One of the weirdest parts of this story is that I am married to a Mexican and she loves Jeremy.

I dont know what else you want. Jesse is here and willing to negotiate. He also sent some money back already as a sign of good will. Now he wants mediation.

The horse got tilted by the stable. Something you shouldnt do with your money, is trust your horse with it and then tilt it. Thats unprofessional and idiotic and -EV.

Fantastic. And cool thoughts, glad you think it's alright to go down to Mexico screw my grandma's and mom's people and have Jeremy call them people with "low iq and **** hygeine" behind their backs.

Weirdest part of the story for me, is most people aren't even acknowledging how they openly lie and could care less to address it.

https://gyazo.com/02b80ae55c3850f7aef22587422cbb42

p.s. if we are counting how many Mexican people like each one of us, I can assure you that you don't even come close on the scorecard.

3 Amigos clearly offer nothing but a smear campaign built on lies. They off zero acknowledgement they were wrong, other than an apology they walked back immediately,right after they realized I was not buying their "lets just tell him we are sorry, so this will go away. I told you guys plenty of times I would not be working with that man anymore. I told you plenty of times the issues and it is documented above, below and in your chats.

Additionally, if anyone actually thought my list of demands (or whatever you would like to call them) were serious, they were not. I knew they would not do the right thing. They had several chances (no pun intended) to do the right thing and they have failed miserably at each step of the way.

I agree to your terms washoe and I have appointed you, as mediator. They wanted a mediator and there it is.

I will send an itemized list of my charges, which had been made several days ago, but will also be updated, because of continued dealing with their nonsense. In addition to this, the three nazis were correct in saying my charges were too much, as well as you were, washoe. However, much the Nazis stole and robbed from me, spiritually, emotionally, and physically this is not about money and I have attempted to make that abundantly clear. Yet, some people wish to focus on that. That is their prerogative.

What is not their prerogative is deciding they did not waste my time (and money) and come on here and lie to slander and defame me.

https://gyazo.com/02b80ae55c3850f7aef22587422cbb42
https://gyazo.com/047f41e04affde62cf30bed2e1af8bce
https://gyazo.com/52c7afd3941261bc7e3a4a5289e203ca (bolly letting people know how he thinks people have stupid genes. but hey it's alright according to them, because it's not their fault!)
https://gyazo.com/25c38ef438044ba17e1b36689817bf5b (other members acknowledging Jeremy holds grudges and gets "a little grumpy" and has some sort of issue)
https://gyazo.com/2606f6ffe9688aaf7c75637e2e3ffe46
https://gyazo.com/f661842067ac57c8430d4da2e9f934ca (other 2p2 member seeing through their deflections and lying)

If they do not end this and keep on with the my money crap, then I will come on here every month and post the above SSs and I will go on Reddit/Craigslist/Twitter and whichever outlet has an audience. I have not done so, yet but I can assure you I will.

I am trying to be reasonable with you guys and, yet and again, I have attempted to allow you opportunities to make this right; but just like when I was in the stable with you guys, you continue to make excuses for your nazi friend.

Good job picking the only person who hasn't called you a thief in this thread.

There is your mediation Jesse Smollett. Return the money that doesn't belong to you. End of story.

FYP Mr. PHD

Originally Posted by CaliStyle View Post
It would be far too cumbersome ....

April 4th, 2020 - Jesse mentions he was having an issue with the way Jeremy was handling things .....

Dec 22nd, 2020 - First time we are made aware of any issue regarding derogatory or racist comments.......
Obviously Jeremy could of been more PC and professional .....
I find what I have pointed out to be factual with Jesse .....
I addressed the issue the moment I was made aware of it and you are not representing the situation accurately if you are saying this was an ongoing problem that you presented to me prior to January 8th.
End Quote

I did make a mistake earlier. It should have not been the 3 Nazis. I apologize for this mistake.

It should have been the 4 Nazis, because I did not include The CPA. Mr. Jeremy Goebbles. For this, I am truly sorry as not representing your organization and your thoughts Simplerick, as well as I could have.

Here, you and the 4 Nazis can go jerk off to this tonight and feel good about yourselves. Hopefully, your car has enough space for everyone.

Look Chance, even though all 3 of you think way too highly of yourselves, I've always found you to be somewhat reasonable. You want to close the chapter in the book, but unfortunately you don't get to do so, while slandering me, wasting multiple weeks of my life, in favor of condoning your racist, manipulative and discriminatory friend and continuing to tell lies.

And honestly, you guys have been energy drainers for quite some time. But this isn't about me and this isn't about you, even though each of you 3 have shown you will be stubborn to the point of defending your lies and failing to even issue a public apology.

If you want to close this, I've given you several opportunities to do so. However, you have not and you have continued on and on and on again, with your ad hominem/whataboutism attacks.

