lolol @ exposing

if you felt offended why didn't you address it first time you saw it with these people in private you snowflake

While I have appreciated your take and your responses washoe, I will not be seeking any sort of mediation. My time is being charged plain and simple. Without delving into feelings and being objective, they allowed a racist/bigot to run their money after repeatedly being warned I will not be working with that man.

This is addressed in the first post...

Ill find the quote later for you if you cannot big boy

Eating is higher up in my hierarchy than "being a snowflake," but it was only after several disregarded attempts to contact them about this and having my time repeatedly disregarded/disrespected and after one year of this non "snowflake" playing games with my money have I decided to stand up. Enough is enough of preventing me from making money and wanting me to make up money and make money for them. Make up has never been a problem for me. I have made up the amount which I have with them rn several several times. I've lost 30k of my own money before, so I could give a **** less about that. It's the literal prevention of earning which I take offense at. If you want to call me a snowflake then that's cool. Everyone has a different take. Just dont follow me around in my personal life trying to annoy me lol.

I gotta go now and make money.

And being a whore for money imo describes 99% of the world

so quit and find another stable instead of being whore for money if it goes against your principles

We’re they playing games with your time/money for a year or 2 weeks?
Unless I’m missing something these posts are inconsistent.

I feel bad for the stable needing to deal with you. Seems obvious why they wouldn’t want to work with you anymore.

Yeah OP you're just a thief plain and simple. You can't retroactively charge someone for your time. That's just stealing. Do whatever mental gymnastics you want, but you're not entitled to their money just because your feelings were hurt. Time for you to get a real job.

Since you posted everyone else's name in effort to be transparent can you post your full name Jesse so others will know not to do business with you?

For a year this man has been playing games. Since, Dec 23rd his games have intensified. Final answer.

Actually not everyone's name was posted, so lets get Jeremy's name out there and BHOs and I will gladly post my name. But as I posted in the first post I do have a criminal record, so what? I havent been in trouble for over 7 years now. Let's also get any other records out there. Im interested in military records (if there does happen to be one).

And that's your opinion. My time was wasted and I attempted to tell them this several occasions. Time is money. You're clearly associated with them, so let's put it out there HOW you are associated with them.

And yes you certainly can retroactively charge people. However, I will list an itemized receipt later, which shows it is 95% from the time of Dec 23rd.
Please tell me which court of law your non ex post facto applies in?

And you are a biased liar, who wasnt upfront with your bias. There? See 2 people can do that.

I feel bad for the several people who are latin decent who have to deal with this *******. I feel bad for the people's time he wasted because of his bull crap. I feel bad for the people who left the stable because their time was wasted because of this nazi.

So what? Feelings dont matter. Facts do.

And i feel bad for the Mexican people in Tijuana and Rosarito who have to deal with this ******* calling them 60 iq people who destroy American culture and should be stoned. Those are the real people I feel bad for, as they serve him tacos and tequila and behind closed doors he shits on them.

my my how the turn tables

Haven't been in trouble in 7 years but you're in trouble now, because you are stealing.

I'm not biased. I have no idea who you are or who these people are. I have no association with anyone involved.

You cannot retroactively charge people for your time, that is plain stealing. Cut ties with these people if you want but pay them back the money that you owe them. And tell us your full name Jesse if you want to be transparent so others will know not to do business with you.

What did I lie about?

Ah my bad.
When you said “he had done reloads in a very timely manner for almost a year, kudos to him”, I interpreted that differently him playing games with you.

1. You know my name. How do you know my name?
2. And im not in trouble with anyone, this is your subjective opinion
3. I choose to charge my time, however I please, and plenty of it was wasted in the past and plenty was wasted currently (along with everyone's involved) . Please show me the rule book that corroborates your statement about stealing and retroactive pay, as well as compensation.

Yes he had. This is me giving him credit for good things. Don't you realize people do some good things and some bad things at times? Or do you think the Nazi was a saint in all other regards, like the other guy?
More importantly, he chose in a discriminatory manner to target me because of his White Supremacy and my overt disagreement with it to play games with time and money.

Funny, but you are missing the point.

And i state this in the OP, but I guess you just want to pick and choose some individual quotes and take them out of context.

I repeatedly said everyone's time and money was being wasted and ENOUGH IS/WAS ENOUGH. If you want to waste my time and my money after REPEATED attempts to rectify the situation - and with BLATANT disregard from the bosses making EXCUSE after EXCUSE for the guy - then yes I have to put my foot down and speak the only language most people speak. The language of the dollar.

