I have been a part of two stables, as of today 1/9/2021. **This will not be a short first post. If thats what you want kick rocks. **

After reading several times of stables being aids within our community, I understand their reasoning. I don't 100% agree this is the case and this post is not a condemnation of the stable industry. I have met some people who choose to be upstanding, trustworthy humans and I have met others who choose to relish in their ability to lourde over others and use their positions as means of empowerment.

Unfortunately, this story like many of the news stories today, focuses more on the latter, than the former. Yet, I would like to emphasize the former and hold accountability to all involved, myself included; whether it be good or bad.

If you have not been lost by now (or you are still here and wish to go tldr at the bottom here is your unoriginal chance ). This post will focus on my dealings with Three Amigos Stable, but I was a part of Imawhale staking. We will get to that at a later date. Let it be noted, that my experience with Three Amigos was largely positive, except for the point of this post, which could have been avoided by both parties involved.

I joined Three Amigos shortly after parting ways with Imawhale on December 11th of 2019 (the first game i played, as a mtt pro for them). We had initially agreed on at least one 55 being included as a part of my stake with possibilities of Sunday 109s and other 55s across US sites (where I am located). However, after leaving my former stake I was contacted by one of the bosses, saying "There seems to be some diversion in your play and we would like to see some more HHs." Let me say, I agree there was some diversion. Anyone who has played mtts professionally knows there can be long periods of undesirable deviations. Yet, the bait n switch (which I had previously experienced under Imawhale) was not cool, but what was I to do, when I wanted to eat, afterall?

http://https://gyazo.com/077e6db68af...49556638d5f791
http://https://gyazo.com/7fb821d3d0a...0e59a1fc06a1db

Keep in mind, at the time I went from playing well over a 109 abi late 2018/2019 to $15 abi with Imawhale (they had told me it was to be a 50abi) and I was in the top 5 of ALL TIME winnings on BOL. The latter is to emphasize my play wasn't the problem, although they tried to say so (fwiw two of the bosses havent played for 2 years and they havent been profitable in mtts for quite some time. Graphs can corroborate this if need be). And the former isn't to detract from the main point, only to emphasize the shadiness involved.

It is true, I would go through periods of playing amazingly nitty to insanely aggro, because nothing i did worked. Make your own assumptions here. It's not really the point of the post or this paragraph.

The point is: Just as imawhale bait n switched me by telling me I would play a $55 abi, which turned out to be a $15 abi; Three Amigos also, knowing I had already left the other stable, dropped the initial 55s included to only 33s. And so I sucked it up and grinded that for 4 months. And look, I get it. As a business you dont want to start off with higher risk/higher reward scenarios. It's a business, afterall and I don't faulth them for this mentality. But I do fault the bait n switch material, because afterall Time is Money in all financially motivated careers.

Regardless, the main point of this post is, as follows:

The accountant they have running reloads and chops is allowed to say things like this:
https://gyazo.com/6ea529bdac20a78b1fa09b68fe616225
https://gyazo.com/600cd1cffefd356ede6d9993b536ca5e
https://gyazo.com/a83e7806bfc7d31eec143c75712f7f41
https://gyazo.com/047f41e04affde62cf30bed2e1af8bce




This is, but a small sample and a small portion of what is problematic. Me, being a libertarian, allows room for people to have their own beliefs. Yet, the problem arises when me, also having a maternal line, which is Mexican, is targeted over and over and over and over with this kind of talk. And again, me being a libertarian could care less about someone's asinine opinion, but we are in this stable to make money. This is a professional venture and I have spent countless hours dealing with this man (his name is Jeremy, but I really don't even like to mention him by name other than to out him. Would like to get his last name at some point, because I will be posting to reddit/craigslist Tijuana/Rosarito) and I would like it on record exactly what kind of people these are. If people choose to do business with them, then that's their prerogative. It's also mine to say what I wish about it.

As I was saying though, someone's difference of belief is not problematic for me. When I have to spend hours and hours (not getting reloads and missing out on grinds) dealing with people who look down upon other ethnicities/races and cost you money, because they look down on you, then yes it is problematic. I am not one of those people who say "My time is important!", or, "You are wasting my time!" I am saying this negative, hateful and during many times manipulative, antagonistic behavior wasted everyone's time involved. It wasted efficiency, it ruined moods, it injected hate and venom into the group. And ultimately, it wasted the point of what we were there to do. Play get better and make some ****ing money.

I have more examples of this type of talk and I, also, dont know how to properly embed, so perhaps someone can help me or I can redo it, if I figure it out or someone tells me how.