So everyone can see, yet again :
https://gyazo.com/02b80ae55c3850f7aef22587422cbb42
https://gyazo.com/047f41e04affde62cf30bed2e1af8bce
https://gyazo.com/52c7afd3941261bc7e3a4a5289e203ca (bolly letting people know how he thinks people have stupid genes. but hey it's alright according to them, because it's not their fault!)
https://gyazo.com/25c38ef438044ba17e1b36689817bf5b (other members acknowledging Jeremy holds grudges and gets "a little grumpy" and has some sort of issue)
https://gyazo.com/2606f6ffe9688aaf7c75637e2e3ffe46
https://gyazo.com/f661842067ac57c8430d4da2e9f934ca (other 2p2 member seeing through their deflections and lying)

If you continue to do this, then you are wasting, even more of my time. And you are forcing me into a situation where I will pursue legal action for your unfounded slander (you lie about my criminal history and all of you lie about when/how I told you about this and you lie about you being aware and you lie about downplaying the racism/discrimination). I have no interest in this and I have no interest in anything from you.


I, only, value my time and will stand up for it now, after repeatedly being mistreated by you guys, because you chose to stick up for Mr. Goebbles. If you wanna be like simplerick and play Car Armchair Psychologist, then that is your choice. My choice will be coming in here ever month and posting a reminder of the 4 Nazis Staking Group. It will, also, be my choice to post on the other forums I mentioned.

Just do the right thing and apologize. Do the right thing and put Jeremy on leave for let's say 4 weeks. Acknowledge you did not do the right thing, as bosses and address the situation multiple times, when you had the opportunity. Acknowledge you swept it under the rug and didn't deal with it and it was a mistake. It is really that simple.

I am not making any demands, instead I am expressing the right you have to choice. So, the ball is in your court and you can choose wisely or not. It really does not matter at this point. There will be people who judge one way or the other and that is their choice, as well.

If you do not, then I will I appoint washoe as mediator and it will be his choice to do with the remaining funds, which were owed to you guys; but the time I have continued to spend will not be given freely - I have already said this many many times. If you think you can get away with treating people, however you choose, then that is on you, but that will not work with me, any longer; and you will not play your games with me nor my time, any longer.

lol, I think the mods here act as mediators. Bobo is a pretty good mod (mediator) imo, and he is mod in the dispute section. You could send a pm to them, at the bottom of the dispute section are the mods.

If this is an option for you guys, I would suggest Jessy talks to whoever he was closest with at 3 amigos and works out a deal. Jesse, you said you met some upstanding people in the staking business. I hope they were at 3 amigos and you could talk to them, maybe a skype call.

It appeared to me that calistyles and rama were pretty reasonable, judging by the posts here.

I think because this episode has effected Jesse a lot, the problem is now that he is in a terrible situation where he is stuck, he cant go back or forward. He would be playing now clearing the make up I suppose.

Hopefully he can clear his make up and both partys walk away from this on friendy terms and in profit. Both parties seem to be somewhat reasonable.

Yea, being backed by these guys would be like career suicide. Thanks for the read.

I agree that this was not a career boost. It was rather damaging.

About a year ago I would have recommended BBZ stakings, Pads or 3 Amigos if anyone was looking for a stake. I am sure this would not have happened at BBZ.

I am not a mediator, I am just a player who lived in Mexico, spent time on christmas with a Mexican family and my ex gf, and can relate to Jesse on that base. It could have happened to me to, to all of us.

Some people chose their dignity over their career. And they are not willing to accept bs, dissing, bullying or racism on the work place or anywhere else. I respect Jesse for that and am thankful he has addressed it.

3 Amigos has acknowlegded they made a mistake, but they are not willing to pay the price for it, thats how I see it. They are not willing to restitute for the damage being done, what I would expect from any good company. Of course you would like the money back and pretend nothing happened.

What Jesse expects is an apology and some sort of resolution. No paddeling back, no blamings. I can asure you, if I was in that group and seen those posts, I would have thought how the heck did I end up here? And I am supposed to work for these guys? The sort of unprofessionalism, dissing your own horses costs you money in the long run. So maybe you should be thankful for Jesse bringing this up and work with him on a satisfying resolution. Jesse reached out to work with a poker team, instead of the support he was looking for he found hate and injustice.

Anyways, I am not a mediator, never have been. I know wrong when I see it and try to make things right. I can understand that Jesse is fed up and doesnt even want to deal with it or the people envolved in this. Talk about fairness and professionalism. This was not a fair treatment.

Maybe parties envolved shold let this sink in and directly communicate on the phone. I think personal aproach works best in a scenario like this.

