Hey all, I have never had to post in here before, but just tired of dealing with this and it seems Kevin has no intention of paying this small balance we have had since 2 scoops ago.

Basically, I sold Kevin some PS funds right after Monaco and he gave me a CAD bank transfer and after the exchange it ended up being around 1400 CAD short. Not a big deal and nobodies fault. He said he would send the rest. I never really kept on it, every few months I would hit him up and he would always have an excuse. Ran into him in March at a live event at the playground and we were at the same table. He brought it up that he owed me some money and would get it to me by the end of the day. Never got anything. Sent him a pm asking if we could get squared up and he confirmed that he owed me 1400. Then I heard nothing for over a month, after I PMed a few more times.

As you can see I never really kept on top of this thinking maybe he could not come up with it at the time and I really didn't mind. Just figured he would pay me when he was able to.

Today I PMed him again and to my surprise he responded to me basically saying he is not paying me because he says I invited some of his friends to a private rigged game... First off that sucks they feel that way but if these friends of his have such an issue why have they not talked with me directly? I was bringing this friend of his(my roommate at the time) to these games and buying/swapping pretty good chunks because the games were soft. If the game was rigged then I was also getting scammed, but I am up in all these games he talks about and so are the few other pros that play in them. Obviously the friend of his did not win in the games or the person that his friend brought. I can go into more detail on all this but don't really see the point or how he feels this is a good excuse to not pay me back.


Just putting this out there for people to know as I feel like this is a very ridicules way to to avoid paying a debt.

Even if his point his true, it has nothing to do with your transaction with him and therefore wouldn't null any funds he owes you.

He needs to pay you in full. This is straight up "stealing" from you. Fault is a bit on you because you weren't very serious about collecting (I know this because if someone owes me money in person, especially at my table, I'm following them on breaks, getting room number etc). You also said a few months passed and that you failed to stay on-top of it.

Edit: You've also made the mistake of trusting him this long, you should of really pushed it when you saw him in person.. I'm sure you know this.

2nd Edit: A sign that HE BROUGHT up the debt was probably to avoid any confrontation at the table... by him bringing it up, it gives you a sense of trust because what scammer is going to bring up HIS debt, then run... right? Simply because if he brings it up, he either admits his debt and looks bad or he denies it.. which gets ugly. If he makes it like "Ehh don't I owe you money?" it makes it seem like its not a big deal and that he'll handle it.. when he knows he won't. Hope that makes sense :P. It shows me that this individual probably has an experience with ducking/dodging debts or scamming in general.

Either way, doesn't give him a reason to not pay you. He owes you the funds if OP's story checks out, in my opinion.

Good luck!

at the Rio and ordering All American Dave. if you have a friend there I'd ask them to go and collect

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the this Knittle.

You are definitely right in that I am at fault for not being on the ball in terms of collecting and trusting this guy.

the 2nd edit is an interesting breakdown of that type of thought process. Very well said. I have no idea if those were his intensions or not but if so he fooled me.

Yeah alex has a good rep , you should pay him back . If I see you I'll ask for the money that you clearly owe him since alex can't make it to Vegas this year .

Thanks for the help Ben

Just got a transfer of 1500 from Kevin! We had agreed it was 1400 so he even sent a little extra. Great result to see someone do the right thing.

Protocol as far as this thread now? Can it be taken down?

Good to hear, these threads can really work.

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I never said I wasn't going to pay him, but I said I was going to slowpay the **** out of him because my friends said he is scum... They lost heaps of cash in the same rigged game that he kept inviting pros to & swapping pieces with to make it look legit. He runs a sportsbook operation and the same guys that run the game have a piece of it. A lot of suspect hand histories of guys limp reraising T442 vs dsAAxx and winning massive pots. The friends of mine heard rumors of RDIF cards being used. Apparently Lex Veldhaus lost 100k+ in these games too

I told him exactly why I was slowplaying him... because my buddies told me he is scum and based on my experiences with him I think Alex is a huge piece of ****

If he invites you to a private game... don't go

you could start your own thread

lol +1

Solid Post Kevin.

