*vos sos
*que me han dicho

So don't forget as Jesse posted above 'Im not dealing w a little ***** anymore and I guarantee you if i feel like he needs justice he wont ever walk around tijuana again' and 'if i wanted to threaten him...i would have talked to my gang buddies on the street or in the pen'. Thinly veiled threats here.

https://gyazo.com/d22e8636836cba99518ffbb306e4b2dd after jeremy is an hour late with reloads and makes the snide remark 'are you off your meds again', Jesse starts in with insults, makes fun of a 3 tour afghan war veteran for PTSD

https://gyazo.com/6063fc800fb307a6959a6ce8defe9370 Jesse, never in the military - explaining to Jeremy about how soldiers act

https://gyazo.com/298dd69c76cc4dabbc6bb522048cfc69 starts in with **** dumb fk...

https://gyazo.com/b8d259939b88bf7a15fdfc49702c2c2e literally 7 minutes after coming online Jeremy sends the reload (and Jesse claims $60 he's entitled to now for this conversation)

https://gyazo.com/7d506b0cf30266fe2bf65d22a943fcbc Jesse's response to reload being sent is that he's going to find out who Jeremy is, he's lied about being in the military, black or mexican people screwed Jeremy's mom, virtue signals that Jesse is a prime example of integrity and justice, thin threat again to expose Jeremy to the whole city?

Jeremy and I might not agree on 99% of things but we surely do agree on something: get back on your ****ing meds.

Why would we tell you someone's name of a person you have continually threatened physical violence towards? 1. Why is it you allowed racism to be dispersed and vehemently propogated
for many years at your stable? Jeremy is anti illegal immigration that adds to the welfare state in america, and he posts race jokes and memes all the time that you laugh at as long its not directed toward's your mom's race. Way to pick and choose. It's his political stance, sorry it got under your skin, and we've deleted the politics chat as well as the memes chat since apparently this is cancel culture (both chats have been around for like 2 years with the same exact content and no issues). Continually screaming nazi like a social justice baby is fine though, I guess.

fwiw I had similar debates with jeremy about the whole 'africa's average race is in the 70s' thing. I read multiple books on the subject 'Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty'
'The Genius in All of Us: Why Everything You've Been Told About Genetics, Talent, and IQ Is Wrong'
'Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies'
'Frames of Mind: The Theory of Multiple Intelligences'

While he isn't wrong by the metric he uses, he is wrong in the conclusions that he draws. Systemic causes, environmental factors, extractive institutions, and childhood development all play a critical role besides just having genes for being stupid as measured by a abstract knowledge that isn't necessary in plenty parts of the world. I moved on from the debate with him, not wasting my time with it when there are hundreds of other topics we get along on. It was eye opening and thought provoking which made me dig deeper and do my own research, not start insulting him.

I see Jeremy make plenty of jokes about racism, I've never seen him treat or talk to someone poorly based on race. There's a difference - but liberals wanna liberal, black trans lives matter, there are 99 genders who all need separate bathrooms and legal protections, and everyone is entitled to free handouts for life... etc etc. This is Jeremy's problem with where the acceptation of any and all minority groups come into play, it washes away traditional culture and values. He's allowed to have his viewpoints and talk about political opinions...in a politics chat. my god

^ nice focus on victim blaming guys.

- what should be the repercussions?

If this was happening at a normal job in the USA, this would be time to sue. And sue big time. That's what most of you guys don't get.
Imagine if Elon musk said this. Stocks would take a nose dive, and if it had effected even one employee personally or healthwise, well guess what, sue time.

- the accountant is an *******, the stable to continue downplay that fact is hideous but understandable. He is one of them, part of their operation.

Alone the behaviour of this guy should be punished, and it should not be downplayed. He is dealing with 20 of your horses? Well I can understand that someone has a problem firing Nazi bullets, and that must have a bitter taste for the horse. And I would have my problems with that, too.

Anyways, he held back some money because this might be the only thing he can use to force them to do something.

I would say even keeping the money is bad karma and probably not right. Even though you might feel you deserve to be compensated for the terrible time you had with them.