There were many more examples of him specifically targeting Mexicans (even though he lives in Mexico, funny ikr) but unfortunately the political chat was removed after he posted lots of his nonsense. He or one of the bosses - they consistently made excuses for him and just stated it were differences of politics - scrubbed all of his manipulative, hate speech about n word this, Adolf Hitler was great, Mexicans are of low iq (targeting me repetitively).

https://gyazo.com/d59d5231a688bc9daeb6756559b259bc

One of the bosses is a long time friend (perhaps the others too) so I understand the apologetic, reconciliation on their part, but to allow it and to think it is funny is another story. It is not. https://gyazo.com/3b534f4acc4c72f97240b2bd994d0041

Let you think of it what you will. This is just my post to tell, imo, an objective occurrence of events. I have told them, because so much of my time (as well as theirs) was wasted I have started to charge them for my time. I have some money, still in my accounts and I will be as transparent as anyone likes. I will send back what is not charged, rest assured.

If you made it through this, then I'm not sure what to say lol.

*mods, I did not know where to post this, but it feels like gossip, so i did so here.

*additionally they will attempt to smear me and for good reason. They would like to deflect and not take responsibility. Yes, it is true I was a bad kid and I did some bad/questionable things in the past. I served my time in jails and prisons, but I haven't been in any trouble since. I've made new connections and do different things. Can everyone say the same?

you missed https":" in the first two links, doesnt work without manually adding

what is the point of the thread? that there is a racist in the stable?

you may feel bait and switched, but his response in the 2nd link seems extremely nice, and understanding of the situation they put you in. multiple offers to keep shopping elsewhere with no hard feelings, so i dont really get it. also offering to help you and then move up. sounds much better than throwing you into games to prey on your makeup

He had for almost an entire year done reloads in a very timely manner. Kudos to him. Until I called him out for his mexican hate speech. Then he continued with the mexican hate speech, targeting me, I assume. And for the past 2 weeks I was with them would not reload me, in a timely manner. It states in the contract/briefing to give 12 hours advanced notice and so I did.

I even set up a time with him below, so I could grind some evening mtts and sngs.
Just one example of him playing games with time and money:

https://gyazo.com/898c591d36e75fdf6c59a52a24651ebb
https://gyazo.com/81b90ec5d6a567ad797b58122fb5a97f

And then he would respond in these childish ways, over and over and over
https://gyazo.com/fd589192ebac0e5b63d784ea9a61064f

This type of thing would go on and on and on. The reload was done 2 hours later and I was not allowed to play that night, if I wanted to keep to my schedule.

Ty for the above! https help
If you read the above the bait n switch only shows the shadiness. It has nothing to do with the main point, which I stated multiple times.

Now for the main point... It's written here "Yet, the problem arises when me, also having a maternal line, which is Mexican, is targeted over and over and over and over with this kind of talk. And again, me being a libertarian could care less about someone's asinine opinion, but we are in this stable to make money. This is a professional venture and I have spent countless hours dealing with this man"

Dealing with this man over and over and being targeted because of my heritage has lost me money. Additionally, I brought this to the bosses' attention over and over and they refused to deal with it, costing everyone involved time and money. See the below post of them realizing they ****ed up.

Damage control:

https://gyazo.com/9ceecec36cab079135d32dcee7940353

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what is the point of the thread? that there is a racist in the stable?

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Let me condense the entire OP and my response to this above. There are a lot of details so I will be succinct as possible here:

The point is they have cost me and them money, because I have dealt with this ******* not reloading, wasting my time and missing out on my grinds. I have a small sum of MU around 5k and there is a small amount of money in the accounts 1.5k. I told them several weeks ago I would not be dealing with this human who chooses to do bad. They neglected to acknowledge this (while knowing his past history and his targeted hate/racism) costing everyone involved money. I told them that I would be charging him/them money for my time.
I have cleared MU several several times. That is not a problem for me, nor will it be. However, wasting your time is alright, but wasting mine and then wanting me to make you money on my time is not acceptable. Enough is enough. They will be charged for my time MJ style.

Furthermore, let this thread serve as a record of how they handled the situation, reversed positions and how they allowed that type of hatred, which was directed at several individuals (and laughed about it) be present in their group.

If you were truly bait and switched, don't you have an agreement as to what stakes you would play? If they aren't complying with the agreement, then tell them to piss off.

I was excited seeing the title of this thread as the unethical stuff stables do really should be made public like their best players ghosting deep runs, running ICM software in real time for every significant FT hand, collusion/chip dumping, ect. Disappointed to see it's nothing of substance that akins to that of a personal domestic dispute where I see a lot of ranting about being a Mexican Libertarian with maternal instincts.

F 3 amigos! I just had to see the chat scripts, its enough to see that they are unprofessional racist idiots. Who is jr and who is Jeremy?

Thank You for sharing this info.

No, No you don't get it. They tilted him. How can someone work in this climate? They are highly unprofessional idiots and racists literally.

Who is Chance and who is Jr?
https://gyazo.com/600cd1cffefd356ede6d9993b536ca5e
That is incredible. Ftheseguysbro. Glad you're out of their joke of a company.

This is embarrassing. **** off OP.

Guy is a bigot, you are no longer profitable, stable is probably not very well run. So what?

This is only embarrassing for you guys and rightfully so.
Hope the cartel finds out how you gringos tick in their country.

Yes it is embarrassing I agree.

