Question for the MP:
I initially paid OP via Paypal, but he's refusing to payout via paypal; his reason was "paypal is not a standard method for sending funds". Is it considered acceptable/normal for a player to refuse to payout via the method of accepted payment?

I told him up front that I could only deal via PP & Venmo. OP asked to payout via Stars, which I can't take (in a state with segregated player pool).

ur the only person thats actually said anything thats true and correct.
however circumstances do occur which may or may not prevent someone from adhering to standard moral practices when they have investors.
Certain expectant events can occur which may affect someones state of mind and discourage them from their general movements. I had zero obligations to speak to OP, however as a player I understand that its either a standard gesture to keep investors knowledgeable of their progress in tournament(s). Prompt returns are also either a general moral obligation or unless specifically stated.. I completely agree that the amount is not really relevant. But it does have some relevancy It is like saying someone with a $1 investment should still find it necessary to invest 2 hrs of their time making paranoid responses on a thread to chase this money. Clearly that notion in nonsensical.
If I had morally done something proven to be wrong then maybe it is in other peoples business, however I did not break any agreements. I quite literally responded to OP 1-2 days later than stated. Most poker players showat least some leniency in time espcially if a genuine reason as to why something was delayed is given.
Instead OP decided on his own accord to make paronoid responses on a public thread, simply because he knew absolutely no one that knew me or could contact me. Op 100 percent had responsibility in that after his investment he did not communicate as to what methods i can be contacted on. He assumed that I was 100 percent contactable via skype (ONE communication method). If he or anyone is very methodical or pessimistic in poker investments, I am sure they would know inadavnce of at least more than one method of communication. Generally I create a group chat, however did not this time. OP was the only person that I was not in contact with and this has at least part responsibility.

CSB, keep grinding the 2plus 2 forums

i wasnt

i made one rant with a few expletives directed toward one person an done person only. Someone like him, pubicly exaggerating an issue and escalating is unnecessarily touched a nerve. My actions are not any worse than his, yet your opinion or other may differ. In summary it is completely ridiculous that I have had to justify anything here. Whilst in a perfect world I could have made sure that Op was communicated to I can only be diplomatic and agree that his non actions or my non actions have equal responsibility. end of discussion and thread

No. That's just delusional.
It is not "completely ridiculous" that you are expected to justify anything. People will just never invest in you again if you are unreliable and/or untrustworthy, and investors look for someone who is actually reliable prior to buying, it is another factor for buying.
You didn't stick to your word at almost any point here.
Your actions are worse than his. His are reasonable, given that you were showing to be unreliable.
Your ranting post is very clearly not the only misstep you made here.

Also, OP means Opening Poster/Opening Post. Therefore you are OP.

As charming off the table as on I see Smiley..

You are selling large buyin mtt's and you come across so badly. Presumably you will want to sell to these in future yet as someone said you're hardly giving a warm n fuzzy vibe for any potential investors that read this.

I recall a while ago after the scoop NLO8 prog 2k you accidently forgot include a bounty which was later spotted by an investor. Yes could have been a mistake but judging by this probably not.

And no I don't stalk your threads. Just keep an eye on the marketplace and threads that get a lot of posts often have something interesting in em.

Based on attitude, lack of respect towards investors, and delusional mindset of roles/responsibilities in a staking agreement... I will never take this person .01.

Hope this gets sorted.

Very professional here. No way i would invest in you after seeing this. If you don't wan't to update investors or pay back funds in a timely manner i suggest you don't sell action in the future and pay all your buyins yourself. Way i see it if people are taking a chance on me and allowing me to play higher buyins than i would play with 100% of myself i owe them good communication and quick payouts.

Love to know what these multitude of reasons are for lack of communication. I was there myself and the metro has full 3g coverage i was impressed with the infrastructure.

Saying he should of reached out to someone else to contact you is probably the funniest thing you said tbh.

This is a very classy and reasonable response, respect. Obviously 100% right too.

Unbelievable from OP

#38 is just insane come on.

Payment received; all issues now resolved.

In short I have been unreliable a few times in the past. I'll admit this. I have noticed that some of these threads here can escalate fast and attract unwanted viewers (in my case). I am an honest person but have made a few mistakes in the past.
However, the one thing I am not, is dishonest. I made some impulsive responses without realising the enormity of potential viewers or how it may come across . I exaggerated my responses unnecessarily. I spoke to jebedia and we spoke maturely and came to some sense of mutual understanding of he situation.
A dishonest image is one almost irreversible, but I will endeavour to show I have gained responsibility and maturity especially if I want people to trust me with my behaviour .
The last issue I will attend to is billygstar. One this I won't have any part of or become a victim of, is having someone try and discredit me out of either jealousy or hate. I'll quote and extend so it is properly referenced .



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Didn't show lack of respect . Made brash statements towards one person .
We have more than settled .
I've seen u like to talk a lot . Doesn't seem like much his very constructive.
I think it's rather disrespectful to choose such harsh words. I had enough criticism before with actual reasonable responses .
You've just chimed in with zero purpose .