I will just point out what is actually true as I am 100% sure that anyone who knows me can confirm this being complete BS.

1. Your friend and his friend lost in the games (Probably didn't help that one of them would get so high during the games he could not even form sentences and the other drank copious amounts of alcohol well playing.)

2. Agreed on the suspect HHs. They do like to gamble and they do tend to win from time to time.

3.This friend of yours that heard a rumour of RFID cards actually came from my brother as well as myself. As a pro playing in any private hs game with tons of action, cheating etc is something that always needs to be watched out for and after seeing how crazy these games were (Plus a few big losses) I wanted to be sure I was not being cheated. As far as I could tell I was not and was and am still comfortable playing in these games

4. I only played in a few games with Lex but I did hear he allegedly had a big upswing then a big downswing in the games but like I said only played a few sessions with him so can't confirm or deny it. ( At the time they would not always let me have seats in all the games so I did miss a lot of the action)

5. Kevin would you mind elaborating on the experiences you have had with me please? Other then me selling you funds on PS, getting shorted by you and giving you over a year to pay me back with nothing but a few PMs here and there. Unless I am forgetting something I do believe that is the only interaction we have had correct?

I don't feel a need to address anything else that was said as it just isn't true.

even if the stuff you claimed was true it wouldn't justify "slowplaying" anyone (not even sure what that means, like either you pay what you rightfully owe or you dont). i dont know either one of the parties involved but your attitude comes off as pretty scummy. not paying someone for a trade because you heard from your buddies that your traders buddies cheated in a hs game is simply wrong.

Sure I'll follow point by point

1. Losing happens when you get invited to a rigged game. They drank a few glasses of wine & if they were getting as ****ed up as you claim & are your friends why didn't you do something while they were getting destroyed? Also, you still don't deny having business affiliations with the people that run the game.

2/3. You admit that there was scrutiny from others that there was RDIF cards being used. You try to cover it up by saying you brought it to his attention as well AFTER he heard it from someone else. So, it is confirmed at the very least you invited my friends to a game that could have had RDIF chips in them. At the very worst, you lured them into the game & swapped action to cover up the fact that the game was in fact rigged and set up for the sole purpose of cheating my friends. They lost a significant amount of money in a game YOU invited them to & you brush off responsibility by saying "cheating is something that needs to be watched out for." ... ya thats the point of calling you out as a scumbag for inviting your "friends" to a suspect game and watch them lose heaps.

3. Of course YOU are comfortable in the game if you have a piece of it or chop actions with others in the game. I'm accusing you of scumming people in the game so of course you'd continue playing it and inviting new marks to get hustled.

4. You can't confirmed or deny... so that basically means noting. However, I hear that he got taken for 100k+ and I haven't heard of any pro that is beating the game. If my accusations are true for an unregulated illegal game that you are regularly inviting "friends" to then there certainly needs to be some recognition in the community to self regulate some things of this nature.

5. You know exactly why you are slimy beyond this situation and it is the inappropriate way that you treat people you pretend are your friends. You've crossed the line in social situations multiple times. Regardless, considering this slowpay... it was your accounting error in the first place that even led to this dispute. I sent the full amount of what I asked for in the initial swap.
I said I had CAD E-transfer and you sent in USD. How is that my fault? It was only way after the fact that you realized your mistake and messaged me claiming that I still owed you money. I have asked multiple times to see the transaction history and currency dispute and still haven't seen it, but sent it anyway because you are a whiny little ***** that couldn't wait until you got to Vegas to get paid. I absolutely did not pay because of this thread its because I haven't given you one though for such a small amount. You were just butt hurt that I called you out for being a scumbag in our twitter private message exchange and decided to make this irrelevant thread in an attempt to tarnish my name. I've been around this game way longer than you, on the international circuit and never had any disputes. Yet I hear constant chatter about your a scumbag.

