Hi guys, i am posting this to basically give people the warning i didnt see when i loaned Kalthorr $2k (Yes, i missed 400 red flags and shouldnt have sent him a penny...)
I added him from chatting on tables and this was our first msgs, its his account that is in his group on discord and also he shared LB that shows its him:

https://gyazo.com/72e50eb4f2c9aaf9ad26ca7fdb48e50a
https://gyazo.com/27359236d6ae8d7417f997745f8ab5ee

This is his twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/kalthorr, he was streaming as i loaned him the money and if could be bothered id find the vod where i say "tired going to bed check discord if needed" to which he then asks for the loan.

Long story short we chatted a TON (going through it as i go right now to share the parts i am relevant as alot of it was just chit chatting) and had talks about coaching, and long term coaching for profits possibly. He told me about his high hourly, how much he was up last week and that day and stuff like how he played highrollers and got sucked out on, how he has a penthouse in malta and apartment in norway. (im not sure if this is true, or if it is purposefully making me more comfortable to send him money because it seems like pocket change to him, which obviously it isnt to anyone reasonable IMO. I would have been a little more empathetic if he reached out at some point saying he ****ed up, cant pay or just about anything. Anyways heres some screens:

https://gyazo.com/7d7009eb7adc7a0e556b09b578a00d3f
https://gyazo.com/31a3dbb84d8acad4b7bb8e7b87516f11
https://gyazo.com/4c15b89eebe699799ca4652ce7904563
https://gyazo.com/7e5529ea6a432ec3c8d73262d18bea18
https://gyazo.com/91b14d07a908c098a94334c8be3c40ff

Whining about every spot ever
https://gyazo.com/81687a01df74a13ad593665170d49115

Classic degen reasoning
https://gyazo.com/78ac278ca312006e7938d24bd932232b

After a few days of chatting about coaching, graphs, and a bunch of random topics he asked me to pre-pay for 10h of coaching.
https://gyazo.com/4c15b89eebe699799ca4652ce7904563
Asks for pre-payment (im moving soon and didnt want to start until after, which is like 3 weeks from now)
https://gyazo.com/d807856d8c85bd10fc1f72ce7585f904
I am already kinda not at ease and was playing an ft at the time so said something something, then he rather take 2k loan than 1k pre payment (presumably because he is going to steal it, lol)
https://gyazo.com/8353b9ee4d1f4efc78d25be943459aaf
I also posted that i sent:
https://gyazo.com/2186f742b9504d7bc5ac9972a752ebe8

He confirms recieving it:
https://gyazo.com/4d3e0d8efa980d650754cc53363efc4c

Confirming once again (i was feeling it was off i guess but stupidly agreed)
https://gyazo.com/6382daa11facbfc52c8926f61c0c5407

Last i heard from him:
https://gyazo.com/c464993ceec921b0df0b0b62c4170d66
https://gyazo.com/4975432601c451d772763f8e879eb10d

Tried writing him on instagram, someone called him and i am just being completely ghosted. From what ive learned there are more people than me affected as i have been messaged by one person who is owed more than me from the exact same time period, however i will not speak for them or out them, but have multiple people basically confirming he is a big degenerate, and should not be loaned money. I was debating posting this but hearing about others and also bigger amounts that arent paid i felt like i have to try and provide a warning that i didnt see until after i had given him money. I personally think once i get ghosted and a 2 day loan goes 10+ days over deadline ive been patient enough. I also tried chatting to him on the tables once, he sat out at first as his stacks didnt change in the lobby then proceeded to never vpip in to me or after me, im sure he folded aces one time atleast lol).

I have far more red flags in our conversation but am just drained from this **** and want it behind me, and felt this should be enough to prove that he is not a guy worth trusting, and should absolutely not be loaned any money.

where was the scam? you borrowed him money he didn't scam you, and why on earth you think there is any reason to post 1000000 gyazos here that not ONE person will click is really confusing, who cares anyway nothing can and nothing will happen even if he doesnt pay u

The idea is to prevent other people from blindly loaning money that they are unlikely to get back obviously.

I clicked most of the gyazos so at least one person clicked. Maybe you can be less confused now.

