not gonna get into the main points but just want to say I think its totally unreasonable of Pocarr to place such short time limits on thousands of dollars of repayments. He obviously doesnt have it, how can you expect him to pay it so quickly? Especially as hes now returning to civilian life and will need to pay living expenses from a regular wage without the prospect of some sort of win from poker to pay these off more quickly.

I think you need to be more realistic in terms of how much people can pay and in what timeframes when they are broke

Some people need to realise that the world doesn't owe them anything.
You signed the contract. You decided to play off stake games. You decided to take a loan. You got your Stars account banned. You shut down and didn't communicate with Pocarr. You didn't try to get anything sorted on other sites when you weren't happy.

No, Pocarr aren't perfect in the way they went about trying to get back the money, but currently, there's no real way they can get it back, so the threat of a website is something they can do. They've said in the thread, they're happy to listen to suggestions of alternatives.

These guys are reasonable and as long as you're open with them and talk to them, they'll do their best to accommodate. You didn't want to work off your MU, so you tried to come up with some BS about quitting thinking you'd get off for free. You didn't so now you and all your friends are throwing your toys out the pram. What you should do is get yourself together and spend time when you're not working grinding sites you can play on at stakes they allow, along with working on your game, to clear the make-up.

Found it rather interesting that when I opened the lobby of a tourney I played yesterday, MARCIN123 was registered and playing in it. This, despite Marcin's Pokerstars account being banned and him "quitting poker forever".

Coincidentally, Marcin123 is now blocked on all poker tracking sites. Hmmmm, shady.

Both sides have acted badly in this dispute. I wouldn't deal with either one of them.

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grats on the deep run i guess. surely this means he can either keep playing for pocarr or owes all makeup?

pretty sure this must have been a hacker who read that he was no longer playing so decided to play with pocarrs remaining funds in the account.

wow

doesn't look like hes burned out anymore

So nothing has changed.

Marcin is still grinding and dodging his makeup, and Pocarr is still abusing their horses, treating them like property, and casually wrecking their lives with their wildly disproportionately offensive websites in response to disagreements.

A nice pair of undesirables.

He did make 2 offers of payment despite the treatment he received. Also the timeline they posted is comical at best. In 2015 marcin played over 15000 mtts on stars alone and came 4th in the yearly tlb. That goes above and beyond the 200 games a month required of horses then as soon any problem occurs there is no comprimise they treat him the same as a horse who never plays a game and steals the starting bankroll. Personally think they can go **** themselves and sort out their business practises before gaining back any respect.

Very kind of them to give him some time off early in 2016 and post it as a sign of how reasonable they are isn't it. You ever played 15000 mtts in your life keith never mind in 12 months. Can totally understand feeling burnt out after that grind.

Everyone came to the conclusion that if he quit he wouldn't owe 100% of MU. Looks like he hasn't quit.

Mark pls..

This looks like a angleshoot from you and Marcin from the start. Asking the community to side with you on obvious grounds (xxxisathief.com/privacy laws) so the amount of MU would be lowered or even waved away.

Marcin has a regular job, has won triple crowns, but can't pay $500. Yet he manages to spent the same equivalent on mtts in 2 days on a account that was supposed to be locked.

Sounds scummy to me and Marcin obv has not quit --> ful amount of MU owned.

Pocket5s triple crown is one of the least relevant achievements possible

Just for the record, even though we and the community feel we're entitled to the full makeup amount. The previous offer of $400/month for half the makeup (12k) or a one time payment of $8k is still on the table.

MARCIN123 is currently at my Hot $27 table, and what is even more suspicious is his Sharkscope has been unlocked and his stars search is on. This would lead me to believe he is now staked by someone else. So to Marcin and all the people who defended him, what is the reason for this 360 turn around when he was "quitting poker for good" not too long ago?

Just a lurker to 2p2. When I first read this thread, my sympathy was to Marcin. I think, and still do, that Pocar were out of line in a number of ways.

However I came across the username 'fagtinnion' on party tonight. He won a $55 comp for about $1.3K. This alias is linked to his pocket5s account. He has deleted all of his previous poker IDs, but the P5 profile has been active since 2010 so it def him.

This kind of derogatory and offensive alias, plus him editing his P5 account shows that this individual is very childish and petty indeed. He could have easily got a new party account and gone under the radar, but this guy certainly has issues to go about his business this way.

GL to Pocar IMO.

