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Also, maybe you're just a bad coach. After adjusting my game I am constantly winning.

And I didn't trick you into believing I was be on NL50, I proved that to you before we started.

https://gyazo.com/99b6bb6f6c16c5d38c44363eaac431b6

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06-25-2019 , 03:02 PM

#27

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by Moneyfold13

No he didn't!
He was kind of freerolling, planning to keep the deposit all the way but still hoping for me to turn profitable.

the only one who freerolled coaching ( whether bad or not, i have proven students that went from 25nl to 100nl cause their IQ is higher than urs )
is you

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06-25-2019 , 03:03 PM

#28

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

So, did you bring up the volume issues at any point before you decided to seize the deposit? Or is that simply your ex-post rationalization for keeping the money?

i didnt, cause he kept ranting about his bad RL situation and financial problems
that im not gonna outline here as noone cares.
That said its still not ok to break a term that was initially agreed on ( 3 months )

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06-25-2019 , 03:10 PM

#29

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by Moneyfold13

Thanks for merging and sorry for double post.

I admit not being able to play 50k a month but everything else is made up, so again my full argumentation:

- I couldn't play the planned volume from the beginning and it was never brought up for months that this would be a break of contract

- I never played offstake as claimed

- I didn't switch to MTTs as claimed

- All assumptions about nitting or commitment are false

- Contract was mutually cancelled after there was no profit zone possible anymore

its good u admit it, cause that one reason is enough for me to justify.

playing mtts / SNGs and going missing for weeks / months i assumed you just didnt care anymore

yes you were a 42 wwsf nit with 58 Won at showdown all along, and 22 vpip on top of that LOL way to go bro i nvr taught you to nit it down.

yes there was no profit possible, so i keep the deposit any problems with that
im sure a cfp works like that

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06-25-2019 , 05:33 PM

#30

PokerPlayingGamble

Dispute Unresolved

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4,669

Maybe you guys should change the name of your program to "coaching for deposits" because that seems to be your main revenue source.

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06-25-2019 , 05:38 PM

#31

yamu

banned

Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 45

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

Maybe you guys should change the name of your program to "coaching for deposits" because that seems to be your main revenue source.

It is, if the student doesn't progress, learn and put in the required volume in order to make money.

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06-25-2019 , 05:41 PM

#32

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

Maybe you guys should change the name of your program to "coaching for deposits" because that seems to be your main revenue source.

it just so happens that i have winning students that play 100NL and actually do win in my program, but i dont wanna derail the thread pokerplayinggamble

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06-25-2019 , 05:46 PM

#33

PokerPlayingGamble

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Originally Posted by Kanaxis

it just so happens that i have winning students that play 100NL and actually do win in my program, but i dont wanna derail the thread pokerplayinggamble

Great, then you don't need to steal this poor guy's deposit.

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06-25-2019 , 06:05 PM

#34

yamu

banned

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

Great, then you don't need to steal this poor guy's deposit.

I mean, using the word steal is just straight up libel. He didn't once 'steal' money, you're just being a nuisence and you're the type of person to get hit with big fines IRL because you don't read clauses.

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06-25-2019 , 06:05 PM

#35

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

Great, then you don't need to steal this poor guy's deposit.

i dont consider this a steal, unless the general consensus ( which i am waiting for )agrees on it being a scam i wont send it back even if it was for a small amount as i feel like ive been screwed over in this deal.

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06-25-2019 , 07:14 PM

#36

TreadLightly

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,709

What is the point in a cash game stake to make a deposit even ? Either the trust is there or it isn't, random small # of buyins on deposit won't change that. How much is this amount for I thought I saw $100 but can't find it now, if its a small amount why is this thread still going on months later of you guys arguing back and forth, it's clearly bad for business on both sides

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06-25-2019 , 07:24 PM

#37

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

Because bobo doesnt want to delete it

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06-26-2019 , 02:24 PM

#38

Moneyfold13

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 34

Yes, it's 100$.

And the fact that Kanaxis doesn't even reply to my arguments makes it clear they are valid. Your only argument remains the lower volume and again: Why didn't you ever tell me that this is breaking the deal and kept me on for months?

If your grinding and coaching business is going so well, just give me my money back and don't risk your reputation. Objectively opinions here are super mixed, so I guess we are both right and wrong...

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06-27-2019 , 04:56 AM

#39

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by Moneyfold13

I tried to quote and reply to every one of your arguments, maybe the context got lost while flaming you.
Let me know those again and ill reply in a more human way.

My grinding and coaching business has nothing to do with this dispute, just like the amount of money i ' scammed ' off of you ( again im waiting for a general consensus here ).
I dont think im just gonna let you screw me over like this and get away with it
To be fair ive received some more requests thanks to publicity i dont hate it

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06-28-2019 , 04:28 PM

#40

Moneyfold13

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 34

Omg you're such a bull****ter it's ridiculous.

How about you admit lying about me playing offstake?

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06-28-2019 , 04:40 PM

#41

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

I remember agreeing to start 50nl. But then you lost confidence and played 25zoom instead and from there just rocked the minus 1bb winrate so our initial agreement playing 50nl was off as well.

Also you told me you would take a break and play mtts / sngs , and coincidentally that is when you went on a 1-2 month break, i request audits of what happened before i send you any money back

Is anyone gonna contribute to this thread already?
I legit have 0 problems shipping this poor moron his money back if it is the general consensus

Last edited by Kanaxis; 06-28-2019 at 04:52 PM.

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06-28-2019 , 05:05 PM

#42

Kizzah

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 514

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Originally Posted by Moneyfold13

Your only argument remains the lower volume

... that's because the cfp deal revolves around the volume played. and you didn't play enough. not sure what the point of this whole thread is.

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06-28-2019 , 07:39 PM

#43

Moneyfold13

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 34

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Originally Posted by Kanaxis

We never agreed on starting on NL50, please deliver proof. As I never went profitable I obviously didn't increase the stakes.

Going on break was with your approval, I had already offered you to terminate the deal at that point because I didn't wanna waste your time. But obviously that included getting back my deposit.

I played SNGs for like 2 or 3 days just to see how profitable it is. With your approval!

Tell me what kind of proof you want that I didn't switch to tournaments and I'll send it.

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06-28-2019 , 08:07 PM

#44

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

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Originally Posted by Moneyfold13

Going on break was with your approval, I had already offered you to terminate the deal at that point because I didn't wanna waste your time. But obviously that included getting back my deposit.

i dont remember this, and id never pay the deposit back in case u quit, because thats the purpose of it my 80 iq buddy

Anyways im done responding to your messages, you have a good chance getting your deposit back though if someone here will back up your situation, so far i see no responses though so gl

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06-29-2019 , 08:38 PM

#45

Moneyfold13

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 34

Well, how about you keep the money and shove it up your ass.

And don't worry about my real life, I'm chilling in the Caribbean with my hot wife and my company is taking off. (Check me out on facebook, you know my real name). Guess my 80 iq brought me there. You're probably still jerking off to anime in your basement.

I forgot about this crap a long time ago, still happy I found this thread eventually so now people know you're an *******. If you like that kind of "publicity", congrats.

fu and have a nice life.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-04-2019 at 09:26 PM.

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07-03-2019 , 03:41 PM

#46

Kanaxis

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 496

#resolved, please delete my private information @Bobo, thanks

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07-04-2019 , 01:19 PM

#47

Grothendieck

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 88

Very concerning behavior from a so-called coach. I will tell others to stay away from this scammer.

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