Agreed.

Meh. This appears to be nothing more than washoe displaying his usual penchant for jumping into a topic he has just learned about with both feet.

The only problem, if you want to call it that, is that there is no court of law here.

Yes, people are dependent upon their incomes. Dealing with an unhinged person (because I guess we can just throw words around like this and they stick) who is in charge of your income can be problematic, financially.

I went to them on many occasions, as is highlighted by CaliStyles, yet because I was too nice and/or too responsible (for my own part) they disregarded my attempts. This wasted my time and it was theirs. It wasted my earning potential and theirs. Dealing with this negativity is draining. After some time, i chose not to deal with it anymore. If they wanted to continue to piss on me, then so be it. They won't waste any more of my time and allow a vindictive, racist *******, who was mad because I disagreed with his bullshit ideology to run control over my time and my life anymore.

If people want to criticize me for how I chose to go about it, then so be it. Others have said the opposite and so be their opinions, as well. I'm not here for opinions, sympathy, nor to persuade you.

I am here, because some people in this world decide they can treat others the way they wish, while expecting
palatial service in return. The world doesn't work like this and I'm sure if any of you think you can treat and say the same things said to me, to Mexicans in the United States and in Mexico, you might realize you got off easy.

You can think it is the moral high ground or whatever you want to call it. That's for you to decide and it doesn't matter to me nor anybody else.

And yes, some people think it is okay for him to make the comments he makes and has made. As an aside, if you think because I stood up to the guy in public and private chat, and he continued to work without an emotional grudge, then I can assure you that you are confused. If you think he only said thesw things about Haitians and other immigrants, then you are confused.

Furthermore, i haven't responded because 1. I'm visiting my grandmother with my aunt. 2. As I said before, I'm done wasting time and this whole situation is extremely negative, but sometimes you have to out negativity. If you don't see it this way, I understand and that's your prerogative. 3. I have nothing else to say and no more comments to respond to, as nothing new has been added. 4. I've issued what they can do to stop me from posting on other sites( and I'm sure without reading they haven't) and to really save face, but they continue to not publicly apologize.

Also, i apologized for saying butt buddies. 1. If you don't want to be a buddy of anyone then that's cool. 2. Idgaf about the moral high ground. 3. I'm not stopping anyone from working by saying butt buddies, but if you ask me to stop then I will.

Ps.. idc about learning about posting images within this thread or any thread. If there comes a time where I want to do so, then perhaps I'll learn.

Ps2 (not the 2nd PlayStation).. I will post some YouTube videos when I get home, as Tpeck accurately predicted. Good intuition on this one.

Ps3 (again not the PlayStation) .. I have issued some honorary awards to posters, before this gets locked:

For a sneak peek some of those include
Most Intuitive Award: Tpeck
Most Annoyed Mod : Bobo Fett
Funniest Punchline, Best comeback and Funniest Poster goes to : blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT for this gem of a post :"The amount of time thatÂ’s been wasted here, in relation to the dollar amount.... Is outright hilarious!!!!! Keep it going boys hahahahah"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Blonde View Post
So OP is an unhinged POS who canÂ’t win in the games. Who wouldÂ’ve thought...
+1

His stable saw a lot that they liked in his Hh

Hahahahahha"

BEST/Funniest Title Suggestion: washoe for recommending the title change "to: Nazi stable operating out of Mexico."

Biggest Deflectors: Three way tie to the Three Nazis
Biggest Ass Kisser : Idk the ranks in the German Nazi Militaryand I am too lacking in care to look it up, but whatever the equivalent is of Private First Class for Simple Rick and his illustrious brown stained poop lips

Washoe seems to be one of few people here with some common sense. Namaste washoe.

Also if I wanted to do so then ask yourself why I didn't do so when I had 13k+ in accounts or anytime there was more than the amount there was? Additionally there is still sitting 1k in Betonline.

Well, you've certainly been doing more than your share of that.

You can do as you please - it was simply a suggestion to make your points more understandable.

LOL, OK.

If you wanted to do what?

Anyway, nice job covering nothing of real importance, like whether you intend to pay back any of the money you apparently owe:

For the time being at least, it seems only prudent to remove OP's Marketplace Approval.

I'm glad I made you laugh Bobo. And to answer your question: if I wanted to do what you are insinuating. I don't have time to play games with many of you. I played games with these guys for quite awhile, but no more, sorry.

I suppose we can add you to the list Bobo.