Not bad, only 1,200 games played on Party and Pokerstars this year. Of course everyone who is "quitting poker for good" plays over 400 games a month over a span of 3 months. Surprisingly he couldn't meet the 200 games a month requirement when in makeup with Pocarr though.......

The post above only solidifies Marcin was a scumbag from the start and the whole "quitting poker for good" bull**** was just a cop out to avoid clearing/paying back part of makeup, including going as far as self-exclusion from stars! No surprise to hear crickets from the people who defended Marcin since my last post.

Yeah legit scumbag. Wonder what u shove has to say about this? They are close friends iirc.

Was done with this thread but seeing as Patrick has directly asked me what i have to say and i respect him as a player and a person i will answer.

fagtinnion isn't Marcin he just added it to his P5s profile. Clearly petulant behaviour but pocarr have done worse with their blackmail sites only mentioning the negatives of any relationship.

fagtinnion should be changed to dishonesttinnion really with the prices he charges on his training site. Will choose my words carefully as he advertises on this site but the whole thing is a sham designed to sucker in people who don't know better. Binking a few huge field mtts while grinding a $25 abi doesn't make you a poker genius. If i wanted to pay $750 a hour i would look to the poster above and his circle of friends they are actually worth it and not charlatans looking to rip off less informed individuals.

Wont be posting again think what you like about my stance i don't really care. If people label me as a scumbag for standing up for a friend while being slandered publicly and trying to help negotiate a settlement between the parties then guess i will live with it.

Currently about 400/1200 in the Sunday Million

Must be someone using his account as he was clearly quitting a few months back

this is indeed a clear rip off, this hourly is absolutely ridiculous. Pokercoaches in general are overcharging, some being more worth it than others whatever, but what in the actual f is this?

You have to look at things in their entirety to understand pricing. Rob is well aware there are lower-priced coaching options out there but it's not worth it to him personally to provide 1-on-1 coaching in his opinion, for less than $750/hr.

Consider someone with $500k to their name in Colombia. This individual can retire and has no need to work any job the rest of their life.

Consider someone with $500k to their name in New York City with a family. This individual cannot retire and must work and continue to bring in money.

These are two individuals with the same amount of money and pretend they have the same skill set. The first is going to say he needs $1k/hr to collect trash. The second guy might do it for $20/hr.

Rob has decided he does not care to be providing 1-on-1 coaching for less than $750/hr. That's his right to do that. He has LOTS of other material that is available for free, $55, $109, etc. He's understandably going to get asked if he provides 1-on-1 coaching from people and thus he listed it on his site to avoid getting spammed that question.

Rob is a fantastic poker player and is not looking to provide lots of 1-on-1 coaching. He's a smart guy and intentionally priced this way. If he wanted to grind out lots of 1-on-1 coaching he would price things differently. He decided that if someone wants 1-on-1 coaching, he'll do it at that price point. Otherwise he doesn't want to bother.

As to whether he's "scamming" people with this price, of course he's not. If someone wants poker coaching and googles "poker coach", I counted 7 major training sites that pop up on the first 2 pages. It's no secret what is available, how much other places charge, etc. No one spends $750/hr without doing a quick google search and seeing what else is available. If they do, money is no object for them.

It's not a scam. The price is advertised clearly, however ridiculous, but the people who buy it have too much money to care or are idiots.

Its not a scam in the same way stakekings isn't a scam. The prices are clearly stated there as well.

Comical reasoning really you say he doesn't want to do much 1-1 coaching yet he starts a twitch channel doing givaways every hour to buy viewers and get exposure on his max scam site. He advertises on this forum and paid a professional writer to write up one of those over the top conman type introductions to his product.

Truth is a above average mtt reg hit lightening in a bottle a few times and tried to capitalise on it. Id pay a higher coaching fee to a breakeven 100nl reg than to most mtt players.

Gone way off topic here and im to blame for that but im hopeful going forward pocarr have learnt that treating the people you have making money for you like property isnt GTO.

As people have said players rarely quit poker forever and before all this started it was made clear to pocarr that if Marcin returned to poker in any way that the full makeup was reactivated. Obviously that doesn't get mentioned on the thief/trust sites. Is it 3 or 4 iterations of that site you have made based on your ask me $5 attorneys advice i forgot?

Instead of accepting that or trying to arrange for a lower buyout you make a thief/blackmail site within 2 days. You made your bed you lie in it and it hopefully taught you a lesson about decent human behaviour.