I highly doubt anyone involved had embraced at any point 1930's German National Socialism.

And this is relevant how? If this was happening at a normal job somewhere else in the world or in another point in time this would be handled different: sorry to break it down to you, but the 'murican way of doing most things is not exemplary on any way.

This happened on an online setting at a stable with (grown up) people from all over the World. And let's please not forget for even one second the fact that "this" that happened is an elaborated justification made public to justify running away with a few K and some MU debt.

So you admit that you condoned a culture of racism and bigotry within your organization for two years?

Lots of nice deflection in your post, so I wont cover it all.

I'll just suffice it to say I was going to leave you out of this before you got all emotional and felt you had to the right thing by sticking up for your bosses, whose views are directly complicit in this behavior.

Also, can we really expect Rama to be sincere when his views are very similar to Jeremy's and the bosses' ?

https://gyazo.com/dfd8e4c1e83f8bcdb51893af6cb8f734 oops.

You talk about deflection and all you've done is come up with this huge "everyone is racist" scheme to deflect attention and justify you stealing some cash and running away on MU, what an irony.

They want me to follow the contract, which I did for one year, as stipulated. This was part of the reason I did not want to bail earlier in the year, even though they put out some pretty bad vibes.

And here is the crux of the situation. And it is about 30. To expand slightly more, but I'm sure we will get more answers later. I have seen several people leave and they were all blamed. I thought at the time it could've been there fault, but now I allow room for different prospects. One person in particular used to engage in political chat with the Nazi ring leader, but after some time of being targeted/abused he stopped. Now I used to pick on the guy too, but it was all in fun and he understood that. What Jeremy was doing and has been doing for some time is not joking or having fun (although in his mind maybe it is). He is maliciously attacking, provoking and manipulating the situation because of his irrational White Supremacy.

Bingo! Along with the fact, and more important to me, the Nazis prevented me from playing, earning them a share, wasting everyone's time, making up any makeup (which I have made up 5-6k MU playing 33 abi several times). And they did this several time.



Yes, lots of them did. And now we are finally moving this conversation along.
https://gyazo.com/dfd8e4c1e83f8bcdb51893af6cb8f734

Do I need to requote BHO here, just for simplicity's sake? https://gyazo.com/fed17b2e880175f15eb67c5149c223e4

Again, my time, nor is yours, free. What we choose to do with it is our choice. But, while you are involved in business (and personal life) with another, please do not waste it. While in personal life the consequences are you lose time, friends and opportunities, in business life you lose time, money, roi and can face financial consequences.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.

I have condensed my condensed list even further to make it simpler for the deflectors to answer (you might want to even ask redfivez or someone else with some objectivity) how to answer because you have made a thorough mess so far:

1. Why did you allow this racism and hate to be propagated throughout your stable for many years?
2. Who is nazi boy, Jeremy?
3. How long have you known him and has this played into your decisions to allow him free reign with his attacking behavior
4. Why did you not do anything when I brought this to your attention several times.
5. If you have managed to grow a pair and answer this question. Why has it taken so long and why did you waste time and money doing so? And only when it became public?

No bonus questions this time, sorry.

He is not exactly running away, is he?
He is trying to expose you for what you are. Have you ever hear the term whistleblower?

You guys think that you are above the law, being in Mexico. Tolerating this open racism for that long says what about you? Racism should never be tolerated. Nor should a goebbels type accountant have the power to use racism as a weapon against your horses.

He says: all you respect is the mighty dollar. So there you go, that's why he does this. So find a solution.

He says you injected hate and racism into the group, which was confirmed by your other horses. What you downplay there is nothing else but racism, white supremecy, and plain out hate speech. Your accountant has really f up I would say. You didn't respond to the claims at all. You say our accountant is a "little grumpy" doesnt cut it.

Let's say in a perfect world we're all grey blobs and race isn't a thing.
You are still down ~150 BI's at <33 ABI and obsessed with your time being valuable and demand money for it. I'm not a MTT guy but is that even a winning player any more? What stable would allow someone to lose 150 BI's and not move down while they cry about moving up to stakes "where they respect my raises! 55-109s and i'd CRUSH"
Also as someone who lives in Mexico your obsession with the upper 48 is strange, none of your business, and you clearly haven't asked a local Mexican their thoughts on black people if you think racism is a white American problem.

As a good will gesture and to prove you are sincere, I would still think sending some money back now is the right move. You can still hold some back for negotiations. You don't want to ruin your reputation, even though it's important to out such behaviour.

And mamelas, it's really tough to get an overview on the things he said by clicking on each link.
If you could copy and paste all and put in one post, it would be much easier to understand the outrage.

1. Nobody was threatened. Check the first page of this thread. Someone said something about having the cartel find out. I said no, not a good idea.

2. He is a Nazi. He has repetitively and publicly admired Hitler, saying Merkel was worse than him, because she let immigrants in (sorry dont have this link, but it might be somewhere and if you think he didnt say it, then think that). If you think anything he hasnt said isn't being a Nazi you might want to go read more books.

3. Glad you read those books, cool. Go read some more.
3b) Notice how they all think, because they are so damn clean and educated they must be right. This is your ego speaking boys and girls.

4. While he isn't wrong by any metric he uses. LOLOLOL. And here it is chat. The representation of how they really feel. So does this represent how the bosses think or does it not? Do you apologize or do you not? https://gyazo.com/b59be28b1393b01ca357eda824484361


Anyway,

#AnswerTheQuestions!
#WhoIsJeremy?

Good points. And growing up with Mexican culture present, believe me I know. Even within hispanic/latin culture it is well known racism exists within own countries and from bordering countries. Some countries for example, like Argentina and Uruguay (which is where Rama is from) are known to think very highly of themselves. Even within Mexico and Mexican culture, although I haven't been to Mexico in many years ( I have spent more time than likely any of them around Mexican culture being 30 years old and being around it my entire life), it is commonplace (but not the consensus) to have similar feelings Jeremy does about immigration (minus the racist/bigoted, hate speech parts).

Also, although I feel my profitability is besides the point, I will gladly share at a later time to show you I was and still am profitable. Quoting the below above, because clearly Mr. Blonde might or might not be unhinged, but his reading comprehension is lacking :P "So OP is an unhinged POS who can’t win in the games. Who would’ve thought..." 1.Unhinged is purely subjective, so think what you want. 2. I have been profitable since 2017. I can post whatever graphs at a later time, but I dont want to detract from the main focus here.

Additionally, in a perfect world 1. Assuming I were in the stable, then they wouldn't have been wasting time and money (because of hatred) and this wouldnt be an issue.

#AnswerTheQuestions!
#WhoIsJeremy?

So OP is an unhinged POS who can’t win in the games. Who would’ve thought...

https://gyazo.com/cc362c8b0e6869f0a385f38dcc056030

This will not be what some people like, and certainly not the ego maniacs, but I cannot in good conscious support sending them all at once.
1. They will not answer any questions
2. They are too emotional right now and need to learn tilt control (that one is free of charge btw)
3. Time is money and, as previously stated, they have wasted enough it, so far. So I hope, they will not continue to do so.
4. I cannot in good conscious allow Nazi's to win in spirit or in material, after they have attempted to rob me of both.

To be sincere, I will not spend, nearly, as much time as I had before. But I think now, that we have made some progress it wont be a necessity, as I deemed it earlier.

Thank you for all the comments, whether negative or positive.

Peace and Love. I will be back tomorrow (or maybe tonight I think might be better bc they probably will do loads of blaming and deflecting in the meantime) to see if they have done the following:

#AnswerTheQuestions!
#WhoIsJeremy!?

The amount of time that’s been wasted here, in relation to the dollar amount.... Is outright hilarious!!!!! Keep it going boys hahahahah

+1

His stable saw a lot that they liked in his Hh

Hahahahahha

BINGO BANGO BONGO!!! Now, imagine how much time they wasted of theirs, of mine, and of everyone involved. How much money and efficiency they wasted, because they wanted to let their egos and racism reign?

Lol, cant resist while taking a rest in my yoga, warmup. Plus, this is pure entertainment now. I think my point has been made. Although, dealing with them in a business capacity, may not be done as they have continued to slander and lie about the situation. But yea Im a damn good player and they definitely knew that, despite whatever lies they now want to share.