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Yeah I get you would t stalk me. I'm not on here everyday like u.
Yeah this has some interesting non sense which I created to my own demise
However, as previously stated I will not have some weasel try and discredit my character in an untrue way. Under what circumstance would you have a right to try and discredit someone publicly over something which did not personally involve you OR have permission to vent publicly?
I suggest you now have the person I. Question pm me cause I don't know who it is your talking about.
The very fact you have tried to make an assumption about my character in respects to trust is absolutely disgusting and is a testament to who you are and known to be online. You are widely regarded as a horrible small stakes reg. less poker forum lies and dribble may help your non career.





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Sorry I get what your saying . But at no point did I say I don't want to pay back investors in a timely manner nor communicate with during.
Probably would have been efficient enough for jebodiah to at least acknowledge that some of my reasons were satisfactory but I might as well say here.
I busted the national the same day the terrorist attack occurred . That night I left my backpack I. The taxi on way to apartment which includes my passport and gathers to my phone and laptop and other valuables.
Clearly distressed and anxious I did not play any tourneys for a few days .
I spent unwanted time trying to recover these items to no avail . Time then had to be allocated for an emergency passport in amongst the chaos. Don't really want to elaborate but that's just a bit.
Anyway in the past I have always prioritised keeping investors knowledgable about progress/ results . I am truthful and made some small mistakes before. It's in investors best interests to know the player they are investing in is reliable and has a good record of all the required trust/reliability. I accept this. I would not expect anyone to invest in me unless I have mended/shown improvements in my attitude (for future reference) . I don't think it's fair to say you would straight up 'not invest in me'. I understand your point of view. It's in my interest to be truthful and learn from my actions . I appreciate your input and concerns and others.
Billygstar you need no introduction.



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Mostly right David .
Yes stupid in general and I've apologised.
38 completely agree.


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No, what is disgusting is how disrespectful you are with other peoples money and how you are talking to people ITT. You're a ****ing cretin I doubt anyone will be wanting to invest in your poker any time soon.

Yeah, like you know how I am widely regarded in poker. I am a mid stakes, low volume mtt player so I doubt I am regarded at all.

I only really play Omaha hi/lo and mix games these days and have been a winning player for years and continue to have 100+ ROI in these games so I doubt I am regarded as horrible unless by a spiteful reg like yourself.

I also play mid and high stakes from time to time and have a higher avg buyin than you.

You're right about one thing though. Poker is a non career as I have been a Data Architect for many years with career breaks travelling ad playing poker. Funny how you act so high and mighty in pretty much everything you say. You do come across as pretty uneducated though and no idea how to act in situations. Get some self awareness imo.

Bye tw at....

Glad you were responsive. Let me be more "constructive" for you. If you are a stakee, you are playing a game with someone else's funds. This comes with an understanding that a certain moderate level of rational, non-abrasive communication will occur during agreed upon period of time. And if by chance there are complications, which there appeared to be, it isthe responsibility of the stakee to do anything in their power to make an effort (even if brief) to post a message with some clear (timeline/funds), apologetic, and timely response.

Sorry if I wasnt as constructive last time. I really expected that you understood that. And when you posted your abrasive comment, I wanted to take time as a marketplace regular to let you know I wouldnt be interested in buying future pieces based on you behavior in this thread... even if you ran like Fedor.

Billy g star. The gimp from Thailand . Grinds poker forums and crushes life


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Not from Thailand Captain Douchebag, from Scotland. I have lived in a few places whether it be work or w/e playing poker in Thailand for a few years. You seem to have a huge issue with this has that's all you seem to harp on about when you see me at a poker table lolz

You seem to have been playing micros for 10 years prolly in some basement in the Western Suburbs or Wollongong.

Good luck though with everything and with this great way you have about you with people you surely cant fail.

CSB
Thailand reference is you only affording to play poker from a developing or undeveloped country
Then when you can't afford to live in that scenario, you move to a developed country and get another job .
You're wrong about your assumptions too.
Please don't reply anymore gimp


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Nope I wanted to leave Thailand for other reasons. This was 2 years ago and your still banging on about it lol.

I have mostly worked in a similar industry for years and took a few years out to travel and play poker which I did.

Carry on being a try hard douchebag and good luck getting staked again. Why the **** anyone would give you money to play 2k O8's is pretty lol though as you are pretty terrible.

As someone with no prior affiliation to anyone in this thread, OP comes across as hugely entitled and speaks in very disrespectful and condescending tone.
Glad to see this got sorted. Hopefully OP will be able to do some self reflection at some point and see reality. IMO, The only person ITT, who's hurt his "reputation" in any lasting manner, is himself.

PaulSmiley is the type of guy who rages in the chatbox when he loses a pot online... I should know because i've trolled him frequently.

Glad to see you're still a wonderful human being ROFL.