If Screamin Asian comes back and says you owe RJ zero (or less), under a reasonable definition of the stake agreement, I will personally send you $200.

By reasonable definition, I of course mean, not including your ridiculous "I get to split profits even on weeks I'm in makeup"

This is a total freeroll for you - I demand nothing in return.

Good luck!

Lol.

You told her you owed her ~1k almost 2 months after BF, and you said it was easy to calculate.

alright so check this out: with a player audit, you can request pokerstars send it to another person's email. that would be the proof by which your reputation will rest. i can't take your word on the 6.7 number any more than i can take RJ's word that she was owed $900. the only way i can judge this objectively is with raw verified data, and pokerstars DOES provide this service.

[QUOTE=RustyBrooks;42019366]I have no idea how much you owe her, but "even the 900 is wrong" is way different from "I don't owe her anything". I guess I have to add another one to the list.

1. which things have you lied about? Be specific

I lied about why I wasn't paying her

2. do you dispute the emails and PMs that SGT RJ posted? If so, which ones?

no, I told her what I thought the number was before I'd figured it out. I told her I thought it was 1K and I was way wrong because of RBs and because of the original deal

ok, so email PS to request an audit

would you like to be the recipient?

I was wrong on both counts and please re-read the email. I told her I thought it was 1K

but she agreed to it and I told her i was not going to play otherwise, but I also promised her I would not leave in MU. I stuck to the terms and if she didn't lke the terms she shouldn't have agreed to them. I am not responsible for that. And it's not a freeroll if I don't leave in MU and certainly not if I carry the MU 3 years afterward and still offer to buy it out with a new backer.

also, don't you think an infraction should be issued? she didn't even look at the numbers, she had no clue what was owed and not owed but she still called me a thief, without even knowing for sure if i was one

Excellent, so you agree with everything posted in the emails. This means there's nothing wrong with her posting them - there are no lies or other malicious things in the emails, just true things that you said to her and that she said to you. Why on earth should she be in trouble or get infracted for posting something that is true?

If the emails and PMs are true, then why would you call them "dirty but not evidence"?

If both you and she can certify that they're accurate and un-edited, then they are the very definition of "evidence" and posting evidence can't be dirty, it can only help resolve the issue.

my email is in your pm box

Do you have *anything* to indicate that she agreed to your terms?

Because the thing I have to indicate that she didn't is called "common sense"

Why on earth would we use your version of the staking deal to calculate what you owe her when that is in fact the very issue under contention? If you can't prove that the deal included your weird clause then you have no case.

Right?

JB,

I did read the email. You just said that RJ is simply latching on to some horrible guess you made the day after BF. The truth is, you threw that number out on your own almost 2 months later and you said it was simple/obvious.

You owe the entirety of the 'makeup'.

OK SA, thanks. I'm shooting off an email to PS.

because she's lied numerous times ITT about how MU was calculated. First she said there wasn't a chopping schedule, then she said there was one that she didn't understand, then she said she didn't know what it was

she's changed her story many times ITT

whereas I've been clear from the beginning what the makeup schedule was

but I said "I think" it's 1K and it's her job to figure it out anyway, not mine. She could have written a thread asking for help to figure it out and ppl like SA would have done it for her.

I'd like to request for a player audit for the player Unreal_Zeal from 12/4/10 to 4/15/11, for all MTTs scheduled and SNGs


and have it sent to


Email address removed - citanul



Sincerely,



Jeff Bennett

There isn't much we can do until I get that so in the meantime, I'm going to check out of the thread for a few days. I'm emotionally drained.

maybe you should use the money you stole from sgt rj and get a massage or something. just kidding, you should pay her back scammer

Jeff let me rephrase so the math isn't so complicated in my hypothetical.

You and I enter a staking agreement.
We agree to split profit 50/50.
I start you with $500.
The first week, the account is up $2000, and we both cash out $1000.

The remaining $500 in the account is:

A) yours
B) mine
C) 50/50
D) other

I'm also going to need all the cashouts to show how much was passed on to RJ. I believe the stake made 2400. I don't know just wait and see what the numbers add up to and please withhold judgment til then.

I really think the burden should have been on her all along to figure out what I still owe. but it simply wasn't the number I first quoted because I didn't factor RBs and underestimated the weeks I was in profit

I believe something like 1800 was passed along to her, so she got her stake back + 900 + whatever she may or may not be owed. She also missed a big win I had at some point.

tomorrow I'm going to post all the transactions between us in the meantime I'm going to bed

Nicole

do you have transaction histories that we can compare? I have emails showing that you sent me 400 and I sent you back 1800 while the total value of the stake being 2400

this doesn't seem like what I got last time, so I might be missing something

can you check your records? I have you passing me 400 one time, is that right? didn't you ever restake?

we could have gone over this with each other before, but when I quoted you the first time, I didn't compute RB and I had more winning weeks than I thought. It's not easy to calculate, so I was going with a number off the top of my head, but I thought was right until I checked them.

