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01-31-2021 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

How does that even make sense? If OP had paid back the money, he could have started the exact same thread - and had much more universal support.
You could be right, you could be wrong. I have to think about it and answer to all your points later. Am tired of the sunday grind. Hope everyone had a good run.

I am just shocked that these stupid comments lead to Jesse losing his backer.
He is a man of principles and a tough negotiater. The reason I am arguing for him is because he stood up for the right thing. Would I have done the same?
Not so sure. If I would have ignored it, it would have left a bitter taste while playing. I would have probably quit and repaid the money. Sometimes you gotta stick to your principles.
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02-05-2021 , 04:06 PM
Not to keep this going, but here is where things stand...

https://gyazo.com/58b2b6123a1add80dab915ce1199833c

Jesse, you owe us the remaining $2,671 cash that was in your accounts when you abandoned the stake. We expect this to be paid in full by the end of the month, or, for you to map out a payment plan and honor it. You will owe us the full amount invested if you don't pay back the cash in your accounts.

We hope to avoid anymore back and forth and prefer you handle your agreed-upon obligations, if you don't, we will be leaving negative feedback of our own via the appropriate channels.

https://gyazo.com/04fe33c4ef5cf2b389fc51e760981c9f
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02-07-2021 , 03:09 AM
Jesse does your mom know you're disgusting RAT
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02-17-2021 , 01:26 PM
I wouldn't call him a rat as per se. This situation is rather complex. There is people who will tolerate what was said and there is people that won't. I would like to believe I would have spoke up, but then I'm sure not everyone would speak up in such a case. I think it shows he wants to make good on it. What's the situation guys?
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02-17-2021 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dipandglide
Not to keep this going, but here is where things stand...

Jesse, you owe us the remaining $2,671
Not only can't you address a problem, which was brought to your attention, which would have helped your business run smoother ( had you not stuck up for your POS friend), but now you also can't add and continue to tell lies. I already posted screens of me sending back $, so try again dumb ****.

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we will be leaving negative feedback of our own via the appropriate channels.
Oh no, what will I do? Perhaps, you should have and still should be looking to mitigate any of the damage done to you and your org. Wonder what your wife will think of Jeremy when she finds out she calls her people smelly, low iq people who should be cleansed from the earth. [/QUOTE]


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Originally Posted by washoe
I wouldn't call him a rat as per se. This situation is rather complex. There is people who will tolerate what was said and there is people that won't. I would like to believe I would have spoke up, but then I'm sure not everyone would speak up in such a case. I think it shows he wants to make good on it. What's the situation guys?
Let them call me what they want. I clearly have little concern for low level thought people.
And yes, most people would sit idly by and let nonsense reign, as is the case of this stable. They allowed it for multiple years, because they thought it was funny. They thought and still think they are better, big brain people.
This is the real shame.

I'm all for punishment and justice. However, they think it should only be one sided and in this world, which lacks justice, I had to make my own. You guys are quite lucky it didn't turn out worse for you.
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02-17-2021 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I have no idea why you're including me in this. I've taken nothing out of context, and all I've said about this issue is that OP has been hurling insults in return, which he has. Repetitively.

I've been thinking about this. Yes he hurled insults but I got from that he was really upset, which I understood why he would be.
Butt buddies makes sense in only one context - as a homophobic remark. As for apologizing - yes, he did, while minimizing it at every chance he could. "And so many people may love to be called a butt buddy. I told him I would respect his decision not to be called that." "Calling someone a buddy is not a negative connoting word." Kind of reminds me of those "sorry you were offended" apologies we see so often. And in the meantime, he continues with the Nazi remarks. How meaningful is an apology followed by more insults?

Nazi remarks were a bit much I agree. But how else would you want to call what was said? I think the term Nazi was rather fitting to the context.

I don't really care if he wants to carry on like this, that's up to him. My only point is that it may weaken his case in the eyes of some, and perhaps even in legal proceedings. How seriously should outrage at racist remarks be taken when the same person is making what most would see as homophobic remarks?

I think in this instance the racist remarks outweigh the (potentially) homophobic remarks by far. He tried to imply that "they" are close. And apologized immediately after and never used it again. If they were all females and you said something similar would it be offensive? If you said lovers to 2 girls would anyone take offense? I think not. Bottom line is being gay is widely accepted and in this instance the implication was visible. They are close. So close that they were teaming up on him.

In the meantime, he has now managed to misconstrue/misrepresent my posts not once, not twice, but four times. And when I called him out for it again the last time, his reply was "Yes, how do you think I felt, after constantly dealing with Jeremy and his radicalism?" - like that has anything to do with our conversation and somehow makes it OK. OP's credibility is pretty lacking IMO.

Op was obviously a little tilted from the ganging up on him.

The word stable has two distinct meanings, which you seem to be confusing. The noun and the adjective are very different.
I don't knowing the origin of that term. For me it always meant to stabilize someone in the context of poker.

