Doesnt it mean that you owe whole MU again, so basically you quit poker for a week only yeah .... you are pathetic....

If someone's offering to back Marcin and buy the MU then all's resolved and both parties can move on with their lives. Everyone's happy.

So you are not quitting poker?

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this is getting much more fun by the minute.
looks like both parties are looking just as guilty now.

You just said you are not quitting poker-what position do you have to make demands ?

Except they aren't going to buy his makeup at anything close to 100%. It would be lower than 25% in all likelihood which is less than the buyout numbers they couldn't even agree to. There's also the problem of the fact that it doesn't appear the people who approached him want to buy the makeup anyways, they are just willing to stake him. Somehow Marcin doesn't realize he can't just say f u and play poker makeup free now just because the settlement negotiations fell through? Both parties have handled this whole thing ridiculously terribly at every turn.

It could equally be because making a site involves a cost and the bank isn't gonna do that for no return. they get their money back by foreclosing on the mortgage , selling the house and suing for any shortfall. if you fall behind with bills , you'll likely be taken to court and then find the bailiffs knocking on your door wanting the money or taking your assets to sell and recover the money that way.

I see Marcin friends discussing taxes, contracts "viability"( if they are legal/ force people to pay or are worthless), if site is legal or not but i dont see any of them justifying him playing off stake games which is the same as stealing, not having 10 mins during months to answer and update his backers...
The thing with poker stars closing his account...do you really think stars is closing accounts without strong evidence that you are guilty?
Now he says he will return to poker. One day he wants to be a Doctor the other he wants to be an Astronaut.
IMO you are scummy as hell and you owe 100% of make up.

Good job your opinion is worthless then isn't it as you clearly are biased with your see my coaching subtitle and totally clueless also. Stars have banned or restricted many peoples account for having a relationship with another person be it transferring funds or playing from the same IP address. Playing some off stake games and replacing the funds is far from stealing. If pocarr had such a huge problem with this "theft" why are we waiting till now to hear about it? Because it suited their purpose at the time and were happy to keep making money. Now the money making machine has grinded to a halt all previous transgressions are being revealed because it suits them.

Good point seems offering 33% of the total to be repaid over 18 months is extremely fair judging by what the market rate would be for the markup being sold.

Your posts generally come across as intelligent but you clearly have no clue what you're talking about in this regard i suggest you do some research on the subject.

Disregarding the makeup and ethical questions about Marcins conduct pocarr should also have some accountability about how they conduct themselves as well. I have spoken to 3 other stable owners in private and all agree this thread would of never happened as they wouldn't of demanded 100% of the makeup then used the private information they collected as a blackmail tool. Offering to repay 33% of the makeup is a clear case of showing good will. pocarr were even willing to accept 33% but wanted it paid in a week. While i can't condone walking out on makeup and playing poker again while paying nothing pocarrs gestapo tactics have created the whole situation and destroyed any good will on either side.

pocarr fail to mention that Marcin got out of $20k+ makeup on 3 separate occasions. There was a big change in the games that were allowed to be played due to pokerstars putting down the hammer on the ROI of mtts. So this time while in 20+ makeup the games which could be played made the situation seem close to impossible.

Won't deny i am biased either but i have kept everything i posted factual and not made claims of loans that were never repaid when they were and missed out months on the timeline where the horse worked hard and made alot of money.

You and Marcin are friends. Stop posting here. You have no clue about staking.

So only stakers like yourself should have the right to post in such threads as they "have a clue"? Don't make me laugh you didn't even know about guilt by association on pokerstars so that shows the extent of your knowledge about the staking world. Go back to staking your 3 players on WPN or whatever you do. Looked for your thread but seems you couldn't afford the $100 a month 2+2 charges anymore.

As i said im not defending Marcin if he decides to play poker again while making no settlement about the makeup but i can understand it with how he has been treated. All these staking threads are always all about the evil horse and how they did everything wrong possible and the staking group are a shining beacon of light in the community. Only seems fair to shine some light on how these staking groups operate also if they wish to bring their dirty laundry into public.

