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Old 07-22-2018, 04:47 PM   #101
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Re: JNandez87 owes me money and is ignoring me

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Let the PM’s ensue. I call dibs on one. Pics itt when I get it.
i would also like to call dibs.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:00 PM   #102
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I watched the full video Fernando released before finding this thread. I checked Doug's Twitter to see if he had responded at which point I saw he linked this article a few days ago.

Here's what I found interesting about Fernando's side of the story. According to Fernando's account Doug reached out to him offering the opportunity to build Upswing's PLO course for the later agreed upon price of 25% of course sales. Fernando finds out that Joey was originally going to do the course but is assured it will get worked out and Fernando won't be stepping on Joey's toes, so to speak, if he joins Upswing under contract. Once the course is complete and ready for launch Joey is immediately given an affiliate deal for 25% of any sales he converts. Fernando's then finds out his 25% is calculated AFTER affiliate sales are paid. If this is true they basically sidelined Joey, let Fernando build the course and then paid Joey a higher rate on his referrals than Fernando who created all the content.

There are two sides to every story. I'm interested to see how Doug responds.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:03 PM   #103
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I watched the full video Fernando released before finding this thread. I checked Doug's Twitter to see if he had responded at which point I saw he linked this article a few days ago.

Here's what I found interesting about Fernando's side of the story. According to Fernando's account Doug reached out to him offering the opportunity to build Upswing's PLO course for the later agreed upon price of 25% of course sales. Fernando finds out that Joey was originally going to do the course but is assured it will get worked out and Fernando won't be stepping on Joey's toes, so to speak, if he joins Upswing under contract. Once the course is complete and ready for launch Joey is immediately given an affiliate deal for 25% of any sales he converts. Fernando's then finds out his 25% is calculated AFTER affiliate sales are paid. If this is true they basically sidelined Joey, let Fernando build the course and then paid Joey a higher rate on his referrals than Fernando who created all the content.

There are two sides to every story. I'm interested to see how Doug responds.
would love to hear Doug's response to that. shady business dealings if doug didn't make that clear while drawing up the contract.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:08 PM   #104
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Re: JNandez87 owes me money and is ignoring me

There is new NVG thread with Joey answering any questions about situation.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-1718029/

P.s. tittle was changed by "company account" (Prob upswing) from something like "Upswing Poker allegedly scammed JNandez out of $100k"
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:24 PM   #105
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There is new NVG thread with Joey answering any questions about situation.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-1718029/

P.s. tittle was changed by "company account" (Prob upswing) from something like "Upswing Poker allegedly scammed JNandez out of $100k"
I'll go check it out. Regardless the only people who know the truth are those directly involved. Even by Fernando's own account it sounds like he signed the initial contract without being comfortable with the terms or fully understanding it.
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Old 07-22-2018, 09:24 PM   #106
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Even by Fernando's own account it sounds like he signed the initial contract without being comfortable with the terms or fully understanding it.
As by Doug's account who claims that he didn't know what was actually in the contract.
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:05 AM   #107
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I heard the only reason Filip lost to his mom in Tennis is because he's a bit shorter than her. Evidence found in this rare photo of him wearing the JN scarf out and about.

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Old 07-24-2018, 03:48 AM   #108
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I heard the only reason Filip lost to his mom in Tennis is because he's a bit shorter than her. Evidence found in this rare photo of him wearing the JN scarf out and about.

lol gold
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Old 07-24-2018, 05:01 PM   #109
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One of the lessons people always learn the hard way is, you never send first.
or you use a payment processing service that has buyer protection. it is 2018, thats a thing now. look up paypal TOS
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