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11-11-2018 , 07:07 AM

miguelin43

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

Hi guys

V is 46/23 over 55 hands , dont remember much about him

I thought with this 1/3 bet i could see a cheap showdown as (i thought) any A or even 8 would just call (or even fold !!)....were i just unlucky or is my line of thinking plainly wrong? ; sooooo should i have tried to bet bigger?

Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 9,585 (95.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 8,642 (86.4 bb)
UTG+1: 9,970 (99.7 bb)
UTG+2: 9,052 (90.5 bb)
MP1: 15,228 (152.3 bb)
MP2: 7,353 (73.5 bb)
MP3: 9,990 (99.9 bb)
CO: 5,480 (54.8 bb)
BTN: 19,488 (194.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

2 folds, MP1 raises to 200, 2 folds, CO calls 200, 2 folds, Hero calls 100

Flop: (740) A

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets 370, Hero calls 370, MP1 folds

Turn: (1,480) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (1,480) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets 478, CO raises to 1,696, Hero folds

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11-11-2018 , 07:39 AM

oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

I think you need to be clear how weak your hand is by the river - we can't value bet - we can check/decide sometimes catching a bluff - A bigger bet wold be a bluff trying to fold out an 8 or low flush but I would rather check

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11-11-2018 , 08:59 AM

cizixap

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

after checking turn CO's range is like sooted aces, nuts flushes and several monsters like 88, A8s, T8s, TT. our hand is hopeless. id just x/f on the river

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11-11-2018 , 09:22 PM

wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

river bet is pointless, just check and decide depending on sizing, guy is 46% vpip so I proly have a hard time folding as he does show up with bluffs

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11-12-2018 , 03:58 PM

miguelin43

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

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Originally Posted by cizixap

after checking turn CO's range is like sooted aces, nuts flushes and several monsters like 88, A8s, T8s, TT. our hand is hopeless. id just x/f on the river

UUmm i dont agree completely with your range , he can have some busted QJ or T9...and if you think he calls with A8 why not with a better hand like baby Ace (A2-A5)?

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

river bet is pointless, just check and decide depending on sizing, guy is 46% vpip so I proly have a hard time folding as he does show up with bluffs

For once guys i dont follow you

You all say we should c/c depending on size but then...are we not allowing villain to set the prize for the showdown that he wants? My thought was "i am not going to pay more than 1/3 to see a showdown because perhaps i am good like 25% of the time" but if i check he can bluff me with far a bigger bet n0?

So when he raises i know i am beaten and it "only" cost me that 1/3 bet....i suppose that you could say that if i fold i win that 1/3 too lol

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11-12-2018 , 07:50 PM

wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

When you check you allow him to bluff his entire range that gets to the river like this and to play the street for a maximum one bet, when you bet you shut down all worse hands that might decide to bluff if it was checked to and put yourself in a position to be raised.

River bet achieves nothings, it is neither for value or a bluff and looks exactly like what it is, a weak blocking / info bet, if v is good he ca very easy pounce on this weakness

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11-12-2018 , 08:06 PM

jl121

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 224

Man that is like the nut low runout for your hand. IDK, you don't really have much SDV here, I x/f river for any bet bigger than, IDK, let's say 300 chips. I think he can bluff 1/7 times, and along the way he'll mix in lots of rive checks w/ his own air and essentially give you a massive gift by letting you showdown for free.

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11-12-2018 , 11:59 PM

Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,807

Check river and decide from there. What are you hoping to achieve with such a tiny bet on the river, if you are going to bluff at it you need to bet big.

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11-13-2018 , 10:39 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

Squeeze pre, A9o is a terrible hand to play multiway OOP.

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