go find out what the MU protocol is for BF. Everyone agreed that it's absolved. I didn't absolve it. I left it for you.

The stake made no money for you but you still had MU invested in me that I carried for you. If you don't know staking protocol, read up on it in 2p2.

I contacted you numerous times about explaining the MU and even a loan until I played poker. I offered a bunch of remedies. Even a few days ago, I was willing to carry it.

You are a liar and a scumbag.

I understood the deal fine (although I don't recall exactly how we did MU). It wasn't that complicated. It was a 50/50 profit split.

I don't understand the deal you're describing, but since it didn't exist that's irrelevant.

Produce the times you contacted me explaining anything.

After June of 2012 (or thereabouts, it was before that year's WSOP) you haven't contacted me until last week.

You are correct that I would never have allowed you to change blatant theft into a loan. Words have meaning. When you steal it's not a loan. It's stealing.

I know you don't. You are trying to free roll it. It's a typical scumbag backer play. post the thread when you have real evidence, your testimony is burying you

unreal, jeff, attention, whatever your name is -

Is part of what you are saying that RJ gave you some money as a stake (lets say $X), and that you guys chopped profits on a weekly basis, and that over the course of chopping those profits, she received some amount Y where Y > X? And that because Y > X, she is not entitled to the original X in the account, ie, the stake?

It seems as if there was money in the account at BF, that you received that money, and that none of that money made its way to RJ. Is all of this the case?

yes because she dropped MTTs

all of the data is public record

weekly cashouts were to occur only on weeks I was in profit, the chopping schedule I've published. this is enough for anyone to figure out how much is MU and how much I owe her. It's not easy to do but it's all there in the public record

RJ has all the dates and I don't dispute that, but I dispute that she ever had any of my MP action

I didn't know how much was hers and how much was mine at the time because of the MP sales that she didn't participate in.

What I mean is that I don't recall the exact procedure by which you got out of MU when you were in it (meaning I don't remember how the numbers worked with the money you were earning to get out of MU). I remember the first time you were in MU and then got out, which was within the first month, we hashed out how the numbers worked and from there on in there were no adjustments.

I also know that you were never allowed to withdraw stake money and use it for personal expenses and call in MU (although you withdrew money anyway, just like you violated the buy-in limits and the type of game you were supposed to play), and I also know you weren't in MU on BF.

Notice that in the 2011 emails, where one would assume both of our memories were pretty fresh, you yourself CLAIMED YOU HAD MADE A SMALL PROFIT THAT NEEDED TO BE SPLIT. We didn't profit split while you were in MU; you worked out of MU, then we split.

If you were in MU on BF, then why would you want to split profit with me?

Someone is burying himself in this thread, but it's not me.

Edit: Also LOL I never had any of your MP action. Someone has already posted the proof of at least one time I had your MP action.

Seriously, are you reading what you type out or just using a random word generator?

The bolded part is a pretty solid admission that you knowingly took the entire roll post BF and never sent any to SgtRJ. If you are running multiple packages the onus is on you to keep track of what is what.

Also, no, I didn't drop his MTT action. I have no idea where he's getting that.

There were restrictions on which ones he could play by buy-in (and maybe by percentage of games played if he was going through a rough patch - his profit margin in SNGs was much better), but he played MTTs on the stake until BF.

Maryland small claims court offers mediation as an alternative dispute resolution process for pending cases.

It's all in the public record what is owed as MU what is owed in real money. Everything else is irrelevant. there can be absolutely no dispute once the data analysis is done. When that is done it will show that I was 900 in MU. I"m going out on a limb and say it was 908, but I don't remember exactly. I'm reasonably confident it was between 908-950. This is the money she's been trying to free roll me all along.

She's already recited different versions of the staking contract, and has already stated she doesn't remember much of the deal.

Cash outs took place according to a schedule, agreed upon by both parties prior to the initiation. I've outlined them. She "claims" to not remember them and has lied and said it was a no MU deal.

When the analysis is done, I think she should be banned from the MP for unfair business practices, and de-modded for making false accusations.