Again they had chance after chance to rectify the situation and stop wasting everyone's time. They disrespected that and I was unable to earn money, because of this Nazi. Take it however you want.

They call you Jesse in the screenshots you posted. "Charging your time" retroactively is just plain stealing. Stop calling it something else. No one on these forums is going to agree with you that you have a right to retroactively charge your stable for wasting your time. It's just stealing.

Simplerick, nice to see you back I thought.
But now you are defending these guys?
Why? Is it true you got banned for racism?
They called you racist rick and I was shocked and couldnt believe it. Now you are defending these guys and I'm even more shocked.

Well why not charge $10,000/hour. Why sell yourself so short?

Im agreeing though with simplerick that it seems not right to keep the money. That's why I suggested a mediator to decide if you deserve compensation. That way You would have a witness for future businesses. You seem to have mixed feelings about the team, and only one guy is an extreme idiot/racist?

From now on I will tell people this upfront in business interactions. Perhaps they will be more respectful of time and not bullshit around. Im sure racist people might think twice about playing their games if they had to pay out of pocket.

Thanks for the idea.

I understand this and I appreciate all your takes, as stated before. I will send back what is not charged. At the same time, I feel it is unacceptable to miss out on money because a Nazi is targeting you causing you to miss out on paychecks.

Yes, in a word. There are many good people there, some *******s. They run the stable well - some unscrupulous things people who dont like stables wouldnt like- but the way they handled this and made excuses for the nazi, changed my opinion on them.
The way they didn't step up from jump street, the way they allowed the ******* to target people with aggressive, racist behavior, and then the way the backwalked their original stance by apologizing, and the flip flopping after they got mad, sealed the deal for me. They are just as culpable as the Nazi.

So i might have to agree now with your Title suggestion change.
Mods can we change title please to Washoe's suggestion? "Nazi Stable in Mexico Does Nazi Things" ?

And at this point, I'm about done. I have answered many of the questions and comments (both legitimate and snide alike) and even many of those questions were answered in the OP.

Now, I am only waiting for ****faces's name and I will give mine.

I can tell that you feel unfairly treated and that you as a consequence lost money. Although this is a complicated subject.
That's why I think it's best to step up to a jury and let someone else decide. If you just be the judge yourself, people might take it the wrong way.

I understand. It seems a mod has deleted the 4th page and we are not to talk about people's name, I am to assume?

Unfortunately, I don't think there is any jury and there isn't even a jury, which has jurisdiction. My last 3 weeks of work were greatly affected (intensified hate from Nazi boy) so I dont trust any person other than myself to compensate me for my time. Again, this could have been avoided had the 3 bosses stepped up and did the right thing. Instead, they allowed Nazi boy to run rampant and no matter what they say in their half-assed apology to me it is a poor reflection on you guys.

KingKrab decided to lie and make stuff up about me to sully my character. I'm not racist and I don't condone any form of bigotry.

I'm not defending the stable or the racist comments that the accountant made. I'm just saying that's not justification to steal their money and claim retroactively being paid for time wasted. That's clearly just stealing. OP is trying to justify theft and that's wrong.

Read my statement above, after you reread yours. This is not justification. And again I wrote this in the first post.
What I am saying is Nazi boy prevented me from working due to his Nazi games.

I had wrote on page 4, which was deleted that I am about done now. I have said and answered many things I already stated.

Waiting for a mod to chime in on what is allowed and what isn't. But i suppose we are not allowed to talk about names.

Also SimpleRick you never answered how you know my name?

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Also Simplerick I notice that you live in Los Angeles, which coincidentally or not, is where BHO lives. Is it possible you have connections with him? Should just be honest upfront bro.

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Disregard the name question. I see now. But also, I do find it interesting you are in LA so that question stands. Also, any other connection you may or may not have with Three Amigos or any of the bosses, be it BHO or not, seems relevant here.

With that I will leave you with another member who has had issues with Nazi boy before. This impedes your working ability and having to go through a Nazi while you are in makeup or trying to make ends meet definitely cost you money. I don't see anyway around that. Maybe people speak up and maybe they don't. As I said, I had enough of the discrimination and time wasting, for everyone involved.
https://gyazo.com/a1c14ce3b5121f1aa9c27afa8e694bd6

I really don't even think it's that big a deal and I don't care what 99% of the people have to say. I just wanted to set the record straight and say these nazis prevented me from working, costing me money and energy (even posting what I've done has been somewhat of a waste, because all of us could've taken this energy to do something else more productive.) So don't come at me saying Im stealing when they stole time from everyone involved. If you do want to call it that, then that's your choice.

