He also stole the stake he was on with me after Black Friday.

I had no idea he was back, I was pondering outing him when the unreal account was banned. Obviously I could/should have done so sooner but I felt bad for him and considered him a friend and wanted to give him a chance to make it right.

He has my info and has made no attempt to get in contact with me for about a year now, nor has he ever made any attempt to pay back what he owes.

So...yeah.

I mean it seems like he has (for whatever reason) already requested a permanent ban in the Ban Me! thread, I have no doubt it'll happen soon.

Just think I should put out there this guy is absolutely not trustworthy when it comes to money and the rest of the poker community (at least on here) should be aware of that. I went out of my way to help him and he basically pretended to be my friend then **** on me.

There's a certain disgusting irony about him complaining about people with a lack of integrity, all things considered.

Oh I'm waiting with baited breath to be sure.

Other than his name (which I'd have to look up, I don't recall it off the top of my head) and the fact that last I knew he was living in Vegas, I don't have any other additional info.

His name is Jeff Bennett, or at least that's what he claims in his marketplace listings.

Yep, that's it, I remembered the Jeff but not the last name.

Hahaha, this guy was the nut worst. This thread will always be a classic lol to me....
cliffs:
1) math what is it?
2) lol winning players ITT
3) you disagree, therefore this is the worst forum on 2p2
4) glitlr cameo
5) [ ] has read a post [x] is here for a civil conversation [?] should be banned?
6) banned (thank god)

He hasn't replied to me via Skype or email or any other form of contact either.

I'm obviously not holding my breath that he ever intends to make this right.

SGT RJ

The numbers I have are that I am in makeup $665 and owe you $235. I will pay you the 235 the next time I see you at MD live.

I'm going to be really really nice and give you a few days to sell the makeup to a backer I can live with, after that, I'm going to get one on my own. I offered you a bunch of remedies that were very generous to you, including counting as transferable makeup, and even a personal loan that I'd pay interest on as long as you give me a reference for a new backer. You refused time and again and insisted on calling me a thief.

If you have any disputes at all that these numbers are not correct, I invite arbitration. If you accept this, you will be paid by the weeks end.

Jeff

It sounds like this debt is from something like 2-3 years ago, so I can see why she'd be upset and why it's also a little difficult to buy stuff like "I'm going to be really really nice...".

But I'm not involved in the situation, so I don't claim to know the whole story. I just know you need to make it right, and I'm glad to hear you might be taking steps to do so. Whatever happened, I think you should just take ownership of your part in this which I'm sure is quite significant given that you're the one that owes the money, and not dwell on how you think you've been wronged.

There was a slight dispute and misunderstanding in the numbers that I was afraid to address with Nicole because of her power as a mod. I want to do biz here and it's important to me, so I avoided the issue.

The deal we had was in my favor if the stake ended too soon, which it did. I offered a number of remedies to her. The first one being a personal loan with interest until I played poker again, which I thought was the most generous. When she wouldn't listen to my most generous offer, I gave up since I didn't expect to play poker for awhile. I also just could not afford the 900, and for a while not even the 235

Yes I very much dispute these numbers, you had $750 in stake money and $200 added on after you "borrowed" money from the stake without asking permission first. You were only a few dollars down from that $950 when BF hit, unless you lied to me immediately after BF, and you were not in MU.

Further, as I told you via email, do not approach me at work except as a customer asking for a seat. I cannot do personal business on the floor of a casino. Further, you have had my address for years now (it never changed) so send me a check.

Your "solutions" included a) me giving you an unqualified positive recommendation to another backer who you would convince to buy my debt, b) me just "giving you a little leeway" and forgiving it until such time as you found a backer AND/OR calling the entire thing a loan (which is incredibly insulting, a loan is when you ask for money, not when you steal it), and something something 2p2 sucks oh can you help me get my account back something something.

I have nothing further to say to you until I determine if I can recover my Skype logs and PS transaction history.

Why would there need to be offers? If you owe someone money, you pay them. And if you can't afford or agree to the terms they demand, that doesn't mean you walk away - paying the money you think you owe on your own terms makes more sense than not paying it at all.

You couldn't have afforded to pay her the 235 (or 900) by now by sending her $10 or $20 a month?

But really, who cares what happened in the past? Just start paying the money now.

Yeah I could have paid her the 235 and I wanted to and would have if it wasn't such a cluster**** dramafest.

If she wants arbitration I'm willing to show exactly how I ended up making more than she did by the terms of our deal. The stipulation was weekly chops but I could not close out the deal in MU. But BF came, which is circumstances beyond my control, and I don't think I should be liable for it. I offered a dollar for dollar transfer of makeup in return for a reference but she was already calling me a theif by the time I offered my second most generous offer.

I will not speak directly to her, but I will submit to arbitration if it comes to that.

Let's burn it all down.

The entire email exchange leading into today.

nobody cares Nicole. If you want to arbitrate the numbers I'm fine with that and will abide by the decision. If not, you can have the 235. It's entirely in your hands now.

My recollection of our stake/agreement:

You used to talk all the time about how broke you were/how you made money for previous backers. I had won about $4.5k that summer (cue the lolz, but that was huge for me) and had a bit of spare money, so I offered you a back with 50/50 profit split. I freely acknowledge that a) I was clueless about backing, b) we had a verbal, not written agreement, and c) that until BF and with the caveats I'll mention below, you were decent about settling up weekly.