Yes, of course they admit it. They have not and cannot come out and say otherwise. In fact, they have done the opposite on many occasions. Instead their stubborn arrogance has them fighting tooth and nail, from the beginning, to do anything but acknowledge that. Now, does anyone see why time was wasted and earning potential diminished?
You can, clearly, check Cali's posts and see where I brought this to their attention on several occasions, to no avail. How am I supposed to work in a condition and make up money where Mr. Goebbels has the keys to the factory? "But don't worry," They say. Because the Nazi -and that's exactly what he is and you are if you condone this hateful, antogonistic behavior - only thought these things about German Reunification and Hitler was great, but he didn't actually apply it in practice.

With that, I am out. Yes it would seem prudent, Bobo, but don't you think I had already thought of that before posting? If I wanted to do what others and you insinuated, then I would have just disappeared, never to be seen again.

However, I am here. Why? That's for you to decide and reconcile, not for me.

With that being said, I will continue to post monthly reminders about the 4 Nazis and I will post them on other social media sites. My hope is that they change their mind and decided to no longer condone this culture/behavior. This is for them to decide.

Additionally, they can request to delete their posts, after they have apologized (for real for real) and I will also like this thread to be deleted after they have done so and I will no longer post when they have done so.

If they choose to do so or not, so be it. I would upload YouTube videos, however I am not at home at this present time.

Love

https://gyazo.com/d59d5231a688bc9daeb6756559b259bc

No, I didnt know Op, only though his post here.

I would have my problems with someone saying this too. https://gyazo.com/600cd1cffefd356ede6d9993b536ca5e
Maybe I would quit immediately. If someone is a little autistic or has a little threshhold for bs this would be a huge problem.

Interestingly enough I heard this kind of talk before, along these lines "I dont get it, why dont they let africa die?" After that the person was done for me. Maybe I should have talked to him, he was someone I was working with, but I didnt want to. Now in retrospect I should have said something. I was shocked that he said it. It was also an ex military guy. I remember telling my friend to avoid him. Anyways there are beliefs that can he hurtful, damaging, and can have an effect on people.

So where can they go from here?

To me its clear Op is a crusher, a diamond in the making, should he continue to play. Not sure if he should. But if he was to continue he should get the support he was looking for. He needs backing, coaching, plugging of some leaks, the right environment and he is ready to go.
You should be able to supply him with all of that. I think that would be a win win situation. If not, he is just waking to the next stable.
Not sure what kind of options you guys see.

I thought about a few options:

Option No 1
- continue backing with 3 Amigos
- only talk to the person you feel comfortable with
- have a little chat and talk about everything, communication is key here guys

Option No 2

-pay restitution for money/time lost and stay in peoples head. (people to avoid, was there some racism?)
-get some money back

I'm starting to wonder if you even know who is who in this thread. I've insinuated nothing, and I have no interest in playing games.

What list? A list of people "completely ignoring the racist hate coming from that stable"? I guess if you don't bother reading my posts, you might add me to that list. Of course, you'd be wrong.

I have no idea, nor do I care. Just as I do in other dispute threads, I'm letting you and others know that I've taken the completely standard step that we take with anyone who owes someone else money and is outed on the forums.

Honestly, I have no idea WTF you're on about with insinuations. I haven't made many posts in this thread, and they weren't that long or complicated. Perhaps you should reread them. I gave my assessment of the situation, and suggested you should pay your debt. That's it.

To make it easier for you, I'll include all my other posts here.

Racism issue not ignored, and no insinuations made. I'd appreciate it if you could try to avoid mischaracterizing my posts in the future. Thanks.

Bobo is a good guy imo. And his take on this is the standard solution to the problem.

I however have my difficulties with the standard solution, because I know how it is with a backer. My backer is my best friend, I hate him and I love him. There were times we had fights which sent me on apeshit tilt. I had to work with his money and couldn't get it out of my head what an idiot he was. Of course you could blame me for not letting it affect me and be more professional. But we are all just human. Humans are emotional and make mistakes. Players need/want a stable because they want stability and financial, emotional support as well as getting better.

I did attack jeremies comments and defended op, because I can relate to the players side. Jeremy said " it would obv be sad if so many people died...but we'd be ok" So there might be even some misunderstanding at fault here. Although I think this isnt the right place in a stable chat to even talk about these things, knowing you have Latin players or players from aound the world.

The best option would probably to shake hands now, and find a peaceful solution and move forward. Afterall the guy came to you and you took him in, him being disapoonted now with the family. You might feel that you have to take care of a kindergarten, I mean the bosses here, but at least some responsibility should be taken.

Your anecdote about your bff being your backer is adorable but not seeing the relevance, OP is dealing with a business not his "butt buddies" as he would call them. The idea that he even has the option to just "walk away to another stable" as if this proven record of criminal insanity and holding stakes/MU hostage until childish demands are met would fair well in the screening process is hilarious. Sure he might be good at tournaments with potential to get better but he's indubitably a mental midget with massive entitlement issues at this point and that is a massive liability to a business(not a best friend). There's a clear base issue why OP can't go on his own, would this huge racism issue still be in front of our eyes if they just put him in the $55s-109s he DEMANDED when he was "running so bad" they bumped him down to sub$33 ABI? I don't think so Tim.