3 amigos should show more empathy for Jesse and the chaos they created in his life. That would be a good look on the group. And then proceed from there.
You should ask yourself the question who is at fault here in the first place?
What were the consequences?

The unhinged criminal who concocted a scheme to steal 7500 dollars

That unhinged criminal is the only person who stood up to what he thought is wrong. He also made the stake 10k prior, and would have cleared his make up of 5k like he did many times. (correct me if thats wrong Jesse)

If he sent the money he would have no leverage. And this case would be forgotten. Do you really want to have other horses encounter this in the future?

This isn't the huge stand against racial tyranny that you think it is, you're making this out to be like Rosa Parks situation. It is similar if Rosa Parks dissembled the steering wheel upon her exit and started screaming that those jive ass honkeys can get it back when they A P O L O G I Z E publicly and P A Y her.

Your analogy is tastless and stupid. Rosa Parks was bullied, but not from the people she had been working with.

Many companies got sued for this stuff.

5 Big Companies Sued for Racial Discrimination
https://www.thoughtco.com/big-compan...nation-2834873

Fox News Pays $10 Million To Settle Racial, Gender Bias Suits
https://choice.npr.org/index.html?or...der-bias-suits

Your examples are perfect, i'm sure if any of those victims had taken it upon themselves to hack the bank accounts of the companies that wronged them and just take what they thought was owed to them until a list of demands was met i'm sure it would have worked out great for them in court. Can't believe you're blindly defending a convicted kidnapper demanding a ransom based on "racism is bad". Lol 2021 is wild and this thread is great.

What you concoct is hideous and all your analogies are pure nonsense.
People are dependant on their income. If you mess up the work place you have a problem.

Math:
Profit: +20k (10k each after splitting)
MU: -5k

All of this "I'm going to charge them for my time" stuff sounds like nonsense to me. Sometimes working with others doesn't go the way we hope, and we end up wasting a lot of time as a result. And it's possible to be compensated for that time - if we have some kind of financial arrangement that allows for it. If I'm already billing someone for my time, and they waste a lot of it on something else, I may try to bill them for that as well. That could end up being disputed, and then we'll have to resolve it. But if I decide someone has wasted my time, or damaged me in some way that I need to be compensated for, I don't get to shortchange them on money they are owed. My most logical next step would be to pay what I owe and move on, never do business with them again, and I may choose to spread the word about how the other party handled their business. I suppose if I felt truly wronged, I could take the other party to court. What I don't get to do is arbitrarily decide on damages and keep them myself. That would be theft.

It would be much easier to understand things if OP took some time to learn how to post images, and to quote posts - this is the first time I've ever seen someone take posts and post links to screenshots of them later in the same thread, rather than just quoting. But what I took from this thread when I first read it before moving it here was some blameworthy stuff on both sides. It would certainly appear that the stable has a team member with some issues that I wouldn't want working with me, or at the very least not dealing with my clients. But it appears that the OP has a pretty nasty side to him as well, and seems to be throwing stones from something of a glass house when he repeatedly calls people Nazis.

Does the stable have a racist on their team? Yeah it looks like they might, and no one should have to put up with his ****. Does that mean OP gets to decide that he's owed damages as a result? Nope. OP should pay what he owes, not deal with them any more, and let others know about the experience if he feels it necessary. Seems like he's done the latter two things, now it's time for him to do the first. At least that's what I take away from what I've seen, but I'm under no illusion that I have all the details.

We have jesse screaming nazi at everyone, claiming he's been dealing with racism for a year - the the only thing I see to support that claim is: Jeremy argued against affirmative action 22 years ago.
a couple references/jokes about his disagreement that low iq people are being allowed to illegally immigrate to usa
worst example regarding africa: "I mean it would be sad obv to lose 25% of a continent that is aids ridden and drinks albino blood for the magics and who weigh in at an impressive mid 60's iq... but after a mourning period and a moment of remembrance i think we'd be ok"
something else mentioned about people from haiti having low hygiene.

Even if he did say horrible things directly to you, which he never did besides calling you a child/acting like a woman/telling you to take your meds.. your response of stealing money while making demands is completely out of line every single time. Sample of your dozens of evidenced insults directly at Jeremy via PM:







Really I'd like to see where any racism has ever ever ever been directed at you Jesse, besides generalized sentiments of being anti-illegal immigration - that you proceed to blow up and claim they are talking about your mother and family... (when jesse in fact did mouth off to jeremy about "black or mexican dude f**ked your moms, so now you think racism is key" and had some thinly veiled threats about hiring gang member friends to inflict physical violence towards jeremy)

The word nazi has been said 79 times in this thread.



For anyone who gets their panties in a bunch about this stuff, seems like the worst thing possible would be constantly calling a jewish person a nazi, wouldn't you think?

