Now I want one of the scarf. A momento of the strangest thread ever. Anyone seen wearing one will have a story to tell.

“Wut?!? Is that one of THE SCARFS??”

“Yep”

...smiles....

see that. now fernando should have to pay upswing that money. id sue if it was possible thats so screwedup

Upswing made the deal with the customers, not JNandez. And the deal Upswing made with JNandez provided for an option to leave. He didn't breach his agreement (at least by exercising his option).

I'm just now reading this, but you'll be happy to know that someone else had the same idea and we did exactly this. A bit sloppily, given time constraints, but it's in there.

pretty sure he edited that in right after the vid was released lol

well that escalated quickly

did 'Nando just ether Doug and Joey?!?!!?!?

lol 60 unedited minutes? really?

I skipped to a random point and he's spending 2 minutes painstakingly describing how he took his shoes off and stood awkwardly in a hallway.

I watched the whole thing and I have to say it's an interesting video.

Very interesting video.
Talks about all what happened behind public eye with all names and exact numbers and %.
Worth watching, not just random ranting.

Cliffs:

- Doug reached out to his fanboy Fernando offering to make the PLO University and Fernando agrees to 25% cut even though he feels it's way too small (business fish)

-Fern lets them know that he feels 25% is too little but he accepts with the gentlemen's agreement that Fern later does more stuff for upswing and gets a cut of 50%-75%

- When course is done Fern learns that Joey has been hired as an affiliate, which is supposedly really weird to do in the first big week of sales (would expect to save affiliates to bump up the sales later when things cool down instead)

- Joey gets 25% ($250) from every purchase made through affiliate link and then Fern gets 25% of the $750 left over

- Fern pitches PLO Lab to stay up to date with solvers. Upswing agrees offering 30% cut and Fern is shocked because he thought they had the gentlemen's agreement that he gets more . Upswing insists he IS getting paid more than 25%.

- Once again Joey is made affiliate in his favour over Fern and makes more money than Fern from affiliate sales. The fact that only 5/140 affiliate signups were new (without having bought PLO University) makes it worse as Joey is basically getting paid twice for bringing in the same people.

- Fern tries to reason with upswing communicating his unhappiness and tries to negotiate now but they sternly shut down any discussion as the contract is signed

- Also talked to Joey who he considered a friend but Joey also wasn't having any of it as Joey was making a ton of money (again "contract is signed").

- Joey also pushed for a 3h podcast with Fern where he aggressively pushed PLO University for a quick money grab, promising he'd make additional videos which were never created

- Later increasingly miserable Fern goes through the contract, finds the loophole and says he's leaving.

- Upswing reacts very aggressively, threatening to sue and promising if Fern does this that they'll make sure he'll forever be hated and never work with anyone in poker ever again (Coletta allegedly said this IIRC)

- Finally upswing realises they can't do anything legally as long as fern gives 3 months notice, which he did

- Meanwhile fern is not getting paid for first of the 3 months. Talks to upswing, they say he'll get paid in total after the 3 months, he says ok.

- Does not get paid (owed ~90k). Upswing pretty much plays dumb and later somehow offers only $1.2k for the total of 3 month's work. Fern feels bullied and pressured and doesn't want to go to court with a big American company so he just agrees and wants to be done with it.

- He hasn't even been paid the $1.2k. Fine, he just wants to be done with it.

- Fern wanted to find a way to, together with upswing, communicate the reasons he's leaving diplomatically to the customers well in advance before he leaves. Upswing first refused and wanted to leave it until late, but later seemingly accepted.

- So Fern goes to bed under the impression that they'll all together communicate the news as easily as possible to the customers

- However Doug goes back on his word and launches the big smearing attack on Fern, shutting him out of the fb group, when he knows fern is asleep and won't be able to respond in a few hours.

Other random:

- When Fern first went to meet Doug in person in his house in Las Vegas he went with fees and another friend. Doug just talked to fees for 15min completely blanking Fern and not even looking at him while Fern was standing awkwadly with a bottle of whisky he brought as a gift, waiting to be acknowldeged. (they'd talked on skype obv prior to this)

- Fern at some point talked to an unnamed upswing member over skyped who in a manic state said (something like, not verbatim) "HAVE YOU MADE MORE VIDEOS? I HAVE SO MUCH MONEY BUT I NEED MORE."

- Fern was again increasingly uncomfortable with working in such an environment.

- Every time Fern tried to reason with Doug over skype he'd feel beaten since Doug is much more articulate in English and would never feel his concerns were properly acknowledged.

-Finally with the loophole thing Fern felt like he had the upper hand and it's at this point Doug really realised he's beaten and started ramping up the threats.

- Unnamed upswing member bought rio domain. I thought this was jmo so don't really get it, but I guess Doug, fees, or coletta bought it and had no-f***ks-given jmo to play like he did so upswing could save face (and avoid lawsuit??). Fern was very uncomfortable with this and let Galfond know

Cliffs obviously subject to me misunderstanding or misremembering or missing important info, so probably still watch the video at 1.5x speed or something.

lol at joey getting same/more with affiliate link then video course author. That sounds insane but not sure about typical %.
Marketing budget taking off JNandez 25% cut seem so strange. Again i have no experience about standards/what was agreed in contract but feeling it should be UpSwing costs.

Around 41:00, upswing reaction to leaving seem very unprofessional. Not even including all predatory business practices before.

Around 51:00, Talks about 1200$ for 4 month work after refunds. Please doug give us your calculations lol.

Who cares it wasn't scripted leave the slick editing to you.

Assuming what was said is true joeys affiliate payments being more than the content creators are outrageous. Makes me wonder if joeys payments were being split in some way with upswing.

Also felt bad for the guy if Doug left him waiting in the doorway for 15 minutes while looking at him from above. Might just be a European thing but jnandez is absolutely right you don't just walk into someones house without being greeted or invited. Sounds like a power trip making him feel small waiting while you are king of the hill.

Interesting vid.

Random thoughts.

JNandez is a naive poor businessman. Don't sign contracts unless you are totally happy and then complain later.

JNandez was genuine throughout and was just out of his depth.

Doug Polk is a tight ass and socially awkward. Upswing are a bunch of pricks.

Joey is a little leech.

Breaking news... we at upswing are pricks.

While this is just one side of the story, I would be surprised if the numbers weren't accurate since they can be easily confirmed/disproven.

My exact thoughts as well.

Seems like he is coming out with a part 2 where he will talk about the whole scarf situation and 'JNP'. I'm guessing this will be about why myself and 2 others left the company.

https://twitter.com/JNandezPoker/sta...64410905546752

P.S. the only thing he didnt preface in the video with "If i remember correctly" is false.

I don't lose a tennis match vs my mom we played last week and I washed her straight sets. 'Nando needs to put some respec on my tennis game

Great video

Now the real question is, does Doug Polk make a video NOW to respond to the latest Fernando video? or does he wait until after Fernandos 2nd video about the scarf situation comes out?

Lets deal with the real important issue.

Who has the scarfs and how do I buy one?

lol id love to hear why doug will make eye contact with fernando and not say"hey come upstairs come in" Fernando is right for not just walking on it. he should be greeted

Doug will be on Joey podcast Monday afternoon.

i actually would like one.

They are currently on their way to Pasty

I'm a shipping fish so I didn't do overnight shipping they will arrive at his place tuesday or wednesday

Let the PM’s ensue. I call dibs on one. Pics itt when I get it.

i would also like to call dibs.