Someone please help me with this if you will:

#AnswerTheQuestions!
#WhoIsJeremy!?

Because I already said I don't know anyone involved. How many times do I need to tell you that? You probably won't believe me anyways because how could an outside objective party ever disagree with you right? Los Angeles is a big place dude we don't all know each other.

You come across as a genuine bipolar and paranoid schizophrenic in your posts. Seek help. Steal the money or don't, just don't look for any sympathy here.

I missed the racists posts, what did he say that was racist towards Mexicans?

Yeah I don't think OP is even a winning poker player. It's hard to win at poker when you're periodically having manic episodes. You have to be able to keep your emotions in check to win at poker, I don't think OP can regulate his emotions effectively. Just look at the length and quality of his posts, he's clearly bipolar with a splash of schizoaffective disorder.

If I were the stable I'd just chock this one up as a loss and a learning lesson at this point. Do some better vetting in the future and don't let some maniac join the stable.

Good luck OP, I hope you find peace in this world. The first step is to recognize you have issues and to try to deal with them.

Unless you're a medical professional you're not allowed to diagnose people and especially so when it comes to mental disorders because you could cause a lot of harm.

Insinuating that somebody's mental illness makes them inferior to you is as bad as discriminating them based on race. Plenty of people with debilitating mental conditions have been successful beyond your wildest dreams, in poker and elsewhere. When there is a will there is a way.

Also, your suggestion that poker stables should conduct psychological evaluations of horses and/or have access to their mental health records makes me question your own mental state.

https://gyazo.com/f7b78e17c99a039e2f6cbfbeb34e9ad9 With an additionaly 20k in live earnings plus 15k+ on ignition.

I kept my emotions in check by not resorting to ad hominem attacks like you. Also, thank you for your thoughts. This will be the last reply towards those insightful thoughts.

Now, all of a sudden writing in detail about an incident is condemnation. Okay cool story. Should we have an essay contest?

Perhaps you could stop living in your car and playing at the same casinos BHO plays at, without knowing him, and you could be a Psychologist/Psychiatrist. You could do quite well, put the industry out of business and all from a message board! Genius!

If I were at the stable, I'd take more consideration into listening to people, instead of treating them like dirt, but hey your on the moral high horse

Peace is easy bro. A dog has peace. It shits, it eats, it screws and it's at peace (unless the owners **** it up).

And everyone has issues, perhaps you should take a look in the mirror, instead of playing arm psychiatrist out of your car.

With that being said, I am done responding to these two above who only offer ad hominem attacks and nothing of value here, except wasted time.

Let this be a note of the exact mentality the stable engaged in. They attacked me over and over again (as well as others).

"Also, your suggestion that poker stables should conduct psychological evaluations of horses and/or have access to their mental health records makes me question your own mental state."

Yea, I'm done responding to that guy. Go check his other posts. And hey mine aren't squeaky clean, but I'll at least tell you when I'm wrong and not engage in pure name calling, without reason.

This is why my time is being charged, because clowns like this will do it ad nauseum until you put your foot down.

Then, they wouldn't have had to finally come to me and issue an insincere apology, only to back walk that apology moments later, when they got emotional. You see Rick? I keep my emotions in check. It's not me bruh. Look at their replies and look at yours. I put out the facts.

Furthermore, they wouldn't have had to come in here and continue to play the blame game, after they already admitted wrong doing. None of it would have happened.

Here is a condensed list of what I have so far. I, POSSIBLY, have more in my email, which I saved from before, but as previously stated Jeremy (the Nazi who apparently gets anonymity, so they can attack my character from 7 years ago) and/or the bosses, when they realized I was really done with their shenanigans scrubbed all of the chat of lots of worse things than what I have posted. If you don't think this is true and you think these things below were said in isolation and they only tried to waste an hour of my time, then just lol just lol.
**Which btw if you look out bollywood's post before you will notice 3 things. 1) He agreed with the nazi that some people are born with low iq genes. Direct quote here: "all play a critical role besides just having genes for being stupid." No wonder they wanted to treat me bad.
2)After jeremy is an hour late. They can't even tell the truth about this ONE instance. Look at the time stamps bro. And this wasn't ONE time. This was repetitive manipulative games from the people with smart genes /s
3)after jeremy is an hour late with reloads and makes the snide remark 'are you off your meds again', Jesse starts in with insults, makes fun of a 3 tour afghan war veteran for PTSD.