So Jesse keeps accusing a 3 tour war veteran of stolen valor/lying about military service
calls a man racist towards mexicans who is married to a mexican
calls another racist towards mexicans who is currently getting mexican citizenship
and keeps screaming nazi at a jewish person (who also lives in mexico)

none of that actually matters to us because we don't have such thin skin, but take a quick look in the mirror, man. Jeremy makes constant cynical and not in good taste jokes about the 3rd world and you twist it into thinking he's disparaging your family.

OTOH, Jesse owes us $7348.33, was reloaded $1000 minutes before he blew up and quit the stake, and has sent us back $154.60

I don't see how anyone could be on your side in this. Bare minimum the $2671 of our cash in your accounts should have been sent back immediately with a proposed repayment plan for the $4677.33 of MU

Don't forget the homophobic slurs Jesse used calling you guys butt buddies too. And disparaging people's mothers. The things Jesse has said are 10x worse than anything I've read Jeremy say. This is all just a ploy to steal your money. He's 4k in makeup and feels that's too much to try and recover from, so he gets reloaded and decideds to keep the money and use this whole "Jeremy is a racist" thing to justify it. Jesse is just a thief plain and simple, no reasonable person will see it otherwise.

I’m not commenting on the monetary issues, as I don’t know the contract, but there’s no way your guy isn’t at least prejudice against non-whites. This happens with American mercenaries and like-minded individuals. I don’t understand how you can’t see that’s wrong, or at least going to alienate most normal people.

It seems like you guys really should think about continuing to back anybody.

And Jesse hasn’t acknowledged or apologized for these comments, despite demanding the same of his backers. Those comments were extremely offensive and numerous people in this thread have mentioned feeling offended by them.

Jesse, you can’t pick and choose your moral high ground. It really erodes the authenticity of your arguments.

So after a week+ of not resolving a thing - Jesse has stolen $2500 directly from our cash in accounts (1k of which he got reloaded for hours before he up and decided to leave) and also walked away from $4677.33 of MU. He's blocked all of us on discord and hasn't posted in his own thread here in 3 days, with the majority of responders agreeing that bad comments were made on both ends, but that paying back the money is really the only way forward. We'll wait a few more days and then negative feedback, announcement to backing groups, mutual contacts notified, and website denouncing him for stealing with be going up.

I don't see many other ways forward, but open to alternative routes (including just paying back the money stolen, working out a repayment plan, and chaulking it up as a loss of everyone's time)

This was likely the plan all along, to gaslight his backers in an effort to drum up community support for his holding funds that don't belong to him. Beginning with the nonsense about a "bait and switch" in the first post:

in spite of his screenshots clearly showing him agreeing to play the proposed games even after his prospective backers suggest he look elsewhere for a better deal:

https://gyazo.com/7fb821d3d0a698fb370e59a1fc06a1db
https://gyazo.com/077e6db68af43ced2749556638d5f791

OP has been fabricating a narrative, deliberately making long-winded posts with words twisted and quotes modified to paint the image of a victim being harassed.

Incredibly, there are zero examples of Jeremy making comments directed towards OP or OP's family and out of all the screenshots posted the only mention of the word "Mexican" is from OP himself:

https://gyazo.com/7d506b0cf30266fe2bf65d22a943fcbc
https://gyazo.com/70b6d18a4d03607db7ca8f9d4e8c2bf5

Throughout this thread OP has reposted the same screenshots over and over to sow doubt in his backers, even going so far as to rehost the same (benign) screenshot multiple times:

https://gyazo.com/febc7c4b4c0c909dfe9aec2e03b085ae
https://gyazo.com/a8819023dba2a64b64e6bdf160255bb0
https://gyazo.com/d1faadcf77af8c7d1cbdfb59e8e039f9

OP repeatedly insinuated that BHO(CaliStyle?) was a liar because he apologized then walked it back, using portions of BHO's words rather than the whole conversation to back the allegations:

Yet he never refutes CaliStyle's actual words:

The talk about insulting his heritage and demanding his backers go on some absurd apology tour was pure bluster and grandstanding. OP makes clear what's really important to him:

https://i.imgur.com/qqdgRdc.png

According to the screenshots OP was told up front that reloads can take up to 12 hours but evidently he didn't voice concern with the reload policy and/or negotiate faster reloads at that time. The one example he's given to back up his claims of them wasting time and costing him money is him going apeshit within an hour of not receiving a reload at the scheduled meeting time:

https://gyazo.com/b8cce07f083c35e231e7cd745565f7b1
https://gyazo.com/c4e4c5cfabecab74833d18fed267f5bf

Finally, washoe's involvement in this thread is suspicious. It's odd that one poster who supposedly has no dog in the fight is so vocal. Even more strange is how throughout the thread OP and washoe consistently show up around the same time: