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What street was played the worst?

View Poll Results: What street was the worst?

Preflop

1 6.25%

Flop

0 0%

Turn

6 37.50%

River

9 56.25%

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08-11-2008 , 06:45 PM

RandomGuy2

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Well?

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t9680
MP2: t2090
CO: t5360
BTN: t1415
Hero (SB): t5478
BB: t5650
UTG: t32683
UTG+1: t3529

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 6

UTG calls t250, UTG+1 calls t250, 4 folds, Hero calls t125, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) 9

(4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t500, UTG+1 calls t500, Hero calls t500, BB folds

Turn: (t2700) 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t1250, Hero calls t1250, UTG folds

River: (t5200) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t1504 all in, Hero calls t1504

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08-11-2008 , 07:05 PM

areaman

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i voted for turn and then i relooked at the stacksizes and decided it was the flop....this is a sick nasty spot.

flop youre getting such killer odds its hard to fold, its hard to raise into a 3 way pot, but i really want to. all options are pure ****.

anyways, i think you should probably just fold on the turn.

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08-11-2008 , 07:08 PM

sopoRific

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You're getting the immediate pot odds to call the flop, and reraising probably won't get both UTG and UTG+1, so calling looks best.

UTG+1 has a pot-sized bet left, so pushing the turn is probably better if you intend to call a blank river. You'll have more equity if you're behind, and you might UTG off a better flush draw or a hand like T8.

So I guess I'll vote "turn."

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08-11-2008 , 07:08 PM

Sherman

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I voted river b/c you beat nothing and people usually don't call a flop bet then take over the betting lead on the turn and move the last of their tiny chip stack in on the river in a multiway pot with air.

Sherman

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08-11-2008 , 07:29 PM

JARID

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,215

Randomguy2,

Probably time to be folding on the turn. River is kind of a bummer too, but you got there by calling the turn so yea...I vote turn.

PF and flp are fine imo.

Jarid

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08-11-2008 , 07:34 PM

JoeyJoJo Shabadu

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Definately not the turn as you're getting odds here with 14 outs. I'm assuming 2P is good. Even 11 outs is close enough to call.

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08-11-2008 , 07:44 PM

RandomGuy2

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Not to high jack the abuse (because this went horribly, horribly wrong), but with a pair + FD + 3-1 odds means I need to call the turn, right? I am 23.9% to flush or trip my 4s (11 outs, and I need 24% equity to call). Am I missing something when you say to fold the turn?

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08-11-2008 , 07:45 PM

areaman

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i think he needs more like 3.5:1 to call on the turn to be mathmatically correct....is my math wrong?
so i dont think hes getting proper pot odds on the turn.

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08-11-2008 , 07:46 PM

areaman

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy2

im terrible at math!!!!1111 please xplain more.

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08-11-2008 , 07:50 PM

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RandomGuy2

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3.5 - 1 is to hit my flush, but I also have a pair. So, almost all of the time if I hit trip 4s I will have the best hand and most of the time if I hit a 6 for 2 pair. SO that 9+2+3 outs out of 46 cards, and villain is giving me odds for 11 outs (which I think averaged over everything villain can have I have).

The problem is the RIO I gave myself by feeling completely pot committed on the river with my unimproved crappy pair.

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08-11-2008 , 07:53 PM

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sopoRific

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy2

Are you going to fold the river unimproved? Otherwise you should consider your pot odds calling this bet and the next bet.

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08-11-2008 , 07:56 PM

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RandomGuy2

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Originally Posted by sopoRific

Are you going to fold the river unimproved? Otherwise you should consider your pot odds calling this bet and the next bet.

Yeah, if I am calling the river unimproved I don't have the odds to call, and I did call the river unimproved! I didn't fully comprehend just how pot committed I would feel on the river when making my turn decision.

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08-11-2008 , 10:57 PM

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JARID

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy2

No, you are correct. I posted quickly when I was at work and didn't factor in the equity you get by pairing your 4, which is a lot.

You could feasibly have as many as 14 outs, but I would safely discount some of those because as you have stated some of the time you run into a better two pair or a set. Even still you have 24-27% equity depending on the ranges you assign.

It does lead to an interesting conundrum on the river because is at least some of the time villian donking it up with a better flush draw that you pulled ahead of by pairing your 4?

Jarid

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