6. Obviously, you know you have to give me back the extra $100 I sent also. I do find it funny that you think you are somehow owed any extra amount sent. I think it does echo your lack of ethics and sense of entitlement. The reason I sent the wrong amount is because you are so far off my ****ing radar I could give a **** care less about you or wtv the **** this debt is esp since you haven't shown documentation ever once & its for such a small amount. It was purely accidentally sent $100 too much

Why do you think you don't have to address things because they are "not true"? I am making real accusations about your reputation in this community. You are going to have to come up with something better than they are simply "not true" to deal with allegations of this magnitude. You don't address anything detail.

The story here isn't how I've paid an old debt that was your fault for happening in the first place. The story here is how you **** over pros in rigged games for copious amounts of money and brush it off with lame dismissals and deflections...

1. As far as the drinking I am not claiming anything, just stating the facts. This friend I was bringing wanted to bring his backer/friend to the games and I vouched for both my friend and his. I checked in multiple times with my friend confirming all was good in terms of the amount of money he was getting in for and so on, since I was the one responsible for coming up with this money. I don't know where you are getting this info but I have zero connection through anyone in that game other then getting paid and paying out when I lose.

2. I did not lure anyone. I brought my roommate to the games and he wanted to bring is friend/backer like I said. In terms of the integrity of the game it was something I talked about with the 1 or 2 other pros in the game from time to time. Again I did not invite anyone other then my roommate at the time to the games. I just had to vouch for the person he brought. In fact in the 2 years I have been playing these games I have invited a total of 2 people. I am not trying to bring in all kinds of pros to a private game I am winning in. The only reason I brought our mutual friend was because he was my roommate and he wanted to come.

3. No clue where you are getting your info but I have zero to do with these games other then playing in them from time to time and when they let me have a seat. Again, I have invited a total of 2 people in the 2 years or so of me playing in these games.

4.^^


5. "You know exactly why you are slimy beyond this situation and it is the inappropriate way that you treat people you pretend are your friends. You've crossed the line in social situations multiple times"

Can you please elaborate on this Kevin?

"I have asked multiple times to see the transaction history and currency dispute and still haven't seen it"

Maybe I missed this but I don't recall you ever asking me this in the 14 or so months of you owing me. In fact I will just copy paste our convo.

05/07/2016 10:19AM


Kevin
Do you got extra stars you can sell for CAD?

05/07/2016 12:13PM
Alex
Yo just landed

you are in Amsterdam ? Yea I guess so. I can just exchange at casino right ? Because I need some extra cash for wpt

would be perfect actually

05/07/2016 1:55PM


Kevin
Nah I am in Montreal

Looking to wire some CAD for stars

05/07/2016 3:07PM
Alex
Ah shoot

how much ?



Kevin
20k would be nice

Alex
For right now most I can get rid of is 5k



Kevin
Ok no worries

For CAD transfer is ok ?

Alex
Ya I just have bmo

Account: *******
Financial institution: ***
Transit: *****

just let me know and I'll send it over



Kevin
ok let me see if I can do it online

think the max is like 3k per day

Alex
Ya it is. But my account is blocked from receiving for some reason. Need to get you an other email to send to

Alex
Any chance you can just deposit funds in my bmo or wire?

I can send it and you can do Monday if you can

05/07/2016 6:56PM


Kevin
Ya I have BMO

Shouldn't be a problem

05/08/2016 4:13AM
Alex
Cool
Just so I'm sure the right lucksac you are send me sn and I'll send it over

05/08/2016 6:53AM


Kevin
ImaLuckSac

Alex
Cool had to send in euro since all I got. GL today!

05/10/2016 4:29PM
Alex
Yo having some trouble getting extra euros out here. I know it might be tough with scoop grind going on but you think you can get those funds in my bmo today. Trying to buy in with debit card now

05/11/2016 8:59AM


Kevin
Ah **** bro just saw this

Maybe Bryn can help you out ?

Alex
Ya no worries... Ya having no luck finding any still. Bryan has not gotten back to me either.