In fairness you haven't shown you know much about staking either..

Is this guy for real? lmao

im no ones friend here and you have no clue about eu laws it seems i dont rele care about for plays for who or who owes who what you just cant post **** you want online with no consequences there are privacy laws in the eu deal with it laws are for everyone poor ppl and rich ppl no one is above the law if someone steals from you go to the police or take them to court

Both parties have looked pretty bad here, but that doesn't excuse the MU being owed if Marcin returns to getting staked.

As much as I enjoy reading this thread armed with a full bucket of popcorn, both Marcin and Pocarr should at least be aware of how they're presenting themselves to the community. If I was a horse, I'd be much more leery of joining Pocarr after reading this thread and as a backer, I wouldn't want to stake Marcin.

Clearly its you that has no idea what he's talking about . You are claiming that banks don't make these sites because of data protection issues. That is irrelevent, most of their loans are secured loans so that if the client fails to repay the asset that has been used to secure the loan is at risk of seizure by the bank to settle the outstanding balance. For unsecured loans , banks don't lend unless they know that the client has sufficient assets that can be monetised to settle any outstanding sums.

if you want unsecured credit with a poor credit history , you are left with the pay day loan type companies to deal with with truly extortionate interest rates. Failure to pay will result in being sued and bailiffs sent in to recover the money due either through a payment plan or seizure of debtors assets
not quite what happened , Marcin offered 25% at $400 per month and pocarr said they would accept 33% to be paid within a week, presumably on the understanding that he was quitting poker.I doubt that they would have said that if they thought he would start playing for someone else anytime soon.

If you don't want people to dismiss your right to post on a subject, you shouldn't start by doing pretty much the same thing to them:

Also, calling someone's opinion worthless as you think they're biased simply because they're in the business, while you have no issues offering your opinions in spite of the fact that you apparently referred Marcin to pocarr, is, um...I hardly know what to say. Beyond absurd, to say the least.

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So if someone doesn't agree with you, you feel that it's necessary to personally insult and attack someone in order to get your point across?

The whole purpose of this thread was to figure out whether or not Marcin owed MU if he quit poker. It seems as though he has no intention of doing so based on his own post from yesterday.

He already said that he has part time backing, no ?. I think it wipes out all settlements, and he just owes full MU imo. Im also backed btw by stable, and it would be quite unfair, if somebody can just switch backer and just start clean...while i work my ass off to clear MU-ps. Or you suggest its okay, that mentality"**** i dont like the games im offered, MU is too big, i just start over with new backer and **** the old backer" ?

Sure he owe's the make up if he want's to continue to play but if pocarr won't let him play reasonable games and expect a player to spend literally years working it off at the lowest variance games possible well then that's not reasonable either. At the end of the day if/when pocarr lose there make up here it's because there a pos company that blackmails a lot of there players and are highly unreasonable.

Should note I don't agree with anyone walking out on make up, I also don't agree with not letting a horse play reasonable games to work off the debt.

A lot of the argument about the validity of the contract would have been very valid points to raise...before signing it. Whether or not you think the contract is fair or reasonable or industry standard isn't as relevant to me as - Did he understand it and did he agree to it? I haven't heard anything to make me think not.

As for jurisdiction (the whole discussion of "this wouldn't be allowed in Europe"), every contract I've ever read specifies where jurisdiction of disputes will be resolved. Does that not exist in this contract?

As for jurisdiction (the whole discussion of "this wouldn't be allowed in Europe"), every contract I've ever read specifies where jurisdiction of disputes will be resolved. Does that not exist in this contract?[/QUOTE]

good point no one has brought that up.

give it a day for pocarr to google search some cheap lawyer again

isn't it obvious? jurisdiction for resolving disputes is transaction feedback forum at 2+2

Struggling to understand how someone who won the sunday mil for 230k hasn't got any money saved. Wtf are you spending your 50% profit on?