It would be far too cumbersome to respond to everything. The original post by Chance did a good job of laying most everything out. For a cliffs of that with maybe some additional info.
Nov 13, 2019 - We agree to a deal with Jesse. Terms of which never changed except to increase his limits. I have no recollection or can find any information where the terms of his original agreement were decreased even though we had every right to if we felt it was necessary. One issue I have from his original post is he said he stopped playing for Imawhale on Dec 11th. I'm guessing this was just a typo and he meant Nov 11th though as I don't think he was actually playing on two stakes at the same time without notifying both parties.
Feb 9th 2020 - Jesse comes in complaining about the stakes he is playing, running bad, thinking he should be crushing high stakes because he was up 68k over 5k games, low on funds and just overly upset in wasting his time and efforts as he put it. He is offered a list of options as we don't want to have a player who is unhappy with the situation and offer to let him out of his deal earlier than the agreed upon contract as outlined in Chance's original post. Jesse decides to continue and 5 days later apologies for complaining.
April 4th, 2020 - Jesse mentions he was having an issue with the way Jeremy was handling things and tell him just to follow the process as he has a specific way of doing things that works for us. No mention of anything controversial, derogatory or racist. Jesse says verbatim "I went down the rabbit hole of arguing w him and that's my fault"
Dec 22nd, 2020 - First time we are made aware of any issue regarding derogatory or racist comments that Jesse took exception to. I looked at what was being said in the chat and I was quite disappointed to be honest as to what I read but I didn't see any direct verbal attacks on Jesse or his family nor has Jesse sent us any transcripts where that took place. I understand that some of the generalizations being made at the time would of been upsetting so we immediately addressed that issue and spoke with our accountant. This was literally the entire extent of that conversation.
https://gyazo.com/105decbf9116853b6bacd64401ecca15
https://gyazo.com/b127c0f0527d8be68c065d1c743321d2
To my knowledge this completely died there and nothing was said or has been said by the accountant to anyone regarding race, politics, etc... since that date. It was unprofessional of us to have that chat in our group and I take responsibility for that. It was insensitive and in bad taste for the accountant to make some of the comments he did whether that was for shock value, as a joke, or even if he truly shares some of those views. I truly hope this was a learning situation for everyone involved.
Dec 27th, 2020 - Jesse comes in with a long drawn out apology about calling Jeremy names which we weren't expecting or asking of him. No more complaints about any issues taking place.
Jan 8th, 2021 - The first time during the entire stake we are told Jesse feels like Jeremy is playing games with him regarding wasting his time. Nothing was mentioned prior to this besides the April 2020 episode where Jeremy asked his time not be wasted and to follow his method. We don't believe Jeremy was intentionally wasting Jesse's time here as this incident took place 16 days after the incident addressed on December 22nd and we were not informed of any top up issue prior to this incident. Also Jesse in his posts stated he had no incidents with Jeremy for one year so it's not possible that Jeremy had been doing anything intentionally to waste his time for a year as Jesse had started the stake 14 months prior on November of 2019.
https://gyazo.com/9e2b6afadcda3ac56fadd99bc96b08ab
Here is their actual chat that day where Jeremy was on and responded 1 hour, 16 minutes later than planned and I'll stress again we never were informed of this previously happening and things do come up in stables where there is a set back.
https://gyazo.com/a6a1d2e0c10a4f886e5e8d1f3b734d64
https://gyazo.com/47abcba70d9f9b2d436464cdad47f8c6
https://gyazo.com/3841602be02963a47af4203571a818d6
Obviously Jeremy could of been more PC and professional but despite the way Jesse was handling the situation Jeremy still topped him up within 7 minutes of Jesse's confrontational approach.
At this point it's apparent Jesse is just going on and on, using buzzwords and hyper posting so I expect that kind of behavior to continue. I find what I have pointed out to be factual with Jesse providing no concrete evidence to us or in this thread of the contrary and I will be the first to admit he is correct if he can provide any evidence contrary to what has been outlined. I don't understand if he felt so wronged why it took him 13-14 months to come to us. He said he did but I don't see any evidence at all supporting his claims. Nor can I find any evidence supporting his claims that his time was intentionally or unintentionally wasted prior to January 8th 2021.
To clear up a few things:
To my knowledge no one has sent anyone in here to defend us. I know two people outside my partners who have posted in this thread. Rama obviously and one other person I have worked with for many years who I was surprised was even in here bothering. I do not know SimpleRick which is probably a real shocker considering LA has a metro population of 13 million people. I haven't even been to LA since beginning of August.
I'm not sure if Jesse even realizes he is doing it but to come out as social justice warrior over things said in a political chat and then to make prejudice comments about homosexuality by calling people butt buddies, etc.. does seem quite hypocritical. I find this kind of stuff just as appalling as racism personally.
Also it would be careless of us to even consider giving any further details about Jeremy regardless of my disappointment from his posts when there is even a small % chance that his safety would be at risk. So that will not be happening.
https://gyazo.com/fa9302dfa4bb3213ce1f19289455e5e7
Those were Jesse's original comments and he only back peddled after being told that wasn't cool.
This is the first and most likely only time I will respond to this thread. I don't think I have anything else to add to this discussion other than I hope this ends up being a learning experience for all parties involved. I'm not sure everything that is going on with Jesse right now but I hope he makes things right with us and that everything turns out alright for him in the future.
Last edited by CaliStyle; 01-12-2021 at 06:31 PM.