Again, just waiting for Jeremy's name and I will post mine. I will also post screenshots of my itemized charges and screens of me sending money back. ** Betonline requires playthrough requirements and so this will have to be cleared to send money back. I will honor the stake and send any profits 50/50 back and if/when i continue to play poker I will send 50/50 profits back until Makeup is cleared. But i will not waste anymore of my time, of your time, and of their time with this nonsense which they created and allowed.


p.s. still waiting for them to respond, but i guess since they ****ed up so much they are now doing the wise thing and shutting the hell up. also, they probably think if they are quiet then it's a better chance 1. it just dies down 2. i send money back asap.

There is a lot to go through here so we will try and keep it as condensed as possible. We’ll break everything down in a timeline to give better context to the situation. We started staking Jesse middle of November 2019. Our deal from the start was the following taken directly from his contract

https://gyazo.com/748ba98df4bc5dc0f9afe935fdd33ef4

Also everything was properly laid out before any contract was finalized

https://gyazo.com/7fb821d3d0a698fb370e59a1fc06a1db

Everything was relatively smooth for the first 3 months until about middle of February 2020 when Jesse came to us upset with the deal, running bad, low on funds, and that he thought he should be playing higher stakes based off limited success he previously had. He seemed to think he should be playing much higher since he had made 68k on the Chico network over 5000 games. We didn’t agree with his assessment and believed we had him in the right games. We also do not even stake for the stakes he wanted to be in and let him know again as we were transparent from the start and there are other stables that would of be been better suited. We didn’t understand why he agreed to our deal in the first place if it was an issue. After walls and walls of messages we offered Jesse the following options which included allowing him to leave his deal prematurely.

1) You figure out a way to continue as is. Maybe there are some tweaks we can make to keep this going that are win-win.
2) You clear your MU and look for other backing. You have held up your end of things to this point. We would close out the deal and agree to part ways.
3) You buy out (we can set up a payment plan if need be) and we part ways now.
4) You move on from poker and we eat the losses. We expect you to contact us if you come back to the game since you owe us MU.

Jesse decided to stay and continue as is. We also make it a point to offer prechops for our players and at this time Jesse was taking advantage of this and did throughout the entirety of the stake to put some money in his pocket while in makeup.

One thing we will point out is I don’t know where he came up with that he was bait and switched in anyway. If you look at the beginning of this post Jesse is representing that what was said was bait and switch but the conversation he put up took place even before the contract was finalized. After the issue in Feb we agreed his game had improved by first week of April. Things had been going smooth so we moved him up to the following stakeshttps://gyazo.com/92e80d0265c7b444964a103bf2ff3184 also we had in our agreement we could revise stakes at our discretion which we only do in cases where we feel the player really needs to move down as we made a really bad initial assessment, major tilt issues that need to be addressed, etc.. https://gyazo.com/c97c4b9d69b77e84fa471df850b7fa54

To further validate what we are saying here are his results since he has played with us most importantly his ABI and games we approved him to play.

https://gyazo.com/374a5cf1550a56306ed06299359e0910

Starting in April of 2020 there was a small issue with our accountant who gets grumpy when people don’t follow his directions. We don’t believe anything much to be said by our accountant other than he didn’t like his time being wasted. Jesse admittedly got into an argument with him. We informed him at that time please just follow the instructions and don’t start arguments with him as he has a specific way he does things and it works well when people follow the instructions as he has 20+ guys to deal with.

Everything seemed smooth for quite some time with occasional comments like Jesse saying he was bored of playing since he wasn’t playing 109s+ and things of that nature but that was just Jesse being Jesse at this point. Although Jesse was more of a headache to deal with than 95% of the players we stake I thought we got in a pretty good rhythm with him and the partners really had no major issues with him. On December 22nd we received a message from Jesse angry with our accountant and asked for screenshots of the conversation. We found a bunch of banter in our politics chat that represent opinions we don’t share and realized it was very unprofessional. That is our blame to take for even allowing a platform in our group which can create division. We deleted the chat as we realized there was no benefit to having it especially in the current times we live in. Jesse wanted to quit the stake right then and there as you can probably tell from his hyper posting he gets quite emotional and reacts quickly. The next day he said he would continue to play when he got back from out of town and we thought we had squashed the situation as he then proceeded to ask if we wanted live action the next day and business as usual.