The original stake was for low stakes MTTs and SNGs, for $500. If you made money, we split the profit. If you were down, I rebumped you to $500 and you made that up, although I'm not going to lie, I don't remember the specifics of MU. You had some up and down weeks, but overall were up on the stake a few hundred.

A few weeks before BF, we discussed increasing the stake to play some slightly higher tournaments, so it was increased to $750. Around this time, you also "borrowed" (I use the term loosely - you did not ask permission to do so, nor was it ever said you could take stake money for personal expenses) $200, which was added to the stake. In the week before BF, we settled up, which meant that you had $950 of my money. I guess in the strictest sense, you could consider that $200 a loan, albeit one given after you had already borrowed the money.

Otherwise you did the following on the stake that, in retrospect, I should not have overlooked but did, because, stupid me, I thought of you as a friend. 1) You played cash despite it being a tournament stake. 2) You played some higher buy-in tournaments than agreed. 3) You withdrew stake money without permission.

But hey, I'm a pretty forgiving person so I let 1/2 go (although I asked you not to do either again) and we hashed out #3, or so I thought.

When BF occurred, obviously the stake was at an end. You told me you were down a bit on the week and had about $937 or $927 in the account. I said sure, no problem, when PS pays out just sign the check over to me. You agreed to do so. After PS paid out, I asked several times about the check, until about a month later you told me that you had cashed it and used it for rent.

I was pretty understanding, I think. I knew you were cash broke. I asked for two basic things - you keep me up to date about your whereabouts and job/money situation, and that you try to pay me at least a little at a time when you could. You kept in touch a fair amount at first, but within six months you stopped sending me any updates. All I knew was that you were in Vegas.

I was debating outing you when over a year passed with no money, no plan, and very little contact. You then got in touch with me right before I went out to the WSOP in 2012. You again told me all your hard luck stories but agreed to meet with me, give me a hundred or so, and set up a payment plan. I gave you my cell number and when I'd be in town and told you to call. You never did.

At this point I basically gave up. At some point the unreal account was banned and outing you seemed pointless as I didn't realize after that account that you had come back. You've had multiple 2p2 accounts since then, but I never heard from you. I didn't know the JEB account that was the OP of this thread was you until someone else outed you, at which point I said yeah, he stole a stake from me and hasn't talked to me in over a year.

I know you have your own version, but I'm legit infuriated that you are trying to claim anything but that you owe me $950, $750 of which was direct stake money, $200 of which you "borrowed" without asking first, and none of which was make-up.

Then, after going 1.5 years without any contact, you email me to basically try to blackmail me into giving you a good recommendation so you can get another backer.

Seriously. What. The. ****.

I have all the numbers if you'd like to see them. Every transfer + a record of every game played.

Our deal was periodic cash outs. I don't expect you and didn't expect you to understand the math of the deal, but I structured it in a way that was absolutely fair to both of us.

You and I agreed on periodic cash outs, but that I couldn't quit in makeup. I am not going to explain the math to you because I'm sure you won't understand.

I have cashouts and games played verified in email and online. I have a verbal contract with you that I remember and can repeat verbatim.

If you want this to go to arb, then it will take me a few days to gather all the data.

I tried everything I could think of to not let it come to this because we had the same conversation we are having now.

I offer interest on a loan until I play again. No.
I offer to transfer dollar for dollar to another backer. No.
I offer to pay you with interest for a reference for a stake. No.

This is the same conversation that I had with you 3 years ago.

Do you want the 235 now or after I prove that's the amount owed?

this is hilarious

We never had any conversation remotely close to this. The only conversation we had after BF was about the check you agreed to sign over then didn't, and my request for you to keep me in the loop, which you didn't.

I will not treat your theft as a loan.

You are free to find a backer, I never once refused that, as my emails above prove.

I want a payment plan for the full amount.

You can post whatever you want. Anyone can put together a spreadsheet, although I have asked PS if they keep player to player transaction logs this long and if so, can I have them.

Of course I want the money. $950, although I'll take whatever you want to give me as payment up front then a plan for the rest.

By the way, I do love how in the emails you claim you have zero to give me unless you get a backer, but now you have at least $235.

Just give me my damn money Jeff so I never have to speak to you again.

I'm going to leave this decision to you.

You can accept 235 and that wall of text you posted gets deleted and that's the end of it.

You can take it to arbitration, and while going through arb, that wall of text you posted gets deleted until a final decision is made.

If that wall of text stays and you don't accept 235 as final payment and don't consider it the end of the issue, then I don't care and will not pay you

Why is this even in this thread?

maybe you'd find out by reading the posts within the thread?

Lol, so your "generous offer" is take the magical number you pulled out of your ass or nothing.

My, that is generous. I'm overwhelmed with your generosity. Let me ponder it for a while. I'm sure you'll give me a little leeway, considering this is an almost three year debt.

Bobo you can move these to a separate thread in NVG if you like.

lol

this is a non issue for me after tonight

if you want it arbitrated, I will participate only if it's in MP Staking and only if that wall of text you posted gets deleted

this will be my last post on the subject tonight, I will check tomorrow and if the wall of text is still there, then I will consider the issue dead and will never think about it again