2+2ers have a really strange obsession with Joe Ingram as some kind of savior for anything poker-related. It's even more oddly placed here. I have never known him to be some kind of staking expert, and I don't see what there is to arbitrate.

Joe did a lot of good work i.e. when he fought for one players win when he got disconnected during a bbj. He is obviously trying to help the community.


This incorrect understanding of yours seems to drive a lot of your belief that there is something to arbitrate. Hate speech is illegal in many places. Racism is, rightly, not acceptable to most people. Racism not being allowed anywhere? That's ridiculous. I expect there are very few, if any, places where one could make the sweeping statement that racism isn't allowed.

And that is rather frightening that there are places, unregulated ones Or regulated under a sick/oppressive regime where it's acceptable.

How does that even make sense? If OP had paid back the money, he could have started the exact same thread - and had much more universal support.
I could agree that he could hold back less money and get more support. Maybe this is already resolved?
What's the status?
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02-17-2021 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Codecci
Jesse does your mom know you're disgusting RAT
I think this is a bit too much, considering OP is dealing with racist, if not extremely prejudiced, people. Every post they make defending it, only further proves OP's point.

Hell, even one of them came in here apologizing for it. Then proceeded to call everyone soft and "easily offended" by "good-nature jokes." If these are the same jokes OP is talking about, then I can see why he would not like these dudes. The way they have responded to those accusations here is proof they have blinders on with this subject. They are oblivious.

Anybody that joins the American military probably has quite a bit of prejudice in them already and that establishment only makes it worse. Maybe that has something to do with it also

Either way, OP can't take money that's not his on this basis. Its wrong and only makes your case worse. If you had given the roll back, I would say you're clear of MU, based on the obvious problem this stable has.
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02-17-2021 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett


The word stable has two distinct meanings, which you seem to be confusing. The noun and the adjective are very different.


2+2ers have a really strange obsession with Joe Ingram as some kind of savior for anything poker-related. It's even more oddly placed here. I have never known him to be some kind of staking expert, and I don't see what there is to arbitrate.

Joe has a big reach. Maybe the biggest reach in poker right now. He could alert other stables and bring attention to this case very easily. The solution or whats there to arbitrate? Get Jesse a new stable. One that he is comfortable working with.

Alternatively he could make the stable a more cool and fun place to be around eben for minorities. And work out a suitable working option at 3 amigos.
Afterall Joeingram is a very cool dude, aka Aye Aye Papocito, aka whats up Papi etc, aka dios mio captain GTA etc.

Last edited by washoe; 02-17-2021 at 03:53 PM.
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02-17-2021 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boliver
literally started my post with "it doesn't matter..." but that seems to be the only sticking point jesse keeps trying and failing to make is that people said bad things to him and his family. Quite the opposite is true and has been posted redundantly, of Jesse being extremely foul directly to Jeremy, as well as the partners of the stable.

And you really wonder why?! re. gaslighting. not a new age word. It means twisting or whitewashing of reality.

You accuse me/us of gaslighting, a newage word to me, but means psychological abuse and manipulation. whattt?? Stop blaming others for your inadequacies and demanding that they foot the bill for your frivolous demands. Personal responsibility is all but lost when people are demanding to be paid for offhand racist comments and 'psychological abuse'. Grow up.

Nope, I see a damage done, by you guys not having their **** together, you adressed it but now you are backpaddeling, again.

Jeremy said some things that were subjectively out of line for those easily offended. We never condoned this behavior but learned from it and deleted any chats where those discussions were taking place. what else should we be expected to do in that situation? Especially when everything was fine for 12 months and then out of the blue we are all nazi's when a reload is a couple hours late.

You really ask me what else should you be expected? seriously?
How about issue a formal apology and not paddle back? Just stick to the initial acknowledgement fffs. Everything else is bananas. That would be sincere and professional. Nothing else would be. On top of that and I have a little background in PR and marketing, but I think its common sense. If you acknowledged that, like you did, which is harming OP, then award him some kind of compenstaion for the troubles (things mentioned over and over itt)


Hmm, what else could you have done? How about not letting the guy, that just insulted an entire race, deal 1 on 1 with the horse that was offended? Common sense guys, just common sense.

We also fulfilled Jesse's wishes and completed our community service to the latino community by helping 10 actual latinos make over 200k between them while playing under us and helping to further their poker careers, and a decent amount more when you include all the loans we gave them to help pay bills while in MU. (missing one guy who blocked some of his SS accounts with us who was up 80k or so iirc)


cce9
what have you done to put a quarter mill in the bank for 'your people' Jesse, besides plundering money and time from those who provide these opportunities?

Nobody is defined by any demographic, they are defined by their actions. Jesse is stealing money from people he decided he didn't like and playing the race card to garner sympathy towards his misplaced social justice cause.