I also clicked the gyazos so thats up to 2 people.
However you are involved (which as this is your first post here you are 99% either the scammer or involved in it in some way) maybe reach out to Kalthorr and get him to repay his debts or at least come clean about them.
The way this guy talks is classic scammer.
Also borrowing 2k and then disappearing instantly is a scam.

Hi Kalthorr! This is in fact a textbook example of a scam.

Also checked the gyazos
You can clearly see from his streams he has mental issues, i dont understand why gg sponsors him. After that im so drunk msgs, i would try to search him a good therapist, not lending him money

Gonna ignore the first ****** (either kalthorr or one of his even weirder group hero. Basically cheering on this degen alcohilic so broke that he needs to pretend to function just so he cen get his smashed in the next week again to drown the sorrorows. Appreciate u guys telling mr_obvious what thepoint of this thread is, if im at $2k, someone at 5k from same time, someone in his dis for ****en 50$. Seent the poor fella afreeroll in an acr 109. But they makeso many excuses for almost didnt bother posting "ah great guy, just an aloholic degen who cant be trusted with money. but great guy" and how (not sure how really but i assume he realized i knew **** all about 100bb (takes one to know one..) talk abaout all his money, apartments and ****, yet looks fatter everyday drinking drinking drinking. These are noy my opinions, if i knew this before hand you can surely figure out i dont want any coaching and dont want any loans do be done. But i ****ed up, so now the warning is out there. If theres others than the ones i know of that is owed money/has something relevant add please reach out. He was talking so much about burnign ggs rep to the ground due to his being fired, hyproctical, degen, alhoholic thats running out of money would be my best guess bu yatlking to just about everyone.

Anyways

KALTHORR IS A SCAMMER

have a good weekend fellas <3

also **** guy if its kalthorr : **** you, and if its not kalthorr. man thtats more sad i think. get a life

1) They allegedly fired him
2) Most reactions kinda seemed like really he went that low? but at he sime time like it makes sense with how he is, so i thought a warning like this wouldve helped me save $2k. Trust me, i have told friends that theye were silly/dumb to loan someone for way less, so i fell for it. He is manipulative and will make you think he is uber rich yada yada, clearly he is broke scamming people and i would have liked someone to post a warning, hence my post. Im done with this, written of the money and if anyone is willing to associate with him despite there clearly being warnings then they will probably be a great fit. Apparently GTO wizard has him as an ambassador, which is hilarious. He has a discord following cheering on his degenerate alcoholism and dont want to talk about "serious stuff" on discord, people calling him their hero which is pathetic obviously, find a new hero but hey what do i know, im not an alcoholic degenerate. But thats his words on gto wizard so maybe lying, he likes to do that. Would like to know if its true so i know if i should stay subbed or not..

Like ive said every time i posted here, im leaving this behind me now. I dont need to try and ruin the guys life, he is doing it just fine on his own, to offer a sincere opinion i realize he is probably going down a bad path and hope he wakes up one day and realizes he is a grown human and cant treat people like scum and get away with it. Although he clearly rather steals 2k than put in some work for 2.5k, a shameless scammer that wont even put up 10 hours work to make some money, rather just take it from someone and drink the sorrows away (if he even feels guilt, idk couldnt imagine resorting to that even during my darkest moments, it just pushes away anyone who could help, but he decided this is how he wants to behave so f him honestly. U contact gg if its relevant, im done here unless i recieve any additional information as im only really bothered as he is very manipulative, multiple confirmed scams and reason to think its just not gonna magically stop.

I am sorry that you got scammed. I think it is good that you made it public, even though he hasn't been proven guilty yet and "innocent untill proven guilty" should always prevail... on that note maybe others who got scammed by him could drop a word or two? I personally never interacted with him, so I can't judge.

That being said I hopped onto his stream in the past couple of times... and I wanna say, I don't think you should seek coachings from a guy who is masstabling whole day. That is just pure button clicking, if you wanna get coached you should think about it more imo. Getting coached by some "random buttonclicker" is not gonna gain you much, worse, you most likely will pick up some bad traits in your thought process playing the hands. There is a lot of things you can misintepret when you look at a solver solution and if he plays his session the way he does, id also guess his study sessions go something like "flop we should mix big bets, rng is high lets bet our 87".
Simply, there is a lot to think during a single hand, now multiply it by (how many tables he plays?) and then he is streaming (already distracting as ****) and on top of that I saw him drinking during the play (which you kinda confirmed i guess)... all this must result into autopiloting...