Have you ever played 33s? Maybe this leads too far off topic.

Sure but i'm just wondering how two lefts make a right in this world of moral selectivity you two are living in.

Since this thread was opened by Jesse as some form of seeking moderation/mediation - what are the suggested steps for both Three Amigos and Jesse to take?

I'll go first. Jeremy says sorry for making Jesse mad. Jesse sends money back in full with a payment plan for the rest of MU owed.

That sounds like a reasonable solution for both parts. Of course Jesse will never agree to this because this was never about "justice for his mom's race" or something of the like: he just wanted to create a smoke screen to be able to run away with the money and leave a door open for future staking opportunities, I think that should be pretty obvious to everyone reading this thread by now.

Prove me wrong and do the right thing Jesse, you're still in time!

yeesh this thread is messy.

I feel bad for you OP on how you were treated, there's nothing worse then dealing with delays/manipulative people and the racism is obviously deplorable.

It seems however you have made some pretty poor choices in your attempt at outing these guys, you come across equally at fault and seem to be on a fast track to ruining your own reputation. It's obviously hard when you're so emotionally charged and feel wronged on many levels, you probably feel justified holding onto their bankroll and saying you're not going to pay back any mu etc.

But at the end of the day you're engaging in behaviour that's just as bad as the people you're trying to out, if not worse.

My advice would be to engage the stable and try to negotiate a reasonable compromise, or have a 3rd party provide arbitration. Save your reputation before you completely ruin it, it's worth far more in the long run.

I'm seriously triggered that you would insinuate extortion and felonious theft are as bad as racism, it's 2021 get real. Are felonious theft and extortion SYSTEMIC and have been specifically oppressing minorities for centuries?

No, bro, I am taking offense too in the bs you are spreading there in your little stable talk, thats all.

https://gyazo.com/600cd1cffefd356ede6d9993b536ca5e

And thats a direct quote from you guys:

"im shocked that hasnt started to blow through africa, china was buying up land the last time i checked
i mean it would obv be sad to lose 25% of a continent that is aids ridden and drinks albino blood for magics and who weights in at an impressive mid 60s iq.... but after a mouring period and a moment of remembrance, id think we be ok"

^with that you might as well join the kkk, its wrong to talk about humans like that.

Try posting that on twitter and see how it goes. And I am not a law expert, but I know this, you cant post that. If I said this to i.e. Will Smith I am not sure if hed knocked me the f out. Its not only offensive but also wrong. It has long been disproven that the iq is higher among certain races is higher. Ever since Hitler was disproven that german athletes were better than others.

I feel adressing this whole racism topic here is necessary as you guys seem to handle it way too negligent. The reason america is first world, and mexico is second has one reason: explotations and wars.

Take a good look at my playlist (and I know many players have a similar playlist), maybe you can understand whats wrong with your comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOj...7MvPQ9&index=1

Is it just coincidence these two accounts are posting screenshots this way?

I'd expect so, yes, especially given how many others do the same.

Once I realized it could be done, there was no going back. There was already so much diversion from the main topic I see it as counter productive to talk about irrelevancies.

Hi Jeremy. i already addressed this simplistic take, but if you would like to add your name and your military record, if it is there, then that might be a contribution you can make.

Washoe, I wouldn't worry about it. People can have their opinions, but when those opinions presume to denigrate you and have control over your financial life, then there is no debate with these types.

Since there has been no attempt at reconciliation, I will post tomorrow on any forum, which has a voice; and when I have time i want to devote to this lost matter I will fulfill what I said and post the videos and pay the amount owed back (once playthrough is completed). The payment for my time and the amount charged, however is no longer negotiable.

You aren't paying the amount owed back since you are "charging" for your time retroactively aka stealing. Paying back what you owe is paying back the money in all the accounts and the markup. It was never negotiable with you, your plan all along was to steal the money. You are just a thief.

Simplerick, I really dont know why you keep defending the stables side and not the players side. And not even touch the topic at hand. That is to me supicious.

I do also think that one of the accounts is Jeremy.
Again the question is would you have said this thing if you had Phil Ivey, JRB, or Anrew Neeme on your roaster? Try getting them as a arbitor.

Again to my knowledge law was invented because 2 parties were fighting over what they are entitled to. This is such a case.

With your comments you have bad cards should this go to court. You have a 2 7 offsuit imo. That and a grande dent in your reputation. If this is worth the money and your reputation keep arguing in circles.

