absolutely insanely out of line and likely illegal etc. I don't know if any single person ITT would think it's close to reasonable, yet many would agree negative feedback is appropriate.
Seriously! What reason is there to put address and ph number other than blackmailing him?!
Likely looks like you're both in the wrong, he should offer more than 0, you shouldn't expect/demand 100%, and not make this site.
Last edited by OMGClayDol; 11-05-2016 at 11:18 PM.