He then sent a message a few days after Christmas apologizing for what he said to our accountant but upset by what had been said to him as well. We had a big internet group hug about how this has no place in the group. We dealt internally with our accountant but it seemed to be brewing with Jesse even after our post holiday chat where we thought things were all good.

Jesse had made some representations that he had been dealing with this for over a year and that it has affected his ability to play. We have reviewed all our chat logs and we find this to be factually untrue as we cannot find any reference of there ever being an issue until 3 days ago which we are having a hard time seeing the issue on our end regarding getting him funds in an appropriate time if this is the only thing he has ever brought up in regards to getting money in a timely manner. We think Jesse was looking for a confrontation with our accountant based on conversations not related to poker that took place in the past. Here is the situation that transpired on January 8th 2021 just 3 days ago as of this posting.

https://gyazo.com/b8cce07f083c35e231e7cd745565f7b1

https://gyazo.com/c4e4c5cfabecab74833d18fed267f5bf

https://gyazo.com/c0c37a99a40f10797200dba9c37d508b


https://gyazo.com/f8753c35792a042d48fe8e1ac5ccdf2c

While not professional on either end we think it’s clear Jesse was looking for confrontation from things that took place two weeks prior. To my knowledge there was no other private conversations after the politics chat was closed down around December 22nd as I think Jesse would of mentioned it as he isn’t one to shy away from long winded debates or conversations as is apparent in this thread.

After this situation took place which is the only time it was brought to our attention there was any issue with our accountant prior to the accountant giving Jesse an earful 8 months prior Jesse had the following to say.

https://gyazo.com/2f3a8a666cd03da1a6fadeb012796a95

https://gyazo.com/662b950456950253c9594c586eeabc85

https://gyazo.com/ebf73c4dd94ca2e26e08059b6a6dba29

Jesse also makes a claim that he was in jail/prison for 4 years and has gang affiliated ties in which he made thinly veiled threats of extreme violence in his posts. We find this remarkable if true for a few reasons. The only crimes he committed we can find on public record took place in 2018 which was only 3 years ago and those were two misdemeanor charges while he was in Portland, Oregon. I also have found it very rare that a hardened criminal goes from a street thug to a Pio Gangsta. His crime was an assault 4 and menacing charge which is about the least Thug Life crime you can get charged for. You can read more about that here if you’d like

https://andersonhunterlaw.com/person...estic-violence

From everything we have gathered this came up all from our accountant being an hour late on when Jesse wanted him to show up. We understand it was a blow up from prior resentment and we had previously addressed that issue or so we thought. I don’t believe Jesse’s time to have been wasted throughout our stake anymore than potentially the 1 hour our accountant was late for topping him up. I think Jesse is using this language of his time being wasted because he was previously told not to waste the accountants time and just follow the instructions that were given to him to keep things smooth back in April of 2020.

Jesse claims we owe him $100/hr for his time which once again we don’t understand the logic there. This issue ended up being a 1 hour thing and all the rest of the communication back and forth was a result of Jesse wanting to talk things out.

At this point we aren’t sure what exactly Jesse even wants out of this. It feels a lot like he is trying to get the 2+2 community on his side so he can not owe the full amount he owes or keep some of the money in his accounts. He claims this not the case but then says he is charging us for his time. We have apologized multiple times for the unprofessionalism that took place and even thought we had resolved that.

The last year has been quite a weird year for many especially those still living in the US. No issues outside of this situation was brought to our attention but it’s very plausible that other things are taking place right now in Jesse’s life and we respect that. We don’t wish any ill will on Jesse and would like to resolve this issue with him and go our separate ways at this point and truly hope that everything works out for him moving forward.

No one should be subject to racial abuse in a work place. If I were the person who was constantly attacked like this, I would leap at the opportunity to ditch them in 5k makeup. That's called karma *****.

Those Discord diatribes really are something else. I was just about to admonish OP for conducting himself in such a poor manner, but then I went to his arrest page and saw this:

Jesse, if you're reading this, I'd like to say that I'm sorry. I didn't know of your disability and I apologize for any negative posts I made in this thread. I can't even imagine how difficult each day must be living with your condition. I sincerely hope things get better for you.

this

lol very funny.