Is you "yes" in response to this (the first) question:

"Is part of what you are saying that RJ gave you some money as a stake (lets say $X), and that you guys chopped profits on a weekly basis, and that over the course of chopping those profits, she received some amount Y where Y > X? And that because Y > X, she is not entitled to the original X in the account, ie, the stake?"

or this (the second) question:

"It seems as if there was money in the account at BF, that you received that money, and that none of that money made its way to RJ. Is all of this the case?"

or both?

Please answer:

1, if the first
2, if the second
3, if both

No additional words are necessary in response to this post.

the chopping schedule is published by me ITT and the deal is also published. All you need is the starting dates and ending dates of the contract and the games I played for it. RJ has provided the date of the full stake, but the date she dropped MTTs is inferred because the next day I sold action for MTTs in the MP, so that too is a matter of public record. that is enough to figure out what is owed and what is MU

?"

yes but none of it was hers because she dropped MTTs and it was earned from a separate deal

and yes, at stakes end she actually had no money staked, in fact some of the money that she had was technically my makeup

see screamin asians post for explanation

i think at this point the threat title should be changed back.
it is very clear stake money was indeed stolen and jeff wont pay it back.

also, I'd really appreciate it if people who have some knowledge and experience in staking contracts would comment because these things can get complicated mathematically, so please only comment if you have experience

I'm sure the data will show that I'm in MU 900, and that's now expired. If you have any doubt, wait til the numbers come out before posting judgement.

I have experience staking, and the numbers never get more complicated than 6th grade math.

Can you please respond to the prior post with either a 1, a 2, or a 3?

Why can't you post the data?

At the airport with some time before we board and I just couldn't help but to pop in and have a look, and I don't even...

I mean, JB, you actually thought this post was serious?

Did you read the last sentence?

Yes, if any of you with staking experience are reading, please chime in now. I think JB is going to be surprised by the responses, but hopefully we'll see.

g.

SA is a very experienced player who has sold action and bought action. If anyone knows how complicated it can get it's him. If you don't have experience with the math of staking, don't post.

It was a year or so before I could get to a place where I could even figure it out and she was already pulling her free-roll.

First she said it was a no MU deal ITT, then she said she didn't know how the MU worked. She's willing to say whatever to get what she wants.

The math is complicated, but it's unambiguous and if you are a real backer you'd have calculated it yourself without going to a public forum and throwing serious and false allegations about.

Your chopping schedule is incorrect. It was a straight up 50/50 profit split.

I never dropped you from MTTs. I simply wasn't staking you for every single MTT in existence. There were certain terms that, I freely admit, I don't remember the exact details, but you were still playing MTTs on my dime until BF.

Further, you have yet to provide an explanation for why, in the month immediately after BF, where one would assume both of our memories of everything were pretty fresh, you acknowledge not being in MU in an email to me. You specifically reference there being a small profit we needed to split, and we've both agreed that there was no profit splitting unless there was no MU.

Hence by your own email, you confirm that you knew in May of 2011 that you were in not in MU.

Now, even if, as reasonable people, we were willing to accept that there was some discrepancy in the numbers because neither one of us were keeping extremely diligent in keeping track of everything, how do you expect reasonable people to believe that you were $900 in MU but weren't aware of it immediately after BF?

Don't worry, I don't really expect an answer. Just pointing out the obvious logical consistency. One of many obvious, and frankly bizarre, inconsistencies, story changes, and flat out lies you've made up in this thread and via email.

And yet, you refuse to show it.

I don't know what you're not getting about this. You were given a stake. It wasn't your money. When the stake is over, you need to return that money. If there's a reason that you aren't doing that, you need to demonstrate why that is. To say that it's on the backer to show why they should get their own money back is just absurd.

I admitted I don't recall exactly how the numbers worked when you got out of MU.

We had a method, I just don't recall it.

But I've already acknowledged (as have you) that you were not allowed to leave the stake in MU.

Those statements are not inconsistent. When I'm not clear on something, I acknowledge that. You were in MU at times, but if you asked me exactly how we calculated when you were out of MU, I wouldn't be able to answer that question because I don't remember. I'm not going to lie and make up some random method now.

WHICH IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T IN MU ON BLACK FRIDAY. FURTHER, YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO CASH OUT MONEY FOR PERSONAL EXPENSES. THERE WAS NO WEEKLY $50 OR $100 WITHDRAWAL AND IF YOU WERE DOING THAT WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT YOU WERE STEALING FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE STAKE.