I'm going to walk down to the poker and see if I can find anyone there



Kevin
Maybe Bryn can sort it out

05/11/2016 12:29PM



I asked and he said he can maybe get it tomorrow

guy who could get it today isn't around the casino yet

Alex
Cool man appreciate you asking. I don't mind buying in tomorrow

05/12/2016 1:00PM


Kevin
Yo sent through that $5k

Sorry I couldn't sort out €

05/13/2016 2:56AM
Alex
No worries man Bryn actually sorted it out so Ty !

05/13/2016 6:08PM


Kevin
ok sweet thats awesome

you got the transfer too ya?

so we are settled up?

Alex
Not 100% sure but I think I sent whatever 5k us was in euro.

So only like 1400 more CAD

you can just email it to brother

*********@gmail.com

05/15/2016 3:00PM
Alex
So I'm looking for stars now if you know anyone I can wire or email to

06/24/2016 1:43PM
Alex
Hey man I think we still got a little balance from when i sent you stars before scoop

nbd

just whenever u can

09/07/2016 12:49PM
Alex
yo I think our number is 1400 CAD

ship when you can and GL today

09/16/2016 9:48AM
Alex
Hey Kevin are you able to ship that loot over on stars ?



Kevin
I can ship $30


Probably better to do an e-transfer

Alex
haha kk

********@gmail.com



Kevin
But I am maxed out atm

Alex
all good



Kevin
Too much money going out not enough in

Alex
whenever you can






11/03/2016 1:01PM
Alex
Hey Kevin hope all is well man! I keep forgetting to get in touch. Let's square this 1400 if possible. You can EMT or send stars to Dynoalot


FEB 10TH, 3:59PM
Alex
Yo Kevin can we square up that balance? I'm few tables down




I am not sure what you mean by "I have asked multiple times" Kevin. You did not ask me multiple times let alone 1 time. This is also something you can look into yourself.

6. I will send you back that 100 ASAP.


7. My rep is just fine. I also don't get why your friends have not just confronted me about this? I have not heard from my roommate or his friend about any of this. In fact I bought action from the friend/backer months after this. I believe more then one time and all went smooth with not a word about him being upset about the games we played in.

I have no knowledge of the issue regarding this home game or regarding Kevin and OP's debt and resolution thereof. I did feel compelled however to say something in defense of Kevin.

I have known Kevin for over 4 years and have found him to be extremely honorable in all financial dealings. We have swapped often, bought pieces all of which have been immediately paid. Last summer at Barcelona, I gave Kevin a significant number Euros as I was leaving Europe, and he needed them. The repayment came exactly as he promised despite bank limitations of transfer. Kevin has always been a man of his word to me, and from my knowledge of those around him, I believe others would state similarly.

I would say Kevin is a good friend of mine to be fair. I know him well though, and there are few people in poker I would trust as highly.

My two cents FWIW

Alex, you pretend like my friend never said anything but YOU blocked him on Facebook & act like you don't know what's going on... please

You invited my friends to a private game that was likely rigged & don't take any accountability.

Oh & still waiting on that $100 dollars ��

The 100 was sent the day I saw you asked for it when I made my last post. I sent to your stars SN.

I don't have a FB. It has been deactivated for almost 6 months but nobody is blocked. Both your friends have my phone number.

It is incredible how many times you have outright lied in this thread to make your story sound better.

I have been completely transparent in this situation and have nothing to hide. I also feel I have addressed everything you said in detail.

You guys are terrible people. No wonder I never go on 2+2

I was sticking up for my friends & verbalized a major issue. The issue gets derailed by talk of my ex & accusing me of being busto (lol) even though I settled. 2+2 is for trolls and little ***** nerds. ~peace

Oh and don't play in any homegamrs in toronto & this Alex Defelice is a scumbag pos

I hardly think one person posting about your ex and two or three posts about you being busto is that big a derail. A post report would've looked after that, but I've taken care of it.

Meanwhile, you having "verbalized a major issue", as far as I've noticed, consisted solely of a second-hand report of a game being rigged, with nothing more to back it up. Did I miss anything, or is that it? I mean, aside from you using said anecdotal report to conclude definitively that the game was rigged, and stating as much in this thread - multiple times.