I think its sad you lost 2k, but the main lesson should be to think more about who you choose to coach you.

Lastly, he prices 200/h? I think that is overpriced for his skill level (from the little ive seen, but you can pick things up kinda quickly). Out of curiosity, how much of a cut would he ask in the cfp?

I made a lot of assumptions, so don't take me for granted. On the other hand we are poker players, assumptions is our daily bread :P

May this be your last money stolen from you and hopefully kalthorr makes things right (if he indeed is guilty).

completely agree

And really ugly situation op, hope it doesnt burn you out too much... Do you mind giving us an update if there is any?

Good luck getting this resolved OP,

in my opinion when these scams involve someone with a brand/following , they should have a thread in NVG to increase awareness and improve chances the right people will see it.

Hi, im not sure how he is considered not proven guilty? Quite clearly he is guilty of stealing money from me. As for who i speak to for coaching, this guy is a serial liar who fakes results, i dont come from cash so i only really knew him for his name and to be clear this wasnt a payment for coaching, it was a loan due 2 days after. Still not a word. What else would you like me to prove?

I hadnt seen his streams, and i agree no one should pay him for coaching because he fakes results, he charges far too much and more importantly he will take your money and run, so not a great deal. Obviously i was naive but i got quite manipulated and learned my lesson, now working with someone far better so i dodged a bullet there. He charges 250/hr obviously its a scam price. Not sure if he ever coaches (a mod in his group said he never really knew of anyone buying it from him so might be a way to seem "good" and scam ppl or whatever, i dont know. As i said i just posted it to warn people to not be as silly as i was, i know someone else who is owed way more than me who will likely post something if it doesnt get resolved, but thats his decision to make when and how he does so, this posts serves as a warning and also hopefully if there are more ppl who had the misfortune of getting ripped of by this dude this can make it a bit easier for them to out him.

Luckily unlike mr 100$ hourly himself 2k doesnt ruin my life and i learn from my mistakes and move on with my life.

As for updates he is still an alcoholic degenerate scammer, other than that not much.

Because he hasn't been. We only have one side of the story. And this isn't a court of law, where people can be questioned and cross-examined.

But because this isn't a court of law, you don't have to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You laid out your side of the story, and people will make their own judgements. Thanks for doing so.

Well i wasnt the one who brought it up, as ive said this is just a warning, but given that term obviously its proven he is guilty. Guy asks for loan. Gets loan. Takes another loan (atleast) at the same time. Dissapears, feel free to fill me in where im missing something. I dont think its reasonable to say "we have only one side of the story" when the other side is ghosting everyone and basically gone offline completely. Youd have both sides of the story if there was another one...

Of course it is, because it's true.

Yeah, again, you've provided your side of the story, and the lack of the other side forthcoming will be viewed by many as yet another sign of guilt.

You've got nothing further to prove here, and don't need to defend anything.

Guess i misunderstood you a bit, thx for the clarification.

I was in Kalthorr's discord when you came in and made this public but no one really believed it. Seems a lot more serious now that the another person also posted here about money Kalthor owes them. ( https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...me-5k-1813127/ )

Sorry for not taking your story a bit more seriously.

From your dealings with him it seems obvious he couldnt be trusted with a loan. Its obviously quite bad how not only 1 but 2 people are owed money now (in the region of $7k if/until anyone else comes forward.)

Hopefully he responds ASAP and pays you guys back. Seen these stories in the past,end one of two ways usually...

Lets hope he pays back.

Kalthor always seemed like a cool guy and I was under the impression he was making decent money from poker given his volume and MTT binks. Probably woulda fell for this myself had he asked me for a loan LOL unlucky guys.

Hey guys, Kalthorr decided to do the right thing and reached out to me and paid me back in full today.

And funnily instantly reappeared on twitch

Great to read this. GL guys!

Curious as to whether "paid me back in full" means he got a zero interest loan for multiple months and you get money back that can buy less because of inflation with all the angst of not knowing whether you would be repaid for those months or if you got some monetary compensation for him keeping and using your money? To me "doing the right thing" would require compensation not just you didn't completely steal from me.