Tomorrow I'm going to post every transaction between us, but I'm getting that you gave me 400 to start and never gave me anymore, which I think might be wrong.

Let's work this thing out amicably, please. Whatever money you owe you are going to get but I honestly think it was all makeup according to our original deal. I know that deal sucked for you kind of but my idea was that I would always honor your makeup in exchange for a bad deal from me, so I'm going to let the MU stand no matter what if it's determined its MU.

I'm sorry it's come to this because I know you are my friend. It's possible you are right. I haven't really had the money, but I can get it immediately if I knew what it was. I have friends who give me instant credit but I only tap them when I absolutely need to. When I did the numbers, it came out to 235 + 665 MU. That's because we were almost on par before I hit a downswing, and you missed something I hit.

When staking deals end the math is complicated and I didn't know that at the time I told you the number. I think we could have just sat down and talked about it, and it would have been fine. That's on both of us.

Please lets work this out. Let SA do the analysis, we will double check the cashouts, and I promise we will get it worked out.

I'm sorry I avoided you for so long but that's what I tend to do in these situations.

Sincerely

Jeff

I think Nicole should post all her transaction history with Unreal_Zeal in this forum. I'm realizing just going over the data that I probably did a bad job when I closed it out last time.

There is also going to be a problem because she was not a part of one tournament where I won 850. She was allowed to opt out of tourneys I played during the stake.

This was per our agreement and the way she wanted it. There was always some of my money and some of her money in my account at all times.

Remember that this was not a traditional staking deal because I can sometimes play on my own, but there is one game, and I think Nicole will confirm, that she didn't have action on that I hit for pretty big.

I may have email correspondence to prove it, but Nicole is going to have to cooperate a little in this rather than be a thorn. We will figure out what she gets and what MU she still has. But I can basically recreate what games she had action on from memory. You are going to have to trust that.

I'm looking at the data and it's possible I could owe 900 or even more because I might be missing some transactions. I dunno, lets just post the data and clear it up so I can move on.

"Don't take the law into your own hands; you take 'em to court." -- Doug Llewelyn

here is an email which may show how I can be in profit and make up at the same time

I don't think RJ ever sent me more than 900 total, and here I'm 1K in MU, even though she never sent me that much

this is because we actually chopped it into separate weekly stakes to start out, it was only after we started winning that we made it open ended

I binked early in the stake and we chopped it and then I went into a downswing.

this is really unfair to make me have to track everything and play at the same time, and then when I present a payout you don't like, you slander my name

sticking with an STT grind seems to be the smart play.

also, she dropped MTTs for a second and wanted to do just STTs, and sometime later I binked, and she added MTTs again. she did not have action in a game I won 850. Thats where most of the confusion comes from.

this is going to be a mess because I played cash on the stake also, with her approval, until I lost and she dropped it

I can post a lot of emails from her that back my story, for example I reference the cash-out schedule in another email

this wasn't that organized of a stake, and she left it to me to figure everything out, and the whole time I'd assumed she trusted me. She only didn't trust me anymore when she didn't like the final payout.

I was also always allowed to play anything on my own that she opted out of

So she's basically leaving it up to me to calculate everything for her, and telling me the amount she wants it to be. I binked the first week and the stake was chopped, then I downswung hard to start the stake and was basically grinding out of makeup the whole time.

I liked working with her and we were friends while I played but I still think she should be de-modded, and banned from MP

here is me staying with her instead of taking a new backer coz I was in MU

I don't understand why Jeff hasn't posted his entire transaction history for his account in the period that the stake lasted. He has posted his account of how the profits were chopped . the transaction history will confirm it. i.e if the stake was in make up and he had a profitable week he would have the relavent cashout for the amount he specified in the transaction history.

It would also help to figure out which of his MTTs that RJ had action from as profits will be shipped to other backers and compared to the market place thread.
Jeff is now claiming that he only ever had 400 shipped to him despite the transaction history and bobo's calculations showing over 3000 shipped to him.
Its impossible for staker to rely on tracking sites alone especially in cash games. Jeff should also be requesting all of his cash game hand histories for the period of the stake and have them sent to ScreaminAsian. I would have thought the stakee would have to provide all data to the staker in order to calculate the weekly settlements not tell the staker I made/lost X$ this week ,go figure out if its correct.