Jesse can't pick the arbiter, that's not how arbitration works. Both parties need to agree on an arbiter. But he's said he's already made up his mind and he's going to steal the money, because of course any arbitration would demand Jesse repay the money that he is obligated to repay.

What's the stables side that I'm defending? That Jesse repay the money that he contractually agreed he should have to repay? So, why are you defending his theft washoe? Because Jeremy made some off color comments that entitles Jesse to steal money from his bosses? Washoe, what do you think is a worse thing to do, make racist comments or steal? Would you prefer to have 7k stolen from you or have someone make a racist remark not even directed at you but vaguely at a different group of people?

What player's side? He has acknowledged that he owes money, and also that he plans to pay it back - less his own self-determined "payment for my time and the amount charged". That's not how this works; he's not entitled to determine some kind of damages and award them to himself.

What is suspicious about it? The fact that OP owes money to the stable, and that someone in the stable appears to be a racist, are two entirely separate and unrelated issues. I know OP is trying to intertwine them to justify keeping some money, but him doing so doesn't make them related.

If that's the case, then OP should pay what he owes and then take them to court over the racist comments.

But I don't know that OP's "cards" are much better than the stable's. I suspect his constant referral to them as Nazis in this thread are only the tip of the iceberg.

Please, explain to me how this works then? What court is able to pay me back for the time I lost due to Mr Goebbles?

This is your take. How do you know that Mr. Goebbles was not upset with me for publicly and privately disagreeing with him and did not cost me money to deal with the matter?

Because I know differently. I'll post what I sent to a former member of the group, who has sent me harassing messages: "My mother was in the military during wartime conflict and has PTSD, I went to prison for 3 years and I've played poker for 3 years, I know when someone is playing games." Paraphrasing and this is not mere speculation on my part.

The arsehole, literally, argued with me for hours on end for nothing more than upsetting him by asking a question and REPETITIVELY posted "Immigrants are dumb, mexicans are dumb low iq stinky people who take work from white people" garbage in the political chat, knowing full well my mom's side is Mexican. He went on and on about this, until one day I told him he was full of poop, and then I was unable to play for a few weeks, while he played the I'm the head Nazi in charge and you won't get a reload, because you challenged my authorty.

Why do you think it is that Calistyles deleted political chat?
Why is it they only post the section of our group chat where I apologize and take the burden (because I wanted to move on) and they don't post my repeated attempts over multiple days and weeks telling them I would not be working with that man, any longer?

This to me, is the awfully suspicious part. Yet, only a few people ITT have noted it.

And then! Their only defense in the matter is to come on here, make up a lie about a crime I didn't even commit lol. Claim that I was falsely claiming I went to prison. Imagine you have to prove that! And the only address they made towards the bigotry, was to say "well he wasnt wrong, some people got stupid genes" drrrrr

Again, which court has precedence over this? Or are you in a better position to decide, not knowing the full details of the matter?

You have seen the links (which were not nicely posted ) and they advocate for people of Africa to die from covid, for German Reuinification, for "smelly low iq immigrants" to not be allowed to enter the US. His words, not mine. These are Nazi statements, in the purest form.

Then one of the bosses, Bryan Oliver, came on here AFTER, Chance had already posted approximately 1000 word statement - failing to mention ONE TIME any of the blatant racism - and said that Jeremy is not wrong "by the metric he uses..." but there are other contributing factors, other than having .. "stupid genes." This is again, not me gaslighting and saying they are Nazis, based on a subjective measure. This is blatant, overt in your face some people are inherently superior to others. This is racism and they are Nazis.

Likely, I should not say, but it matters not to me: That is all there is, but still I have not looked through any files or emails I may have.

This right here, should prove to you this was not premeditated, as I believe you or another said before. If it were, then I would have documented every single thing they said, including far more serious (if they can be any more damning, believe it or not) statements made by Jeremy Goebbles Jr.

Youre taking the stables side, when you as a player should stick to the player.
Why am I defending him? Because he wasnt treated right. And thats what many stables do, they treat their players like crap.

They said, or one guy of them said, latins have bad hygene and are low iq. Jesse is latin, or half latin. Dont you think that effected him? Words can have a huge effect. Dont you think when the 3 guys I mentioned (Phil Ivey etc.) were on the stable that these comments might have tilted them?

Whats worse, stealing or offending you ask me? If the insults influenced his play as Jesse claims is it still stealing? They made a deal to work together, and if one of them messed up things they should split the damage.

Ive met many latin guys and girls, never have I met a dirty latin person. They take great care. Ive met tons of people from the western world with bad hygene though. And they are not stupid. In fact some latin guys are crushing it in poker. I just busted 30 min ago to this crusher from brazil, botteonpoker. Pocketfive has him No 1. Guys from brazil.
Thats just to make my point, nobody has less IQ, thats even scientifically proven.