If things worked like that and I could just demand money from anyone I disagreed with while keeping a clear conscience I'd be stoked! That's just not how the world works though, unless you are delusional.
Well done helping the community but this here itt was an inconsistant pile of crap.
You have been switching from, oh yeah sorry bro you had to encounter this, we f up, to youre an *******, nothing happened. lols

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02-17-2021 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Maybe_memories
Anybody that joins the American military probably has quite a bit of prejudice in them already and that establishment only makes it worse. Maybe that has something to do with it also
This is an incredibly ignorant statement.
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02-17-2021 , 05:28 PM
This one is for Jeremy. Funny story I have a friend from Virginia that got dishonerly discharged or however they call it from the army for pulling a gun to his sergeant.

Enjoy.. great moves
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02-18-2021 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mamelas
Not only can't you address a problem, which was brought to your attention, which would have helped your business run smoother ( had you not stuck up for your POS friend), but now you also can't add and continue to tell lies. I already posted screens of me sending back $, so try again dumb ****.



Oh no, what will I do? Perhaps, you should have and still should be looking to mitigate any of the damage done to you and your org. Wonder what your wife will think of Jeremy when she finds out she calls her people smelly, low iq people who should be cleansed from the earth.

I addressed your accusations in my main post. People can make their own judgments. I am not going to waste my time arguing with someone whose delusional and deceiving.

We have received $605 ($154.60 on 1-12 and $450.40 on 1-25) out of the $1,000 (1-8) you were conveniently topped up before starting this whole thing. Why haven't you sent the remaining $395 from that top-up? And why haven't you sent the cash that was in your other accounts? You owe us money that we would like returned and paid back. Message us here, or in PM, your payments and plan moving forward. See my above post for details on those numbers.
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02-19-2021 , 08:48 AM
Guys please play nice, both sides have reason to be upset imo as of now, although one side started it, it wont end if you both keep attacking each other. I was appointed by op to be a mediator in this thread, I am really sorry to have done such a poor job.

Lets start over again. Fresh start. Its not the end of the world. If you both are reasonable this can end on good terms I promise you. Can anyone tell me, who is the boss of 3 amigos? Who is in charge? Is it two guys? Who is the most reasonable and has the most heart? Ive heard only good things about you guys prior to this incident.

Please guys, dont blow this out of proportion, not the end of the world. it can be done firiendly and to everyones satisfaction. No more suffering for anyone in this thread. Lets do it. Humans make mistakes thats a given. Lets all be more civil and open hearted.
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02-19-2021 , 09:34 AM
Ok Bobo Fett, I respect you as a moderator and all but I'd say that right now there's a 98% chance that washoe = Jesse.

The remaining 2% is 1% for washoe being friend's with Jessee from before and the remaining 1% is for washoe being really super naive and buying Jesse's narrative of 'racial abuse'.
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02-19-2021 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ramabranch
Ok Bobo Fett, I respect you as a moderator and all but I'd say that right now there's a 98% chance that washoe = Jesse.

The remaining 2% is 1% for washoe being friend's with Jessee from before and the remaining 1% is for washoe being really super naive and buying Jesse's narrative of 'racial abuse'.
I also respect bobo a lot. And I think he knows I am not Jesse. Im just an idiot who wants to help you guys.

Rama I think you are the boss of 3 Amigos. Would it be an option to just let Jesse play and continue to make money for the both of you?

The 1% chance you could be more on the spot, but even that I wanna explain you. If I had seem those comments I would be superupset too. Something had to happen for the good of your team. I think you should look at it positively. Mistakes are made to learn from it.
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02-19-2021 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I also respect bobo a lot. And I think he knows I am not Jesse. Im just an idiot who wants to help you guys.

Rama I think you are the boss of 3 Amigos. Would it be an option to just let Jesse play and continue to make money for the both of you?
I'm not the boss, as I stated on my first post in this thread I'm one of their players.
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02-19-2021 , 09:46 AM
And no I am not Jesses friend. I would like to be, as he is a good player. A little hotheaded but I think he is spot on when he reacted that way.
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02-19-2021 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ramabranch
I'm not the boss, as I stated on my first post in this thread I'm one of their players.
Ok my bad. You have a good team. Maybe you can put in a word to make it even better.

I gotta run. All the best and gl!

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02-22-2021 , 06:19 AM
All stables are cancer. Cheap people trying to make bank investing little to nothing and exploiting their own players. Lot of resources allocated to track and audit players off-table gathering information they have no right for. I'm talking about serious lawsuit worthy privacy violations and financial abuse. Stay away. Play with your own money or don't play at all.
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02-22-2021 , 05:58 PM
To anyone wondering about any updates to this situation:

Jesse paid back about $600, hasn't made a payment or contacted us to make things right in over a month, and still owes us over $6500.
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02-23-2021 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by boliver
To anyone wondering about any updates to this situation:

Jesse paid back about $600, hasn't made a payment or contacted us to make things right in over a month, and still owes us over $6500.
How much makeup you pushed onto him? Do you guys do the DNS poisoning as well?

Just asking if I'm not too indiscrete
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