I'm sorry I insulted the guy after he shat on my mom, my grandma, my aunts, my uncles, my nieces, my cousins, my girlfriends, etc etc.

Again with the superiority complex.

So here it is for the record as washoe recommended, so anyone else can keep up:

Immigrant hate speech: If you think this wasn't ever directed at Mexicans, then I don't know what to tell you, but as stated before it was all deleted, when they wised up.
https://gyazo.com/047f41e04affde62cf30bed2e1af8bce

Haitian hate speech:
https://gyazo.com/d7ddde15801255069bb2ef91d8ef40ed

Should have got the entire context of this, but I made a mistake when sifting through it all. He has made several, several statements about Nazism and an Aryan World/or America being his desired outcome: https://gyazo.com/d59d5231a688bc9daeb6756559b259bc

Rama (who came in here to defend and attack, because he thought it would make himself look good):
https://gyazo.com/dfd8e4c1e83f8bcdb51893af6cb8f734

Another member talking about hesitancy to talk with Jeremy because of his attitude and knowing he will hold a grudge: https://gyazo.com/a8819023dba2a64b64e6bdf160255bb0

Liberals are only good if they do black face: https://gyazo.com/d1faadcf77af8c7d1cbdfb59e8e039f9

Relishing in being called a Klan man, well because he is one either literally or in spirit: https://gyazo.com/a83e7806bfc7d31eec143c75712f7f41

"Importing 80 iq people." If we can just import people like goods, I wonder how we treat those people? Or anyone who we deem as low IQ: https://gyazo.com/6ea529bdac20a78b1fa09b68fe616225

Him hoping people in Africa will be killed by covid. Bolly this is not a political difference. This is what is called an attack on people: https://gyazo.com/600cd1cffefd356ede6d9993b536ca5e

Him getting mad at me for the first time. Probably was mad before, because 1. He knew my mother's side is Mexican 2. He knew : https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/2c75d...a5283a-png.jpg

Him getting mad and "despising" it. I'm sure Nazi man who wants "German Reunification" and hates immigrants let it go real quick. Oh and by the way, because I had asked that question if I sent in the required material he later came back 2 hours later, after he smoked a J to say "What did you want a reload?" Me: "Yes" and then it happened. This sort of thing happened constantly with this guy : https://gyazo.com/2a026af2bd0406399d59e508810f2648

Admittance from another member there is something wrong with the guy: https://gyazo.com/70b6d18a4d03607db7ca8f9d4e8c2bf5

Admittance from BHO (a boss, whose name we also dont have right now) and what seems to me to be damage control. But only after I told them umpteen times, I'm not dealing with that *******, while I need to make money for you guys and myself: https://gyazo.com/71cb049cb7fd980cbb2b69d685fbd16b

There are likely too many more to post and I will have to search my PC and my email to find this, but as I have said many times and as another poster noted. This is way too much over way too little money. However, because they continued to do WAY TOO MUCH, ad nauseum I, eventually, decided enough was enough.

So, I guess SimpleRick was right with his simple take. I probably, cant retroactively charge them, because then they would have to send me money for all of the time I have spent, including this hour typing up this long post.


With that done now, let us again and with now tired eyes and fingers, turn to that actual matter at hand and be done with the ad hominem/whataboutism trolls:

1. Why did you allow this racism and hate to be propagated throughout your stable for many years?
2. Who is Jeremy?
3. How long have you known him and has this played into your decisions to allow him free reign with his attacking behavior?
4. Why did you not do anything when I brought this to your attention several times.
5. If you have managed to answer this question. Why has it taken so long and why did you waste time and money doing so? And only when it became public?

#AnswerTheQuestions!
#WhoIsJeremy!?