My charts disagree with no longer being profitable, but that could be your opinion. ROI's are constantly changing.

The stable is actually quite well run, I would disagree. Aside and it's a big aside, the allowance of a personal friend to inject hate and (real) toxicity into the group. To be allowed to play manipulative games with money, after being called out on it for a year in a row. Other than that my experience was fantastic with them. As the first replier mentioned, they provide loads of material (i do have to say the material was nothing new to me) to get better and plenty of coaching opportunities (outside of the stable).

Agreed with the first sentence.

Second sentence I do not wish this upon them. I wish it to be known how they operate, yes, because my time and money was disrespect ad nauseum and only until they realized I was done playing their game did they step to and sincerely apologize.

Fwiw, growing up in a Mexican family, I have many friends who are sureños, latin kings, so telling someone or anyone associated with cartels WAS and IS
certainly NOT my intention. Only to share my opinion/and facts on the situation, the same way they were allowed to disregard my time and money.

Lol thread.

Yes JR guy seems like insensitive and quite bigoted but as stated in OPs last link in this thread its been dealt with internally which is all anything not involved in the business should expect. Additionally there is no proof that OP himself was "targeted" for being Mexican. OP seems paranoid and from his own screen shots he seems like a pain to deal with (just guess how he is in the posts he doesnt show here...)

OP claim that the stable owes him "for time wasted" is ludicrous based on the info provided.

fwiw, I hate stables.

Jeremy, I cannot remember his last name. I believe it starts with a P or a W, but I am sure it will come out. Chance I know his last name, as do many others. But yes **** them.

As I stated before, the group as a whole and the stable as a whole was professional, just this instance affected my ability and capacity to make money. Hell the effect is/was not even the problem. It was that I literally had to talk with this guy for 2 hours at time to get reload and listen to him tell me "off your meds again" and "I dealt with bipolar before" "I used to manage people like you", after he had said all of those negative, discriminatory things above about "Mexican immigrants" and "low iq" etc etc. He was using my objection and part of my lineage against me and creating an environment impossible to work in, impossible to make money in, etc etc

Ty for your awareness of the situation

Title is incredibly misleading..

Bro, it literally took one year for this to be "dealt with"
Only after I spent countless hours dealing with this guy, and telling them for the past month that I would not be working with the guy and spending hours and hours having them say and convince me "cant you just go to him for reloads?" and "this is just a difference of political opinions" did they finally step up and do the right thing. BUT ONLY, after I told them I'm leaving, I made my decision and Im going public with this.

Thats why that post is titled damage control.

And yes I think dealing with this while I could be making money elsewhere constitutes payment for my time. We all decide what our time is worth. We all decide what we sell our labor for. I decided several days ago and I told them you are being charged for my time now.

Would you like to be prohibited from your work ad nauseum, make no money and then have to deal with it afterward, all whilst making no money (over the course of a year?). And yes it may seem ludicrous to you. To me it doesnt.

Sorry to disappoint you. My opinion is that it is not. I have a part 2 of the series coming later if you would like?

Sure. I take it back. I don't want wish any harm upon them. At least nothing physical.
That's full blown Nazi talk, and I mean hateful talk.
I'm sorry you had to encounter this op.
Why not go to bbz? There are plenty of other stables.

I used to live Mexico am doing the same as you.
Heard of three amigo, thought they were cool people.
Never crossed my mind that they are a Nazi staple though.

No the issue is that we spoke in chat and it was said that it were to be 33s including the ignition 55 100% as well as "bol is meh.. acr is okay.. we will have to look" concerning 55s to playing no 55s for 4 months, then after I had already left the other stable did they say "um guess we gotta look at some more HHs" and the 2 guys who havent played mtts professionally for many years said na only 33s bro. Which btw they used a 50k hand sample to make their decision on, which is lol

But i agreed and so i dont care about that, other than to show imo what constitutes shadiness. I care that they wasted a bunch of my time and are continuing to take up all of our time because of their inability to work professionally and efficiently when i first brought this to their attention

Sorry this bothers you, but the truth is they straight shoot (aside from some things I would consider minor, that others would def object to). Perhaps I could interest you in database sharing?

And hell if there parents didn't raise them, somebody has to

After this I doubt there will be any stables in my future
And yes they were cool, for the most part. And lol I wouldnt describe them as a Nazi stable. I would describe the one guy who manages money as a full blown Nazi who relishes his position and does some quite unscrupulous things because of it. And because he controls the money he has been allowed to manipulate people's time and their earning potential by extension.

I meant stables. Thanks for the infos and gl. They will take you! Trust me

Dude you havent posted a single proof that they didnt let you play... You posted one example where you whined that he didnt transfer money on time and he answered he had been busy...

If it is true that they breached your contract (you had a contract, right?) by consistently not transferring you money (not just being late one time) and thus leaving you unable to play and wasting your time, then you obviously have a case.

But right now its just your word and most of your original post is about outing the guy for being racist, not about giving us an understandable timeline of how they broke your staking agreement.